50 Indian railway engines to chug into Pakistan

[SHAMK9]

Good news for both nations

It's not true, PR is now going for Chinese engines

 

[Unknowncommando]

It's not true, PR is now going for Chinese engines

ok then bad news
but are these chinese ones cheaper than Indians ?

 

[SHAMK9]

ok then bad news
but are these chinese ones cheaper than Indians ?

Think so, Pakistan has more experience with Chinese ones so its a good choice.

 

[A1Kaid]

High risk of train accident in Pakistan because of this...

 

[A.Rafay]

Decision has changed! This news came in ppp tenure new government has decided to go for Chinese engines.

 

[gslv mk3]

High risk of train accident in Pakistan because of this...

Ah the great knowledge of junior Think Tank.......

Yes India can develop high power diesel electric locos of 5500 HP rating,7000 hp freight electric locos and many other rolling stock varieties....

While Pakistan cannot even overhaul locomotives...

@$$ burning??

 

[JohnyBoy]

jesy bolty hain wesa karo ok ziada bhashan nhi chayee hum log customer hain

Teek hain bhai...aur kuch ho tho list me dalke MMS ko post kardo...

 

[surya kiran]

It's not true, PR is now going for Chinese engines

KARACHI, Pakistan (TheNewsEncounter) September 8, 2013: The poor performance of Chinese engines has led to termination of a possible engines purchase deal with Pakistani government on Saturday.

As per the local media reports, Pakistan Railways has cancelled the deal to purchase 75 more train engines with a Chinese company.

The Pakistan Railways also blacklisted the Chinese company after differences developed before the two parties.

The national railways entity had purchased 69 engines worth 17 billion rupees in 2009, out of which, 67 malfunctioned and were eventually grounded in the scrapyard, which influenced the government to scrapping the engines purchase deal.

Pakistan Railways scraps Chinese engines purchase deal | The News Encounter


The bad Chinese connection between Nandipur scam and railways scandal

DUBAI: The Rs15 billion Nandipur scam of the present government has a direct connection to a Chinese company which was just weeks ago black listed by Pakistan in another shady deal, that of the railway engines.

The name of Dongfang Electric is mentioned prominently in the Nandipur scam but a senior executive of a power company explained that the blacklisted company was the transportation division while the electric wing was involved in the Nandipur project. Yet the principal company is the same.

The blacklisting of this Chinese company in the 75 railway engines case has actually become one of the most disputed issues between Pakistan and China and the recent visit of PM Nawaz Sharif also had to face some Chinese concerns on this issue.

Well placed sources say the relations with the Chinese have actually come to a point where the Nawaz Sharif Government will have to decide the Dongfang case first to show that the new government can handle wily bureaucrats, something the Chinese seriously complained about during the Nawaz visit.

In the Nandipur scam the role Dongfang played is not yet very clear but the company has a terrible record of dealings in the transportation sector where they supplied 69 locomotives in 2001 and then failed to provide the required maintenance with the result that the new Railways Minister Saad Rafiq had to declare, as soon as he took charge, that he would never import any locomotives from China again.

The Nawaz Government blacklisted the Chinese firm on June 5 cancelling supply of 75 locomotives under an agreement signed in 2008 saying: “As you have failed to fulfil the contractual obligations against the subject contract, you are hereby blacklisted till further orders.”

The company has challenged the black listing decision in the Lahore High Court but its counsel admitted that Dongfang had participated in major infrastructure projects, including the Ghazi-Barotha Hydropower Project, Nandipur Power Project, Chichoki-Mallian Power Project, and Pak-China Rail Link Pre-Feasibility.

Later the Lahore High Court declined the request by the company to withdraw a case seeking the court’s intervention for setting aside the cancellation of the contract for supply of 75 locomotives.

But the locomotives issue is not an easy case. Railways Minister Saad Rafiq told me on Friday while he had banned Dongfang, another order of 58 engines placed with another Chinese company will go ahead as that company was supplying US-made engines.

This is one way of handling the Chinese, an expert said, but the fact is that the US Caterpillar engines which are being supplied to Pakistan are unfit for long haul trains on Pakistani tracks and they are good only for shunting purposes on railway stations.

The Pakistan Railways has all the technical details and record of these objections and according to a document made available to The News, an expert engineer had categorically pointed out that the Chinese manufacturer which had been awarded the contract was technically disqualified in another tender for 150 locomotives.

The Pakistan Railways expert’s advice was not heard and the contract for the 58 engines has been given to the Chinese firm and now major changes will be required to make these engines run on Pakistan tracks involving long runs and to avoid damage to tracks and bridges, railways, insiders say.

But Saad Rafiq is determined to do the right thing and he promised that if he found any discrepancy and wrong in any of the contracts and specifications he would cancel the contracts immediately.

Yet the Railways engines issue with the Chinese has to be settled to the satisfaction of the Beijing authorities before the big and mega railways projects of Gwadar to Kashghar can even be considered, an expert said.

These Chinese companies which have been blacklisted are the ones which will play a major role in the strategic projects envisaged by Mian Nawaz Sharif and this will be a big issue for the government how to balance its own on-ground realities with the larger strategic interests that it has in mind.

