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8 Iranian border guards killed by terrorists 50 kms from the Pakistani border

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Another suggestion .. Train your troops (For CT ops).. Stop posting inexperienced,poorly trained conscripts... Secure your side of the border? .. Cooperate with Pak troops (hold regular flag meetings etc)..And do something about the insurgency in Sistan which has become a secterian-ethnic thing .

P.S: Jandullah mofos are also responsible for attacks against us..
People will get killed, even if our troops are trained like Bruce Lee, as long as these people can mount hit and run attacks and then go and safely hide in Pakistan. I'm afraid that won't solve the problem.

And then you have Pakistanis taking delight in these attacks and refusing to accept any responsibility for their country. I mean either both countries are gonna treat each other in neighborly manner, or both will be dragged through shit. I feel Iran has been patient enough with hundreds people blown up, shot and kidnapped taken over to Pakistan to be beheaded. We should readjust and take a less forgiving stance toward Pakistan. But unfortunately I don't run the government...
 
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People will get killed, even if our troops are trained like Bruce Lee, as long as these people can mount hit and run attacks and then go and safely hide in Pakistan. I'm afraid that won't solve the problem.

And then you have Pakistanis taking delight in these attacks and refusing to accept any responsibility for their country. I mean either both countries are gonna treat each other in neighborly manner, or both will be dragged through shit. I feel Iran has been patient enough with hundreds people blown up, shot and kidnapped taken over to Pakistan to be beheaded. We should readjust and take a less forgiving stance toward Pakistan. But unfortunately I don't run the government...

Why would we be delighted over Iranian casualties ? You are not our enemies not do we have any disputes among us? As for responsibility .. Have you seen the sistan border ? In from Baluchistan... And let me tell you that you can't completely fence it .. Our troops also come under fire by those bastards .. I have seen our casualties myself ... Even look at the afghan border .. It's all porous,rocky border .. You can't fence it or erect a wall there not can you guard it 24/7 it's not possible ... As I said you have to take responsibility aswell .. These are your citizens attack you on your soil.. The insurgency itself is a radar for both countries yours and mine!

Even this attack took place in an iranian town .. The insurgents didn't fire at you fr Pak side but from your own soil and vanished.

The ideal situation would be joint patrols .. Both on your side aswell as our .. We alone can't do with with over 175K of our troops fighting in FATA .. Hundred thousands streched thin on the indian border etc.. We aren't a rich country not do we have oil .. Understand our situation too.

These people don't only kill your troops but ours too.
 
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Why would we be delighted over Iranian casualties ? You are not our enemies not do we have any disputes among us? As for responsibility .. Have you seen the sistan border ? In from Baluchistan... And let me tell you that you can't completely fence it .. Our troops also come under fire by those bastards .. I have seen our casualties myself ... Even look at the afghan border .. It's all porous,rocky border .. You can't fence it or erect a wall there not can you guard it 24/7 it's not possible ... As I said you have to take responsibility aswell .. These are your citizens attack you on your soil.. The insurgency itself is a radar for both countries yours and mine!

Even this attack took place in an iranian town .. The insurgents didn't fire at you fr Pak side but from your own soil and vanished.

The ideal situation would be joint patrols .. Both on your side aswell as our .. We alone can't do with with over 175K of our troops fighting in FATA .. Hundred thousands streched thin on the indian border etc.. We aren't a rich country not do we have oil .. Understand our situation too.

These people don't only kill your troops but ours too.

Of course you can build a wall! Most of the border area falls outside of the mountainous region. Here, have a look:
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This is the 21st century. It's not the technology that's missing. It's the political will.

And I don't want to go through the crap about this happening on our soil. Yes we know that. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. There have been enough videos and evidence about where these scum come from and where they run to for safety. We just recently recovered the body one of the beheaded border guards from Pakistan.

And I agree we have a responsibility regarding this. We have a responsibility to protect our country from those who wish us harm. That's why if I had my say, I would build a tall concrete wall across the border from Pakistan and shoot anybody who tried to approach it from the other side. That would be our responsibility.

