50 commercial entities being run by armed forces

[TaimiKhan]

Thank you very much for clarifying it. So having said that, these retrd people are effectively ciclians now arent they ?

Then I wonder why the incompetent govt is claiming that these are being run by Armed forces ?
Trying to defame them as always, perhaps

If they hadn't become civilian after being retired then do you think Mushy uncle would have to go into so much trouble after he let go the uniform.

Jeb tak seat and uniform hoti hai, mazay hain, once they are gone, you become a bloody civilian too

hahahahahahahahahahahhahaaaa

Thank you very much for clarifying it. So having said that, these retrd people are effectively ciclians now arent they ?

Then I wonder why the incompetent govt is claiming that these are being run by Armed forces ?
Trying to defame them as always, perhaps

Here read this:

http://www.fauji.org.pk/fauji/about-us/aboutus-overview

http://www.fauji.org.pk/fauji/welfare/welfare-overview

More then 80% of the income goes to the welfare setup being run by FF & rest for further investments.

FF looks after ex-service men from all the branches of the armed forces while AWT is Army's ex-servicemen specific.

Rest their website and you will know much more.

 

[BetterPakistan]

You might review your statment ,out of sheer 70 years or so half of the time Millitary was in control and rest of the time Millitary has been calling the shorts from behind also one has to see all politicians are result of Millitary nurseries ,Bhutto ,Altaf Hussain ,Nawaz Sharif now latest Imran Khan .

Except IK all arrived using the establishment way.

Secondly, my point is "it is only our military who progressed and all other institutions failed". Military progressed so much that today our army general is more famous and respected compare to chief executive of the country.

 

[volatile]

Except IK all arrived using the establishment way.

Secondly, my point is "it is only our military who progressed and all other institutions failed". Military progressed so much that today our army general is more famous and respected compare to chief executive of the country.

My friend for 180 Mil people when you spend 10 Billion $ and for 1 Mil people you spend the same ,you can pretty much understand they will be better . IK is on the shoulders of Establishment and all are its just a matter of time

 

[BetterPakistan]

My friend for 180 Mil people when you spend 10 Billion $ and for 1 Mil people you spend the same ,you can pretty much understand they will be better . IK is on the shoulders of Establishment and all are its just a matter of time

This is the most poor logic I have ever heard. Secondly, our military strength is more than 1.5 million. Thirdly defense budget for current fiscal year is $8.5 billion.

Turkey spent $204 billion on 75 million people and $18.2 billion on 0.6 million military but turkey civilian leaders are more respected and liked by turks. Now where do your logic fits here?
Same goes for India, USA, UK etc

You can carry that crap on that "IK is on the shoulders of establishment" but believe me no one gives a damn about such statements because these are too old and we are fed up listening it again & again.

 

[mdcp]

In advanced countries, cities are run by local elected members under city council. The city collect its own revenue from same city and spend on same place. The rate payers get the services what they pay for. Pakistan wants to run on free bee which is not possible. Govt. should make bette r tax collection and direct taxes rather than stripping indirect taxes. So there is proportionate balance in the country. Unfortunately, rural areas in Pakistan ignored completley and no planning at all. There should be one system and plan for all country and implemented accordingly. Lahore is big city and contributing a lot to the national economy and i am sure with local revenues they can run and develop a lot more

 

[volatile]

This is the most poor logic I have ever heard. Secondly, our military strength is more than 1.5 million. Thirdly defense budget for current fiscal year is $8.5 billion.

This is not poor logic it is reality 8.5 Billion $ .plus pensions for armed forces around 10 Billion US$ .Its not general hatred or some thing putting things in perspective ,OK i will take 1.5 Mill Armed personnel along with there families of 5 = 7.5 Mil People of Pakistan ,10 Billion /7.5 = 10,000,000,000/7,500,000 so you can do the map ,Infrastrucutre combined with Health ,Education and other fasciliites for other 190 Mil Pakistani are pretty much the same ,I dont see any confusion with this logic so percapita spending is very less result in very less % in civilians to have productive and rational minds . Regarding IK in time after 10-20 years people will be cursing him just like people are cursing NS as by product of Zia ,so IK will be byproduct for Musharaf and Co

 

[nomi007]

one of page of social media spreading these posts

 

[BetterPakistan]

