5 reasons why Afghanistan blames Pakistan.

[Hiptullha]

Any relevance to my post?

KGB had outsmarted CIA in India and had thoroughly infiltrated our ranks just like ISI has done nowadaysEven Modi is ISI agent .So ??What's your point ??

What's the point of CIA vs KGB stories ??

Point is, India was the one disrupting the subcontinent 1950s onwards as a Soviet stooge, working with the KGB to send Communist radicals and secessionists across the subcontinent and subvert the native populace. Pakistan decided to take a page out of India and the KGB's book during the '80s after losing East Pakistan. This whole Indian sob story about being the victim of terror is a bunch of Dalit droppings.

Had Pakistan accepted the proposal of Shah of Iran?

Pretty sure Pakistan did accept and there was going to be a union, but the Afghan government pulled out.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

The current Taliban leader and the current defense minister of Afghanistan have no love lost for each other----.

they'll continue talks

Afghan team advised to resume talks with Taliban - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

 

[SwAggeR]

Point is, India was the one disrupting the subcontinent 1950s onwards as a Soviet stooge, working with the KGB to send Communist radicals and secessionists across the subcontinent and subvert the native populace. Pakistan decided to take a page out of India and the KGB's book during the '80s after losing East Pakistan. This whole Indian sob story about being the victim of terror is a bunch of Dalit droppings.

As if Pak-India border was more percolative than Af-Pak border.

Tell me more about communist movement in your Punjab or Sindh when compared with similar movement in your Baloochistan, KPK and other Afghanistan adjoining regions.

Lol, anyway cool script for your next Lollywood blockbuster WAAR-2 .

 

[Hiptullha]

As if Pak-India border was more percolative than Af-Pak border.

If you watched the video I hyperlinked, you'd know what the KGB would do was invite leftist-leaning intellectuals to places like Delhi or Moscow. When they were done with subverting, the intellectuals would return, inadvertently spreading Soviet agenda.

Tell me more about communist movement in your Punjab or Sindh when compared with similar movement in your Baloochistan, KPK and other Afghanistan adjoining regions.

You can read all about them here.
The first left - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
G. M. Syed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lol, anyway cool script for your next Lollywood blockbuster WAAR-2 .

Cool script? I've provided citations. What I've said is backed up by the testimony of former KGB agents. If you haven't read the Mitrokhin Archives, I suggest you do because that shows how deep the KGB was in the subcontinent.

 

[SwAggeR]

If you watched the video I hyperlinked, you'd know what the KGB would do was invite leftist-leaning intellectuals to places like Delhi or Moscow. When they were done with subverting, the intellectuals would return, inadvertently spreading Soviet agenda.

You are conflicting yourself, how can intellectuals be mindwashed or subverted ?? Even if as per you Delhi used to be one of the spots for their aggregation then it must not have been secret affair.

You can read all about them here.
The first left - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Buddy the article clearly mentions that main socialist party NAP wanted socialism for non-Punjabi and non-Sindhi population since there was no significant traction for them in (those two are India adjoining Pakistani states).Thanks for proving my point only.

Cool script? I've provided citations. What I've said is backed up by the testimony of former KGB agents. If you haven't read the Mitrokhin Archives, I suggest you do because that shows how deep the KGB was in the subcontinent.

Tha guy was western quisling.His archives regarding KGB are not authentic.

 

[Hiptullha]

You are conflicting yourself, how can intellectuals be mindwashed or subverted ??.

Visitors would be boozed up the entire time and given a rose-tinted, honeycoated tour of Moscow or whatever place they were visiting. They usually weren't even aware of their mission and were considered "useful idiots" by the KGB. All they were to do was sow the seeds of discontent and rebellion. Again, the KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov highlights all this in his interview. This doesn't mean that all the KGB and India did were subvert intellectuals.

Buddy the article clearly mentions that main socialist p
arty NAP wanted socialism for non-Punjabi and non-Sindhi population since there was no significant traction for them in (those two are India adjoining Pakistani states).Thanks for proving my point only.

What point? There were plenty of Sindhi nationalists out there who were Leftist-leaning. Just because there wasn't a major Communist party in Punjab doesn't mean India wasn't involved in the KGB web of subversion. Why should have India wasted time trying to send Communist rebels and secessionists across a heavily-militarized border when there was a completely porous border between Afghanistan and Pakistan and an already well-organized and popular party in NWFP. Did you expect that maybe the Indians and KGB would have created a Communist party out of nothing in the province of Punjab, a waste of their resources and time?

Tha guy was western quisling.His archives regarding KGB are not authentic.