 

[Shinigami]

so basically pakistan would rather buy the junk china sells them than buy better quality ones from india

 

[[Bregs]]

Its the loss of Pakistan railways not of Indian railways

 

[BloggerPakistani]

The world is going advance by Research and Development and we look others to solve our problems. Seeking aid from US, technology from china, now Railway engines from India. We are still not clear that we can not become asian tiger until and unless we acquire the status of Self-Sufficient country in every field

 

[Sliver]

The world is going advance by Research and Development and we look others to solve our problems. Seeking aid from US, technology from china, now Railway engines from India. We are still not clear that we can not become asian tiger until and unless we acquire the status of Self-Sufficient country in every field

One of the better posts in recent times. You have China next to you - ask them for capacity building instead of getting finished products. Compete with India on a global scale in production and manufacturing with Chinese help. It will be a better model for the whole world as competition brings out best products, R&D at cheaper prices.

 

[Glorino]

Pakistan should import railway engine technology from India and improve on it and in the long run need not be dependent on others.Pakistan has the capability to improve on the imported content as seen from Army tank improvement.

 

[SHAMK9]

KARACHI, Pakistan (TheNewsEncounter) September 8, 2013: The poor performance of Chinese engines has led to termination of a possible engines purchase deal with Pakistani government on Saturday.

As per the local media reports, Pakistan Railways has cancelled the deal to purchase 75 more train engines with a Chinese company.

The Pakistan Railways also blacklisted the Chinese company after differences developed before the two parties.

The national railways entity had purchased 69 engines worth 17 billion rupees in 2009, out of which, 67 malfunctioned and were eventually grounded in the scrapyard, which influenced the government to scrapping the engines purchase deal.

Pakistan Railways scraps Chinese engines purchase deal | The News Encounter


The bad Chinese connection between Nandipur scam and railways scandal

DUBAI: The Rs15 billion Nandipur scam of the present government has a direct connection to a Chinese company which was just weeks ago black listed by Pakistan in another shady deal, that of the railway engines.

The name of Dongfang Electric is mentioned prominently in the Nandipur scam but a senior executive of a power company explained that the blacklisted company was the transportation division while the electric wing was involved in the Nandipur project. Yet the principal company is the same.

The blacklisting of this Chinese company in the 75 railway engines case has actually become one of the most disputed issues between Pakistan and China and the recent visit of PM Nawaz Sharif also had to face some Chinese concerns on this issue.

Well placed sources say the relations with the Chinese have actually come to a point where the Nawaz Sharif Government will have to decide the Dongfang case first to show that the new government can handle wily bureaucrats, something the Chinese seriously complained about during the Nawaz visit.

In the Nandipur scam the role Dongfang played is not yet very clear but the company has a terrible record of dealings in the transportation sector where they supplied 69 locomotives in 2001 and then failed to provide the required maintenance with the result that the new Railways Minister Saad Rafiq had to declare, as soon as he took charge, that he would never import any locomotives from China again.

The Nawaz Government blacklisted the Chinese firm on June 5 cancelling supply of 75 locomotives under an agreement signed in 2008 saying: “As you have failed to fulfil the contractual obligations against the subject contract, you are hereby blacklisted till further orders.”

The company has challenged the black listing decision in the Lahore High Court but its counsel admitted that Dongfang had participated in major infrastructure projects, including the Ghazi-Barotha Hydropower Project, Nandipur Power Project, Chichoki-Mallian Power Project, and Pak-China Rail Link Pre-Feasibility.

Later the Lahore High Court declined the request by the company to withdraw a case seeking the court’s intervention for setting aside the cancellation of the contract for supply of 75 locomotives.

But the locomotives issue is not an easy case. Railways Minister Saad Rafiq told me on Friday while he had banned Dongfang, another order of 58 engines placed with another Chinese company will go ahead as that company was supplying US-made engines.

This is one way of handling the Chinese, an expert said, but the fact is that the US Caterpillar engines which are being supplied to Pakistan are unfit for long haul trains on Pakistani tracks and they are good only for shunting purposes on railway stations.

The Pakistan Railways has all the technical details and record of these objections and according to a document made available to The News, an expert engineer had categorically pointed out that the Chinese manufacturer which had been awarded the contract was technically disqualified in another tender for 150 locomotives.

The Pakistan Railways expert’s advice was not heard and the contract for the 58 engines has been given to the Chinese firm and now major changes will be required to make these engines run on Pakistan tracks involving long runs and to avoid damage to tracks and bridges, railways, insiders say.

But Saad Rafiq is determined to do the right thing and he promised that if he found any discrepancy and wrong in any of the contracts and specifications he would cancel the contracts immediately.

Yet the Railways engines issue with the Chinese has to be settled to the satisfaction of the Beijing authorities before the big and mega railways projects of Gwadar to Kashghar can even be considered, an expert said.

These Chinese companies which have been blacklisted are the ones which will play a major role in the strategic projects envisaged by Mian Nawaz Sharif and this will be a big issue for the government how to balance its own on-ground realities with the larger strategic interests that it has in mind.

That could only mean one thing! Local engines

 

[surya kiran]

That could only mean one thing! Local engines

Or Indian engines