This is not poor logic it is reality 8.5 Billion $ .plus pensions for armed forces around 10 Billion US$ .Its not general hatred or some thing putting things in perspective ,OK i will take 1.5 Mill Armed personnel along with there families of 5 = 7.5 Mil People of Pakistan ,10 Billion /7.5 = 10,000,000,000/7,500,000 so you can do the map ,Infrastrucutre combined with Health ,Education and other fasciliites for other 190 Mil Pakistani are pretty much the same ,I dont see any confusion with this logic so percapita spending is very less result in very less % in civilians to have productive and rational minds . Regarding IK in time after 10-20 years people will be cursing him just like people are cursing NS as by product of Zia ,so IK will be byproduct for Musharaf and Co

This is not only poor but worst logic i have ever heard. I gave you example of turkey, what about that?

It is failure of your civilian leaders that they don't make more revenue for country to spend on. Not only this but your leaders loot everything what should be spent on poor Pakistanis. That $8.5 billion isn't given to military to purchase off-shore companies but to spent on training, weapons, up-gradation, salary & maintenance of armed forces due to whom Pakistan exist today. Military is always present there for Pakistan even when there are severe natural disasters and your civilian departments with big budgets are ignoring everything,

Total Infrastructure budget (provincial+federal) for last year was approximately Rs 1.5 Trillion and where all this money was spent? This is more than military spending. I hope you go and find how much money was utilized and how much was looted & stashed abroad.

As far as IK is concerned, how can you call him byproduct for Musharraf? If IK was byproduct of musharraf than he would have won 2002 elections. You better read Pakistan history and than come to argue because your arguments are full of flaws and are poor ones.

 

[Wolf]

Almost all running successfully, owned by an organization instead of individuals, paying taxes, continuously expanding, employing mostly civilians. So thumbs up. Go ahead. Those criticising first go and try to run Pakistan steel mills and PIA first. If given to army, I bet they will become successful too as political based inductees will be shown the door first which is not acceptable to political masters

 

[volatile]

It is failure of your civilian leaders that they don't make more revenue for country to spend on. Not only this but your leaders loot everything what should be spent on poor Pakistanis. That $8.5 billion isn't given to military to purchase off-shore companies but to spent on training, weapons, up-gradation, salary & maintenance of armed forces due to whom Pakistan exist today. Military is always present there for Pakistan even when there are severe natural disasters and your civilian departments with big budgets are ignoring everything,

http://www.sachmedia.com/khushnood-...ervaiz-musharaf-also-has-off-shore-companies/
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/110685-How-does-Musharraf-own-over-Rs2-billion-deposits
http://www.pkhope.com/when-avm-shahid-latif-was-caught-pants-down/
http://tribune.com.pk/story/1024459...probe-against-gen-kayanis-brother-front-page/
http://www.dawn.com/news/925408/navy-investigates-nadir-khan-for-passport-scam
http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ost-dinner-for-navy-team-says-ed-chargesheet/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansurul_Haq

Total Infrastructure budget (provincial+federal) for last year was approximately Rs 1.5 Trillion and where all this money was spent? This is more than military spending. I hope you go and find how much money was utilized and how much was looted & stashed abroad.

http://www.nespak.com.pk/downloads/pdf/13-MP_pg130_141.pdf
http://www.jica.go.jp/pakistan/english/activities/activity02.html
http://www.pcq.com.pk/category/pakistan-construction-projects/

As far as IK is concerned, how can you call him byproduct for Musharraf? If IK was byproduct of musharraf than he would have won 2002 elections. You better read Pakistan history and than come to argue because your arguments are full of flaws and are poor ones.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...elebrate-army-took-Pakistan-s-government.html
http://tribune.com.pk/story/898084/...an-warns-against-involvement-in-yemen-crisis/
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...army-takeover-of-pakistan-116071900225_1.html
https://www.csis.org/analysis/imran-khan’s-demonstrations-civilian-democratic-governance-loses
http://www.dawn.com/news/1125915
http://www.dawn.com/news/1153618
http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/28717/why-i-have-lost-all-respect-for-imran-khan-and-pti/

Unlike many I belong to hardworking middle class who has seen all and i will tell you just abusing some one will not help try to see all links which answers you and read them without biaseness ,in Pak there is no holy cow and specially millitary has there own share of blunders and corruption so dont be judgemental to politicians ,

 

