8 Tribal leaders shot dead in Waziristan

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Hi,

We pakistanis have a very hard time understanding that these lunatics have turned around and starting hurting us real bad.

It is due to the lack of experience that most of us donot know how to stop the violence. The taliban, the jihadis, al qaeda, madrassahs trained, they donot consider anybody else as a human being who has a right to live their lives. We say that they are misguided, please try to be good--- we say that their familes were killed in millitary action so their actions are justifiable and they can do suicide bombings---what a sick thought----. They are a cancer and they need to be eradicated as such. The problem is that we pakistanis donot have the courage to take that step. And the basic reason behind that is that we have a very hard time in defining justice and providing justice.

One of these days pakistanis will have to take a firm stand and then follow through with delivery---the time to negotiate with that tribe is long gone---once we realize that---then we will have clearer goals in front of us and make our decisions and jobs easier.

There is no doubt that one has to understand that terrorist, notwithstanding their religious fervour or for personal family reasons are creating mayhem, murders and killing people who have nothing to do with the imagined or otherwise religious wrongs and slights or with the cause of their personal family woes!

The outside non Islamic world are equally amazed at how Moslems are ready to forgive those who, in the name of religion, can kill not only the infidels, but also those who are the Believers!! In short, the terrorists don't make an exception. If that be so, then what are they wanting to achieve? If Believers are also killed, it really makes no sense!

It is time for all to fight these people, who are misusing religion, for their own agenda for power and projecting themselves as the true soldiers of Islam. They are no true soldiers of anything. Their activities insult the real soldiers of Islam like Saladin, who is justified in defending Islam during the Crusades (I am not discussing the morality of the Crusade).

Is this rabble anywhere near Salah ud din or Saladin in their religious pursuits?

 

[bhangra12345]

Musharraf will sort the terrorists and some others too!

Don't underestimate him!

Sometimes I feel you are putting too much faith on one person and like the US 6 months ago, only musharaff policy but no pakistan policy.

you know promises are meant to be broken and he has time and again proved it.

 

[bhangra12345]

Hi,

We pakistanis have a very hard time understanding that these lunatics have turned around and starting hurting us real bad.

It is due to the lack of experience that most of us donot know how to stop the violence. The taliban, the jihadis, al qaeda, madrassahs trained, they donot consider anybody else as a human being who has a right to live their lives. We say that they are misguided, please try to be good--- we say that their familes were killed in millitary action so their actions are justifiable and they can do suicide bombings---what a sick thought----. They are a cancer and they need to be eradicated as such. The problem is that we pakistanis donot have the courage to take that step. And the basic reason behind that is that we have a very hard time in defining justice and providing justice.

One of these days pakistanis will have to take a firm stand and then follow through with delivery---the time to negotiate with that tribe is long gone---once we realize that---then we will have clearer goals in front of us and make our decisions and jobs easier.

I hope you do this sooner rather than later. The cancer is growing enormously and you do not want to reach the stage of amputation.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Sometimes I feel you are putting too much faith on one person and like the US 6 months ago, only musharaff policy but no pakistan policy.

you know promises are meant to be broken and he has time and again proved it.

Give me an option and I will change tack.

I don't want the disintegration of Pakistan and the more I see the political scene in Pakistan, I find it chaotic and out of control with the radicals and the incapable (the political options) taking hold!

 

[IceCold]

you know promises are meant to be broken and he has time and again proved it.

Care to elborate what promises he broke and specially with respect to india. Are you implying that the government in india is made up of a bunch of fools who say that we will continue to do buisness with him.

 

[bhangra12345]

Give me an option and I will change tack.

I don't want the disintegration of Pakistan and the more I see the political scene in Pakistan, I find it chaotic and out of control with the radicals and the incapable (the political options) taking hold!

Mr. Salim,
What are your options if Musharaff is assasinated? He already has escaped 3 assasnation attempts. As you know all it requires is one and only one attempt to be successful to completely derail, your line of policy.

Yes, I understand your sense of seeing him as the best hope but lets not treat him as the only hope. Musharaff now derives his power from Kiyani, I do not know much about him. You should not rule out options and includes various things, which for obvious reasons I cant state in this forum.

The main problem with Musharaff as I see it, is he knows he will continue only if he is indispensable and he knows that. The moment any other option becomes even a distant second option, he is goner. He has to make himself indispensable. For him to be indispensable, he is tearing apart other institutions and all the safety valves. He has been pretty much successful but that he is indispensable does not mean, he cannot be "eliminated". Once this happens, all the things which make him indispensable today will appear as big monsters as Zia created.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

The little that I see of Pakistani leadership, I am constrained to conclude the Musharraf is not only a hope, but the only hope!