These were the notes of a man who was prepared to defect and provide Western intelligence organisations with knowledge of KGB operations across the world. They were not for public consumption. Your accusations raise the question why a "Western quisling" would provide the CIA or MI5 with unauthentic information.

 

[SwAggeR]

Visitors would be boozed up the entire time and given a rose-tinted, honeycoated tour of Moscow or whatever place they were visiting. They usually weren't even aware of their mission and were considered "useful idiots" by the KGB. All they were to do was sow the seeds of discontent and rebellion. Again, the KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov highlights all this in his interview. This doesn't mean that all the KGB and India did were subvert intellectuals.

Now intellectuals became useful fools .That's very inconsistent of you.Anyway in that case I would like to see that interview ,any source plz for Was India mentioned in that or was India's motivated to retrieve some state secrets from them in clandestine way.Mere spread of a communist socialist ideology isn't some subverting sort of thing and if it is then you should stay away from China .

Why should have India wasted time trying to send Communist rebels and secessionists across a heavily-militarized border when

There you go. India had just no role. What happened on your Afghanistan border was none of our business .

These were the notes of a man who was prepared to defect and provide Western intelligence organisations with knowledge of KGB operations across the world. They were not for public consumption. Your accusations raise the question why a "Western quisling" would provide the CIA or MI5 with unauthentic information.

No I just meant since it's western bastardised account of KGB, it doesn't look sanctimonious.

 

[Max Pain]

India has never in its 68 yrs independent history has deployed its troops anywhere in the world except under UN flag so India sending its troops to AFG is zero possibility weather its BJP govt or Cong govt. Where Soviets led eastern bloc countries and US led NATO have failed why would we change our national policy for such a place. our only aim is to see taliban like govt do not call shots in Afg and the problems between AFG and Pakistan is an issue between them to solve



since i do not know much about past history but this is a puzzle for me why Afg govt voted against Pakistan even in 1948 ?

they claim its their land.

 

[[Bregs]]

they claim its their land.

This is all the politics by different countries to save there int rests

 

[Max Pain]

Full breed.

dayum

 

[Hiptullha]

Anyway in that case I would like to see that interview ,any source plz for Was India mentioned in that or was India's motivated to retrieve some state secrets from them in clandestine way

There you go. India had just no role. What happened on your Afghanistan border was none of our business

Ha ha, no. India maintained connections with secessionists who campaigned for the formation of Pashtunistan.

No I just meant since it's western bastardised account of KGB, it doesn't look sanctimonious

The Cold War ended after the notes were published. Western historians have gone on to embrace more revisionist schools of thoughts on the Cold War. If the West did care about their Cold War reputation, it wouldn't have declassified hundreds of documents disclosing their own plans, secret deals they made with separatists and terrorists and brutal military regimes which they supported.

 

[SwAggeR]

Ha ha, no. India maintained connections with secessionists who campaigned for the formation of Pashtunistan.

This is akin to mud slinging,nothing more . India had just no role in demand of Pashtunishtan.Mere allegations don't substantiate anything .

I would rebutt your rest of the post tomorrow.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Point is, India was the one disrupting the subcontinent 1950s onwards as a Soviet stooge, working with the KGB to send Communist radicals and secessionists across the subcontinent and subvert the native populace. Pakistan decided to take a page out of India and the KGB's book during the '80s after losing East Pakistan. This whole Indian sob story about being the victim of terror is a bunch of Dalit droppings.



Pretty sure Pakistan did accept and there was going to be a union, but the Afghan government pulled out.

Shah snitched on Pakistan unfortunately and that was the cause of end of Ayub Khan.

 

[Hiptullha]

This is akin to mud slinging,nothing more . India had just no role in demand of Pashtunishtan.Mere allegations don't substantiate anything .
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The Indian government was sold out to the Soviet Union, the newspapers were dripping with the latest KGB-manufactured conspiracy theories and their country was filled with KGB agents. Wouldn't be wrong to say they were working alongside the KGB.(they were already supporting and arming the Left-leaning Mukti-Bahini fighters).

 

[SwAggeR]

The Indian government was sold out to the Soviet Union, the newspapers were dripping with the latest KGB-manufactured conspiracy theories and their country was filled with KGB agents. Wouldn't be wrong to say they were working alongside the KGB.(they were already supporting and arming the Left-leaning Mukti-Bahini fighters).

After I busted your socialist theory now you are back to BD episode ??

It's same as saying Pakistan was sold out to CIA, which had bases in Pakistan sanctioned by your PM since fifties itself. Go check that. Both countries had joined the camps of one of the Super Power of that time.

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