500 AMRAAM= new MRCA?

[Munir]

we do have H-4 as a BVR..........its r own program!!! and better than AMRAAM

I do not think we posses technoloy close to the c5... I doubt we have something like BVR. Based on what info can you conclude this beside national pride?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Little chance of that as supporting infrastructure would have to be developed from ground up as well as the sunk costs involved in MRO ops.

Please care to tell us why PAF is sending test pilots for gripen training?
PAF pilots join ETPS gripen program.

 

[Jliu]

Please care to tell us why PAF is sending test pilots for gripen training?
PAF pilots join ETPS gripen program.

The ETPS is a pilot trainee school, hence the "Test Pilots" designation. Much akin to using a T-50 Texan or BaE Hawk for the same purposes. The only reason the Gripen is featured as an advanced trainer (minus the EW suite and Ps/01 radar) is that BaE/Saab/Swedish AF are attempting to promote sales to potential customers as part of marketing strategy for new and SAF soon-to-be surplus Gripens. Notice how there are countries using this service that don't operate the Gripen. Also very interesting is the fact that the ETPS was hosting Thai, Hungarian and Czech pilots as far back as 1998.

The question you have to ask yourself is given funding constraints and a potentially disdvantageous force structure with 5-6 different aircraft types and two different systems sourced from two different suppliers is the PAF willing to attempt integration of yet another aircraft?

Amateurs talk performance. Professionals talk logistics.

 

[Munir]

The ETPS is a pilot trainee school, hence the "Test Pilots" designation. Much akin to using a T-50 Texan or BaE Hawk for the same purposes. The only reason the Gripen is featured as an advanced trainer (minus the EW suite and Ps/01 radar) is that BaE/Saab/Swedish AF are attempting to promote sales to potential customers as part of marketing strategy for new and SAF soon-to-be surplus Gripens. Notice how there are countries using this service that don't operate the Gripen. Also very interesting is the fact that the ETPS was hosting Thai, Hungarian and Czech pilots as far back as 1998.

The question you have to ask yourself is given funding constraints and a potentially disdvantageous force structure with 5-6 different aircraft types and two different systems sourced from two different suppliers is the PAF willing to attempt integration of yet another aircraft?

Amateurs talk performance. Professionals talk logistics.

What about IAF? Did you count the number of platforms?

Professional talks costs... Life cycle costs...

 

[Jliu]

What about IAF? Did you count the number of platforms?

They have their own priorities and relationships.

Professional talks costs... Life cycle costs...

Part of logistics.

 

[blain2]

The ETPS is a pilot trainee school, hence the "Test Pilots" designation. Much akin to using a T-50 Texan or BaE Hawk for the same purposes. The only reason the Gripen is featured as an advanced trainer (minus the EW suite and Ps/01 radar) is that BaE/Saab/Swedish AF are attempting to promote sales to potential customers as part of marketing strategy for new and SAF soon-to-be surplus Gripens. Notice how there are countries using this service that don't operate the Gripen. Also very interesting is the fact that the ETPS was hosting Thai, Hungarian and Czech pilots as far back as 1998.

The question you have to ask yourself is given funding constraints and a potentially disdvantageous force structure with 5-6 different aircraft types and two different systems sourced from two different suppliers is the PAF willing to attempt integration of yet another aircraft?

Amateurs talk performance. Professionals talk logistics.

At the ETPS, the Gripen actually serves some very essential roles for the Test Pilot training program. We sent our pilots over for them to be able to evaluate the flight performance of a jet aircraft (the blokes all belong to the JF-17 TEF). Neither the T-50 nor the Hawk provide similar flight characteristics as those of a supersonic jet (especially when the aircraft has to be evaluated at the peak of its performance envelope to define the max/min type routines) and the specifics of the various flight regimes that can be undertaken in a supersonic aircraft. The idea is to be able to pick out the nuances around the performance and handling qualities of high performance jets and then be able to document and communicate them effectively back to the development team (this is the case with PAC and CATIC). There was an article by a USN or USAF pilot who had written about his experiences at ETPS and TPS in general. Can't find it right now, but had some interesting points about evaluating jet/supersonic test flight eval.

The question you have to ask yourself is given funding constraints and a potentially disdvantageous force structure with 5-6 different aircraft types and two different systems sourced from two different suppliers is the PAF willing to attempt integration of yet another aircraft?

Amateurs talk performance. Professionals talk logistics.