And Iran has complained countless times and lodged multiple protests to the Pakistani government. So i'm sure they'd be more than willing to coordinate with the Pakistani side. The bottom line is it's just not important enough for the Pakistani government. But as I said it's our responsibility to protect our country, no matter what it takes.
 
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Iran Says Militants From Pakistan Killed Eight Border Guards

Incident, denied by Pakistan, comes before Iran’s foreign minister visits Islamabad to urge it to stay out of Yemen conflict



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Iranian President Hasan Rouhani, right, talks with his Foreign Minister Javad Zarif in Tehran on

ISLAMABAD—Iran said Tuesday that militants had crossed over from Pakistan and killed eight border guards, a day before the Iranian foreign minister is due in Islamabad to press Pakistan to stay out of the Yemen conflict.

Militants from Jaish ul-Adl, a Sunni militant group based in Pakistan’s sparsely populated western province of Balochistan, clashed just inside Iran with Iranian border guards on Monday night and killed eight of them, according to a report from Fars, the semiofficial Iranian news agency.

“The armed outlaws fled to Pakistan immediately [after the attack],” said Saeed Montazer al-Mahdi, a senior police official in Tehran, Fars reported.

Pakistan has tried to balance standing by long-term ally Saudi Arabia, which asked Pakistan to join its military coalition against Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen, while not alienating neighboring Iran. Pakistan says that its forces aren't part of the offensive but that it remains ready to defend Saudi territory if it came under attack.

Pakistani Defense Minister Khawaja Asif said Tuesday that Saudi Arabia asked for Islamabad’s participation not because it needed Pakistan’s military assets or manpower, but because it wanted the moral support.


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“It will be symbolic to be part of the coalition,” said Mr. Asif.

Simbal Khan, a security analyst based in Islamabad, said the attack could be an attempt to ignite tensions between Pakistan and Iran ahead of the visit of Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif on Wednesday. But she said the impact of the killings would go in Iran’s favor.

“This demonstrates the dangers of getting embroiled in Yemen,” said Ms. Khan. “If Pakistan took sides there, such border incidents would increase.”

Pakistan’s forces are already stretched as they deal with the country’s troubled borders with Afghanistan and India, leaving its long border with Iran relatively poorly manned. Although Pakistan has never been close to Iran, ties have improved in recent years. Sunni-majority Pakistan is estimated to have the second largest Shiite population in the world, after Iran.

“We have twice as many posts as the Iranians on the border where the attack took place, and there is also heavy patrolling from our side,” said a Pakistani security official in Balochistan, who denied Iranian accounts of the attack. “There is no question of the militants crossing over from our side, but we have launched an investigation into the matter.”

Pakistan has also previously denied incursions into Iran from its territory.

Without confirming the incident, Pakistan’s defense minister said militants on both sides of the Pakistan-Iran border were a problem.

“In our Balochistan, and on the other side in Iran’s Baluchistan, on both sides, such elements are operating which are an irritant in our relationship,” Mr. Asif said. “I think this will be discussed when the foreign minister of Iran visits Pakistan tomorrow.

In a message posted on its Twitter account and blog, Jaish ul-Adl claimed responsibility for the attack and showed pictures of a burning Iranian military vehicle and weapons it claimed were captured in the raid. It didn’t say whether the attack was carried out from Pakistani territory. The outfit claims to represent the minority Sunni Iranians in eastern Iran.

The attack was the worst since Jaish ul-Adl claimed the killing of 14 Iranian border guards in October 2013.

Mr. Zarif will travel to Oman and Pakistan Wednesday “to convey Iranian deep concern about the humanitarian plight under way in Yemen due to the Saudi air raids,” according to the government in Tehran.

Reports from official Saudi outlets have said Pakistan is part of the Yemen operation, but Islamabad denies them. Some 1,000 Pakistani soldiers have been deployed in Saudi Arabia before the operation got under way, but Pakistan insists they are not combat troops.

Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif told a special parliamentary debate on Yemen that he was working with Turkey to defuse the conflict.

“We should try to resolve these issues, we should sit down with other friends, Islamic countries, and talk,” Mr. Sharif told Parliament Tuesday.

