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A Beijing think tank offered a frank review of China’s technological weaknesses. Then the report disappeared

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Ok. By building infrastructure, China has become hub of research. Congratulations. We, in India too built very fast infrastructure at a very fast rate but we don't consider it to be R&D.
India and fast does not rhyme dude. Or do you mean Indian toilets? Lol
 
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Brutal reality check for our resident Chinese :lol:

Wait for NY Times to publish an article saying the US is a shitty country (that's true, it really is, even compared with relatively poor countries like Thailand or Malaysia) and the US needs to change or adopt the Chinese political model or some other model, otherwise it will collapse.

within 1 day, I guess, the office will be closed, the journalist will be bombed with life threatening mails or phones and riots will appear all over the US. That is the scenario we all can imagine.

My own experience in last 15 years, as my accounts in The Economist, The Guardian, BusinessWeek (now closed) etc. have been blocked and my comments were deleted just by posting comments saying, very politely, that Chinese and Soviet political systems has its own good points.
 
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America can "semi-conductor" it's arguments away at China, till the cows come home. The reality check .... it is America sitting on $30 trillion debt (officially disclosed, actual figures puts the debt at $200 trillion), not China.

And if we were being frank here, then it is the West, not China nor Russia who are desperate for war. It isn't China not Russia that has bombed, invaded, occupied other countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria over the last 30 years ... it's the West!

So the West can keep fooling itself into believing that it will still remain dominant over the world for the next century. It isn't, every statistic and historical record indicates that the West is either declining or if it fights to remain in power, a dramatic collapse will occur.
 
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Its not surprising that China is still behind the West in many fields of sciences and tehnology.
After all it was a underdeveloped country until recently. While the west has the momentum/intertia from past 200 years of technologial research and developments.

What is interesting is how fast China is closing the gap field after field, and in fact surpassing in many important fields.
I have tried many times to tell my colleagues to learn from China and the way its central goverment drive its developments policies. But often i am met with the ususal arrogant phrases about China dont have freedom and this and that. The problem for Europe is that, it dosent really matter how a nation reach its goals. Its the results that matter.

If you can afford the luxury of belittling China then good, but IMO the west cannot afford this. Because one day in a not so distant future, we could have a China that is technologically superior in every field and that day nobody will care if its achieved by means we dont disagree with.
 
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All the report said was the tech areas China is not yet self-sufficient in.

Literally everyone knows these few areas and have been addressed in ‘Made In China 2025’.

Only one that need to come back to reality is your delusions about Tesla.

Chinese tech is generally considered weak in comparison to US ones.

Its not surprising that China is still behind the West in many fields of sciences and tehnology.
After all it was a underdeveloped country until recently. While the west has the momentum/intertia from past 200 years of technologial research and developments.

What is interesting is how fast China is closing the gap field after field, and in fact surpassing in many important fields.
I have tried many times to tell my colleagues to learn from China and the way its central goverment drive its developments policies. But often i am met with the ususal arrogant phrases about China dont have freedom and this and that. The problem for Europe is that, it dosent really matter how a nation reach its goals. Its the results that matter.

If you can afford the luxury of belittling China then good, but IMO the west cannot afford this. Because one day in a not so distant future, we could have a China that is technologically superior in every field and that day nobody will care if its achieved by means we dont disagree with.

It's also because of an excessive emphasis on replicating western tech, espionage etc. In the US people don't 'patent' because they want to show how many more patents they have in comparison to other countries. They do it protect true innovation that might make them a lot of money. China- too obsessed with image produces lots of frivolous papers and patents to show numbers. This diverts attention from true innovation that could have resulted in long term financial benifits.
 
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All the report said was the tech areas China is not yet self-sufficient in.

Literally everyone knows these few areas and have been addressed in ‘Made In China 2025’.

Only one that need to come back to reality is your delusions about Tesla.


Summing up, China is “following [the United States] in most fields, running side by side in a few, and leading in very few,” the authors write.


Nuff said….
 
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Summing up, China is “following [the United States] in most fields, running side by side in a few, and leading in very few,” the authors write.