I do not think that PAF is adding more types. The types will be cut down by at least 2 (F-7Ps and A-5s) and potentially the third (MirageIII/Vs) eventually doing a 2 for 3 swap. Makes a lot of sense. PAF has maintained hardware from two suppliers for the last 40+ years due to constraints out of Pakistan's control. The one great benefit is that all of the platforms being purchased are multi-role so the "dedicated platform" approach is slowly becoming obsolete. The French call it "Omni role", the Americans call it "Swing role", whatever the name, the approach works well for a smaller Air Force the size of the PAF from both a fiscal as well as logistical standpoint.

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

indians will not stop with mrca order....i believe there will be another one of its kind.......100 PAF-FA...may be........so dont wait ...indians are going for a shopping spree within this 10 years

 

[BATMAN]

indians will not stop with mrca order....i believe there will be another one of its kind.......100 PAF-FA...may be........so dont wait ...indians are going for a shopping spree within this 10 years

Care to tell when indians will start with mrca????
It will make many indian souls happy.. up in heaven !

I assume other shopping items will take no less time than mrca!

At the moment, i suggest you should stop dreaming and start evaluating things more realisticaly rather than usual empty drum beating.

 

[zavis2003]

well 500 AMRAAMS are not so much less and u needs to know that keeping them and store charges and most important wwe are not getting them free , and u wanna more ,
2ndly dont worry no time will comes when we needs to fire all of them and dont worry they are enough even if we have 10 of them (dont share it with enemies) we are at safe place coz if full scale war then electron + neutron + proton =ATomic bomb

but these 500 are in adequate amount if we consider all things

take SD10 DARTERS and i smells PAk is looking for MICA or ASRAAM too
ASRAAM
The advanced short-range air-to-air missile is a European development to replace the AIM-9 Sidewinder. It was initiated in the 1980s by Germany and the United Kingdom but the two nations were unable to agree upon the details of the joint venture; Germany left the project in 1995 and initiated its own version of the improved Sidewinder – IRIS-T. The United Kingdom continued with the development of ASRAAM and began to equip its aircraft with the missile in 1998. The Australian Air Force purchased the missile in998 for use on the F/A-18

 

[DaRk WaVe]

well 500 AMRAAMS are not so much less and u needs to know that keeping them and store charges and most important wwe are not getting them free , and u wanna more ,
2ndly dont worry no time will comes when we needs to fire all of them and dont worry they are enough even if we have 10 of them (dont share it with enemies) we are at safe place coz if full scale war then electron + neutron + proton =ATomic bomb

but these 500 are in adequate amount if we consider all things

take SD10 DARTERS and i smells PAk is looking for MICA or ASRAAM too
ASRAAM
The advanced short-range air-to-air missile is a European development to replace the AIM-9
Sidewinder. It was initiated in the 1980s by Germany and the United Kingdom but the two
nations were unable to agree upon the details of the joint venture; Germany left the project
in 1995 and initiated its own version of the improved Sidewinder – IRIS-T. The United
Kingdom continued with the development of ASRAAM and began to equip its aircraft with
the missile in 1998. The Australian Air Force purchased the missile in 1998 for use on the
F/A-18

& possibly METEOR

 

[zavis2003]

i think one more missile should be in in paf arsenal thats be
ALARM
The air-launched anti-radiation missile (ALARM) is a UK missile developed to fulfil the same mission as HARM. ALARM entered service in the early 1990s and was successfully used during Desert Storm. The missile has the capability of ascending to 40 000 ft and loitering if the enemy radar is switched off. This is accomplished by deploying a parachute which allows the missile to descend slowly but still in an active mode. If the target radar recommences radiating, the missile will detect the target, release the parachute and fall to the target using gravity. The missile also has a memory so that, if the target fails to reradiate, the missile will attack the last known position.

 

[deep.ocean]

The title of this thread seems misleading. How can 500 AMRAM is equal to MRCA.. To utilise them you need launching planes also or they would be modified AMRAM fired from Eagles Back..

 

[DaRk WaVe]

The title of this thread seems misleading. How can 500 AMRAM is equal to MRCA.. To utilise them you need launching planes also or they would be modified AMRAM fired from Eagles Back..

all of the existing F-16s will be upgraded so that they can use them

 

[Hayreddin]

i think its not ok to say

500 AMRAAM= new MRCA


we can say we will be in competing race with MRCA AS WE GET 500 AMRAAM

 

[sancho]

i think its not ok to say

500 AMRAAM= new MRCA


we can say we will be in competing race with MRCA AS WE GET 500 AMRAAM

Aren't you missing the main point?
Those 500 AMRAAMs are meant for around 60 F16s only, but the least number of MMRCA will be 126 and if you keep in mind that F16IN, F18SH, Gripen NG, EF and even the Rafale can use the same AMRAAM, what do you think how many AMRAAMs IAF will get?
So the missile alone won't be an answer to MMRCA, only more aircrafts that can use it, or more capable aircrafts like J10B can be it.