 

[Spring Onion]

3 Uzbeks killed, one injured in Wana

January 13th

WANA: Three Uzbek militants were killed and one injured Sunday when a pro-government tribal posse repulsed an attack from Taliban militants in South Waziristan Agency.
Dead bodies of two Uzbek militants have been hung up from a water tank in Wana bazaar.

The pre-dawn clash erupted when around 50 miscreants launched an attack on the house of commander Khanan in Shakai district, some 25 kilometres off in south of Wana.

Khanan's men guarding the house retaliated and killed three Uzbek militants and injured one, official said, adding that "their bodies were still lying in the area." Other militants fled after the clash.

Assistant Political Agent (APA) Ayaz Khan told this scribe that one of the Khanan's aides also died in exchange of firing.

Khanan is a pro-government elder loyal to Commander Maulana Nazir in Shakai where gunmen earlier this week shot dead six members of a tribal peace committee and left five injured.

He disclosed that some of the militants have been besieged by the commander's men who after repulsing the attack followed the miscreants.

"Some of militants have been trapped in a house of Mantoi," he said, adding "The house owner - Hafiz -belongs to Mulk Shahi tribe."

Till filing of this report Commander Khanan's armed men were engaged in heavy firing on the house.

In Shakai an injured militant - most likely Uzbek - has taken refuge in a cave.

"When one of the commander (Khanan) supporters was shot dead by the militant hiding in the cave when the former tried to capture him (militant) alive," a local administration official told this scribe on condition of anonymity, adding, "The locals and Khanan's men are now making plans how to capture the hidden militant alive."

The attack came just three days after Commander Khanan returned after performing Haj.

Troops in a clash late Wednesday killed up to 50 militants after around 250-300 of them tried to attack a military fort in Ladha town of South Waziristan region, the military said.

Military sources said those who mounted the attack on the fort were mainly followers of Mehsud.

More than 90,000 troops have been deployed into the tribal belt to combat Taliban and al-Qaeda-linked militants who fled Afghanistan after US-led forces invaded the country in 2001 in the wake of the September 11 attacks on the United States.

(Report by Me)

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Jana,

That report of yours is mild and ambivalent.

As good as any newspaper report that is bland and cool.

What is it really?

 

[Spring Onion]

Jana,

That report of yours is mild and ambivalent.

As good as any newspaper report that is bland and cool.

What is it really?

NO not mild it was yesterday.
Basically the pro-government tribals are in clash with the foreign militants and their supporters.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

That I have understood, but what is important is to know the support base for either side and their reaction .

Your report only focuses on the clash and its outcome.

What is the reaction of the people and the complexities that it erupts!

Something indepth, that is.

 

[F.O.X]

Basically the pro-government tribals are in clash with the foreign militants and their supporters.

Atleast they are comming to there senses now.


Regards
Wilco

 

[Spring Onion]

That I have understood, but what is important is to know the support base for either side and their reaction .

Your report only focuses on the clash and its outcome.

What is the reaction of the people and the complexities that it erupts!

Something indepth, that is.

Sir there are two kinds of reporting.

1. to give the follow up of the already published news or event.
so in this case it was only focused on the fresh happening.
2. There are tactics mostly used by western media or for that matter to say vested media, to induce comments from own even if they did not talk to poeple or locals from the area of the conflict.

In this case when clash is going on you can not get immediat reactions of people.

Secondly the complexities that it erupts are mostly discussed in analytical articles or discussions not in a ON-The Spot news.

I hope now it would become easy Sir.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Atleast they are comming to there senses now.


Regards
Wilco

That is exactly what I would like to know.

If an indepth article was there, then one could analyse as to what is happening and how it will pan out.

Why do you think that the viewership of Doordarshan or PTV is so minimal?

One does not want 'sarkari' news.

All want the goats and not the scapegoats!

 

[Spring Onion]

That is exactly what I would like to know.

If an indepth article was there, then one could analyse as to what is happening and how it will pan out.

Why do you think that the viewership of Doordarshan or PTV is so minimal?

One does not want 'sarkari' news.

All want the goats and not the scapegoats!

Sir i think you are not following the news regularly. Go google and you will find out. It is not the first time that men of Mullah Nazir Pro-Government tribal elder had took arms against Uzbeks and militants.
It was there last year too wherein most of the Uzbeks were either killed or drawn out of the area.