96 Gripens To Be Indigenously Manufactured If It Bags IAF’s Mega Fighter Jet Contract

[A.P. Richelieu]

Economy was Good , Its Better Now. The Reason The Deal was NOT signed was becuase The Then Govt. was FORCING Dassault to take full gurantee of Jets manufactured by HAL. Which they couldn't.

It was NEVER about Money. It was a Corrupt Govt. Deciding not to sign since Their conditions were not met.

I guess Rafale-M was specifically designed for carriers.. No ?

Rafale M was designed for carriers with larger elevators.
The new Indian carrier was designed for LCA and MiG-29 which both have wing spans smaller than 8 meters. The elevators are 10 meters, giving a margin of 1 meter on each side.
The Rafale wingspan is more than 10 meters. They will not fit, and they do not have folding wings. Redesigning with folding wings will not work due to the material in the wing.
Removable wingtips takes 15 minutes to remove, and another 15 minutes to attach.

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

Economy was Good , Its Better Now. The Reason The Deal was NOT signed was becuase The Then Govt. was FORCING Dassault to take full gurantee of Jets manufactured by HAL. Which they couldn't.

It was NEVER about Money. It was a Corrupt Govt. Deciding not to sign since Their conditions were not met.

I guess Rafale-M was specifically designed for carriers.. No ?

But not for Indian carriers. The lifts was designed for Mig 29K specs. We were supposed to order 45 + 45Mig 29K's. BUt bad experience with them has stalled Navy's interest in more birds. Now INS Viky needs 30 ac on its carriers at all times and 15 in shore for maintainence. INS Vikrant is now basically an empty carrier without new fighters since the new 45 ac for Migs never materialized. Navy is looking at a broad problem now.

A solution would have been to buy the rights of Mig 29K and modified it by ourselves. But now we will be sharing 45migs with 2 carriers with both under capacity. That's a problem right now.

 

[GURU DUTT]

india still wont buy this peoce of junk better buy more arfale F4 or make LCA MK1A or better still invest in F35 after buying a couple of squads of F16s but forget this junk after what SAAB did in early 2000sagainst indian intersts

 

[Sine Nomine]

after what SAAB did in early 2000sagainst indian intersts

What they did?

 

[HRK]

What they did?

Sold SAAB-2000 to Pakistan ....

 

[Awan68]

india still wont buy this peoce of junk better buy more arfale F4 or make LCA MK1A or better still invest in F35 after buying a couple of squads of F16s but forget this junk after what SAAB did in early 2000sagainst indian intersts

Gripen is junk but Lca is super duper

 

[Sine Nomine]

Sold SAAB-2000 to Pakistan ....

But if i am not wrong they have sold us again.

 

[HRK]

But if i am not wrong they have sold us again.

yes .....

 

[GURU DUTT]

Gripen is junk but Lca is super duper

Gripen is junk cause its made by parts supplied by more than 18 nations that is the reason we did not took eurofighter ... better invest in F16 when grippen NG and F16 BLK 70/72 are of same proce but BLK70/72 is ready but if all goes well as planned Grippen NG "will be ready by 2022" so why weight till then better invest that money in either Rafale F4 or if F35 is avilable in F35 cause as mass production of it is going to increase its price is coming lower and already its on par with rafale F4 ....

as for LCA MK1A with Israeli GaN based AESA radar & GaN based Unified EW+ECM and avionics suite & 8222 jammer pods tere is nothing at least in south asia except rafale maybe that can fight MK1A one on one not even PAF BLK52s

cause they also come with DASH-3 HMDS -HUD +Python 5 WVR HOBS combo and DERBY+ I DERBY ER BVR+ EL 2052 combo

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Gripen is junk cause its made by parts supplied by more than 18 nations that is the reason we did not took eurofighter ... better invest in F16 when grippen NG and F16 BLK 70/72 are of same proce but BLK70/72 is ready but if all goes well as planned Grippen NG "will be ready by 2022" so why weight till then better invest that money in either Rafale F4 or if F35 is avilable in F35 cause as mass production of it is going to increase its price is coming lower and already its on par with rafale F4 ....

as for LCA MK1A with Israeli GaN based AESA radar & GaN based Unified EW+ECM and avionics suite & 8222 jammer pods tere is nothing at least in south asia except rafale maybe that can fight MK1A one on one not even PAF BLK52s

cause they also come with DASH-3 HMDS -HUD +Python 5 WVR HOBS combo and DERBY+ I DERBY ER BVR+ EL 2052 combo

F-16s are made by as many nations as the Gripen, and these countries have commercial rights to supply India with parts. Lockheed Martin only have the rights to sell 40% of the value. The rest will be supplied by the US, U.K., Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Greece, Turkey, South Korea etc.

India is unlikely to get hold of F-35s with the current relations with Russia.

You are OK with the US selling loads of F-16s to Pakistan, but Sweden selling a few EriEyes to Pakistan is betrayal. Grow Up!

Gripen C consistently win against F-16s in exercises. Gripen E will be even better.

Gripen E can easily be adapted by India to use whatever missiles India plans to use,
without the involvement of SAAB. This is due to the sixth generation Software Architecture, that Lockheed would like for the F-35, instead of the bug ridden monolithic S/W architecture it shares with the F-16. You will not see those missiles on the F-16, and you will not see Meteor on LCA.

From a maintenance point of view, it is better to have Gripen with the same engine as is planned to be use for the LCA Mk2, than a completely different engine used on the F-16.

And LCA Mk 1A will not have a GaN based radar. Israel has proposed to develop such a radar, but that has not happened. Meanwhile SAAB is flying a GaN based AESA radar in GlobalEye since a few years.

 

[GURU DUTT]

F-16s are made by as many nations as the Gripen, and these countries have commercial rights to supply India with parts. Lockheed Martin only have the rights to sell 40% of the value. The rest will be supplied by the US, U.K., Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Greece, Turkey, South Korea etc.

India is unlikely to get hold of F-35s with the current relations with Russia.

You are OK with the US selling loads of F-16s to Pakistan, but Sweden selling a few EriEyes to Pakistan is betrayal. Grow Up!

Gripen C consistently win against F-16s in exercises. Gripen E will be even better.

Gripen E can easily be adapted by India to use whatever missiles India plans to use,
without the involvement of SAAB. This is due to the sixth generation Software Architecture, that Lockheed would like for the F-35, instead of the bug ridden monolithic S/W architecture it shares with the F-16. You will not see those missiles on the F-16, and you will not see Meteor on LCA.

From a maintenance point of view, it is better to have Gripen with the same engine as is planned to be use for the LCA Mk2, than a completely different engine used on the F-16.

And LCA Mk 1A will not have a GaN based radar. Israel has proposed to develop such a radar, but that has not happened. Meanwhile SAAB is flying a GaN based AESA radar in GlobalEye since a few years.

i never saud anything about so called SAAB EriEyes AWACS or any betrayl attached to that ... show me if i said so :darg:

now you might think you know all we but might have other plans same goes with other powers and as for F35 its any day better than anything out there today and russia cannot stop us in buying anything from any one as we cant stop it from selling anything to anyone