Opposition politicians were almost unanimous that Pakistan must not join the Yemen offensive but instead play the role of peacemaker.

“In Yemen, if we, God forbid, enter this war, I think it will start a big fire in our country too,” opposition politician Ghulam Ahmad Bilourtold Parliament.

Separately, Egypt, which is part of the Saudi military coalition for Yemen, sent its defense minister to Pakistan Tuesday, where he met with the Pakistani army chief, said Pakistan’s military.

—Syed Shoaib Hasan in Karachi contributed to this article.

Corrections & Amplifications

Egypt sent its defense minister, who is also the commander in chief of its armed forces, to Pakistan on Tuesday. An earlier version of this article incorrectly referred to the posts as being held by two people. (April 7, 2015)


Iran Says Militants From Pakistan Killed Eight Border Guards - WSJ
 
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Knew this was coming. But the facts state that the militants were well within Iranian territory.
 
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you can't be certain but well by looking at the road it seems that the place that the attack happened is pretty close to the border . I've been conscripted in police force at the area . (In Saravan) and there the road tend to look like that (Meade of a lot of curves) close to the border (20km or less from border) but when you come deeper into Iran the roads tend to become straight . and far better paving .

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The attack happened at Negour which is about 50 kms from the Pakistani border
The Ayatollahs in Tehran instead of trying to address the real issues which fuel the insurgency are trying to deflect blame on Pakistan
Trying to paint Pakistan as another big bad Sunni country to a gullible youth of a closed society
 
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These narrow winding roads remind me of Pakistan's tribal belt. An ambush on such a road is very deadly. Even some untrained idiot with an RPG from above a ridge can do serious damage to a fully armed military convoy. The key to securing such areas is to have some sort of permanent deployment on strategic hilltops in the area. They provide a view of the whole area and make such ambushes much harder.
Without these measures, i don't see any reduction in attacks, regardless of what Pakistan does on its side of the border.
 
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The attack happened at Negour which is about 50 kms from the Pakistani border
Funny you should say that . at a press conference today , Iranian General said that the coward attack was carried out just 50 meters inside Iranian territory :lol:

Iran is not pakistan , remember that .

The key to securing such areas is to have some sort of permanent deployment on strategic hilltops in the area. They provide a view of the whole area and make such ambushes much harder.
the key to it is mutual cooperation . just today we heard that the pakistani side has NO border patrol whatsoever in that area :lol:

Someone joked about entering the pakistani side and no one will never know about it
 
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the key to it is mutual cooperation . just today we heard that the pakistani side has NO border patrol whatsoever in that area :lol:

Someone joked about entering the pakistani side and no one will never know about it
Of course co operation is vital, but cooperation alone wont pull it. Iran needs to take hard decisions. They need to commit troops to the area if they are serious.
 
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Iran needs to take hard decisions
God bless you . We really need to step up our game . playing nice with the pakistani side does not do it .

Restarting the shelling and sending our interdicting forces is the best option here

They need to commit troops to the area if they are serious.
Being an Ignorant is what got you here in the first place . it's Iran who should commit force to its borders ? Are you joking right now ?
 
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Restarting the shelling and sending our interdicting forces is the best option here

That's not going to end well. Since the last time we had the unfourtunate death of one of our FC guys, substantial artillery has been deployed to the border regions.
If you are advocating war, so be it.
 
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Funny you should say that . at a press conference today , Iranian General said that the coward attack was carried out just 50 meters inside Iranian territory :lol:

Iran is not pakistan , remember that
Well it happened in Negour and that area is about 50 km from the Pakistani border
50 meters you say???
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Where is the Pakistani border???

Your assertion here just proves my point about your state media and officials trying to deflect the blame


sending our interdicting forces is the best option here

Yeah just make sure they don't get caught by the local police again

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You Iranian members here have a nasty habit of chest thumping not the least bit surprising coming from a country with these kind of leaders
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So yeah call me when you actually do something
And that doesn't mean firing random mortars
 
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If you are advocating war, so be it.
You really think we like a war with pakistan ?

Some actions have to be carried out regardless of their "consequences" .

If safeguarding our border with pakistan means War , then so be it .
 
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