Nuff said….
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The report also notes that China still spends much less on basic research than the United States, both in terms of absolute amount and as a proportion of total R&D funding.
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China resumes R&D push with record US$441b outlay in 2021​

  • Beijing has put ‘new breakthroughs in original innovation’ back on the fast track after Covid-19 dip, National Bureau of Statistics official tells People’s Daily
  • Areas receiving the biggest support included ‘space exploration, nuclear physics, quantum science and biological engineering’

Stephen Chen
Stephen Chen in Beijing
Published: 9:00pm, 9 Feb, 2022
Funding for scientific research and technological development had dropped  in 2020 as China  battled Covid-19 disruptions. Photo: Shutterstock

Funding for scientific research and technological development had dropped in 2020 as China battled Covid-19 disruptions. Photo: Shutterstock

China spent a record 2.79 trillion yuan (US$441.3 billion) on research and development last year, an increase of more than 14 per cent over 2020 – when nationwide lockdowns to contain the coronavirus pandemic saw the country post its lowest GDP growth in decades.

The R&D spending growth rate in 2021 was more than 40 per cent higher than in the previous year, China’s National Bureau of Statistics said in releasing the data.
Beijing’s financial support for scientific research and technological development had dropped in 2020 as the country battled Covid-19 disruptions, though businesses kept the R&D growth rate ticking over to reach 10 per cent, the bureau said.

However, the budget for basic science research projects that depended heavily on government support were mostly frozen or cut, according to some scientists involved in such ventures.

Zhang Qilong, a statistician at the bureau’s society, science and culture department, said government funding for basic science increased more than 15 per cent in 2021. This suggested that Beijing’s support for “new breakthroughs in original innovation” was back on the fast track, he told Chinese state media.

The areas receiving the biggest support included “space exploration, nuclear physics, quantum science and biological engineering”, Zhang told People’s Daily in a report published on Wednesday.

The government plans to launch new policies to further stimulate society’s overall R&D commitments, according to Zhang.

This is because, “when compared with the world’s scientific and technological powers, our country’s R&D investment is still insufficient in terms of scale, structure and efficiency”, he told the newspaper, which is the official mouthpiece of China’s ruling Communist Party.

In 2019, R&D spending by the US government, businesses and universities totalled US$667 billion, or more than 3 per cent of America’s GDP, putting it in ninth place in the global R&D intensity ranking by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).

China was in 14th place, with corresponding expenditure the same year at US$346 billion.

Last year, China rose two places to 12th on the OECD ranking, with R&D expenditure hitting a new high of 2.44 per cent of GDP.

Zhang said Beijing would mainly focus on subsidies and tax incentives to boost R&D expenditure. Chinese companies that contribute more than 70 per cent to the country’s total R&D spending would enjoy tax deductions and direct government subsidies for research activities, he said.

Government subsidies induced more than six times as much R&D investments by listed Chinese companies, a study published in the domestic peer-reviewed Business and Economy journal last year found.

However, lead author Liu Mingxu, professor at the management school of the Chengdu University of Information Technology, and colleagues also found that the firms’ increasing dependency on the government caused their investments to fluctuate dramatically in tune with policy changes.

R&D stimulation policies are also increasingly driving Chinese companies to appoint former officials with government connections as senior executives, in hopes of securing more funding, according to recent studies by Chinese economists.

These R&D “lobbyists” had played a positive role in helping Chinese companies achieve technological advancement, especially in less-developed regions such as western China, but their close ties with the government also increased the risk of corruption and illegal transfer of benefits, the researchers warned.
 
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An edge in AI is enough for china to fly past the US. Its just a matter of time when the chinese lead in AI will makeup for rest of the lag.
 
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An edge in AI is enough for china to fly past the US. Its just a matter of time when the chinese lead in AI will makeup for rest of the lag.

AI is just a part of it.

China is still a developing country. With still a lot of growing to do. It is basically a teenager to the established 50-year-old US guy.

But this Chinese teenager already has a world class HSR system.

He already has his own space station while US shares an old one with a bunch of other people.

He also launched more space missions than the US.

And he writes more patents every year than the US.

If China is already like this now then wait and see what happens when he's in his twenties! That rich old man is trying everything to stop him now because he knows what would happen in the future. lol
 
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Summing up, China is “following [the United States] in most fields, running side by side in a few, and leading in very few,” the authors write.


Nuff said….
Hell I am. Happy with number 2 man and leading in a few. Come on its all li3s, we all making plastic toys man..... We are poor farmers onleeeee

AI is just a part of it.

China is still a developing country. With still a lot of growing to do. It is basically a teenager to the established 50-year-old US guy.

But this Chinese teenager already has a world class HSR system.

He already has his own space station while US shares an old one with a bunch of other people.

He also launched more space missions than the US.

And he writes more patents every year than the US.

If China is already like this now then wait and see what happens when he's in his twenties! That rich old man is trying everything to stop him now because he knows what would happen in the future. lol
Dont forget that old man is an angry white man with a MAGA cap, addicted to fentanyl supplied by the chinaman. Lol
 
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