[BetterPakistan]

http://www.sachmedia.com/khushnood-...ervaiz-musharaf-also-has-off-shore-companies/
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/110685-How-does-Musharraf-own-over-Rs2-billion-deposits
http://www.pkhope.com/when-avm-shahid-latif-was-caught-pants-down/
http://tribune.com.pk/story/1024459...probe-against-gen-kayanis-brother-front-page/
http://www.dawn.com/news/925408/navy-investigates-nadir-khan-for-passport-scam
http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ost-dinner-for-navy-team-says-ed-chargesheet/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansurul_Haq

http://www.nespak.com.pk/downloads/pdf/13-MP_pg130_141.pdf
http://www.jica.go.jp/pakistan/english/activities/activity02.html
http://www.pcq.com.pk/category/pakistan-construction-projects/



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...elebrate-army-took-Pakistan-s-government.html
http://tribune.com.pk/story/898084/...an-warns-against-involvement-in-yemen-crisis/
http://www.business-standard.com/ar...army-takeover-of-pakistan-116071900225_1.html
https://www.csis.org/analysis/imran-khan’s-demonstrations-civilian-democratic-governance-loses
http://www.dawn.com/news/1125915
http://www.dawn.com/news/1153618
http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/28717/why-i-have-lost-all-respect-for-imran-khan-and-pti/

Unlike many I belong to hardworking middle class who has seen all and i will tell you just abusing some one will not help try to see all links which answers you and read them without biaseness ,in Pak there is no holy cow and specially millitary has there own share of blunders and corruption so dont be judgemental to politicians ,

I don't believe such crap. Musharraf and Hillary Clinton are the top lecturers in the world. They both charges $2,00,000+ per lecture on world affairs so it is not a big deal for musharraf to have Rs 2 billion. When Musharraf retired as army chief he got a plot worth about half a billion back in 2007. There's no corruption case on musharraf yet.

You didn't answered my two simple questions:-

1. Turkey also spends a big chunk on its military but still people support civilian leaders in turkey, why?
2. If Imran Khan as per you is byproduct of musharraf than why PTI didn't won 2002 elections?

 

[hassamun]

Almost all running successfully, owned by an organization instead of individuals, paying taxes, continuously expanding, employing mostly civilians. So thumbs up. Go ahead. Those criticising first go and try to run Pakistan steel mills and PIA first. If given to army, I bet they will become successful too as political based inductees will be shown the door first which is not acceptable to political masters

PIA was performing excellently in the 60s and 70s because it was being managed by ex Air Force Personnel...PIA made Emirates and Air Malta...Thats how good it was...

 

[volatile]

I don't believe such crap. Musharraf and Hillary Clinton are the top lecturers in the world. They both charges $2,00,000+ per lecture on world affairs so it is not a big deal for musharraf to have Rs 2 billion. When Musharraf retired as army chief he got a plot worth about half a billion back in 2007. There's no corruption case on musharraf yet.

Grow up little Hilary in his last return filed 1,26,000 $ per lecture and you know how much 2 Billion is ? its 20 Million US $ , 20,000,000/200,000 = 200 Lectures are you super crazy ? Musharaf sons owns share in telenor . MUshi properties and overseas bank account so Holy cows are not to be touched

You didn't answered my two simple questions:-

1. Turkey also spends a big chunk on its military but still people support civilian leaders in turkey, why?
2. If Imran Khan as per you is byproduct of musharraf than why PTI didn't won 2002 elections?

For your 2 Questions
1.In turkey whole of the army was not involved there were fractions .
2. Turk electrol Govt has system in which there are more than 50,000 representators bridging a gap b/w GOvt and people (all were installed by Erdogan) ,
3. Erdogan has way more scandals but some how there were not so many brave commando like ours
4. IK will never even win 2018 election reason no development other than facebook ,last election in Azad Kashmir was an eye opener for him but still he and his supporters are in looser denial mode

 

[OrionHunter]

Jst they two administrations in pak?? Military and GOP, I always thought military was controlled by gov!!

It is said that a country has an army but here the army has a country!

The Army Welfare Trust, according to reports, has a turnover of over $14 billion, more than the trade between China and Pakistan!

But at least the AWT looks after the welfare of retired soldiers unlike in India where they're left to the mercy of God after retirement!

 

[mdcp]

Army, govt and all state insitution must not run any commercial entity.

All commercial ventures from state departments must be listed and be float in stock exchange