494 Jammu and Kashmir Youth Joins The Ranks Of The Indian Army

[Ilyas naik]

@ parul first condition for plebescite was that pakistan should withdraw its force from the areas that were occupied by tribals

 

[Parul]

@ parul first condition for plebescite was that pakistan should withdraw its force from the areas that were occupied by tribals

@Ilyas naik now go and once first condition is met then only type Plebiscite on your Keyboard . Read about UN Resolution, 1st condition includes more things

I fail to understand why Pakistani and Indian Kashmiri Freedom Fighter don't raise there voice against AKASI Kashmir, is it not the legitimate part if KASHMIR ?

 

[Ayush]

@Ilyas naik now go and once first condition is met then only type Plebiscite on your Keyboard . Read about UN Resolution, 1st condition includes more things

I fail to understand why Pakistani and Indian Kashmiri Freedom Fighter don't raise there voice against AKASI Kashmir, is it not the legitimate part if KASHMIR

what is akasi kashmir parul??

 

[Parul]

what is akasi kashmir parul??

My Bad. I was referring to the area which China Has....

 

[Ayush]

My Bad. I was referring to the area which China Has....

that area is known as aksai chin

 

[Parul]

@Ilyas naik read this article, it may help you FORGET PLEBISCITE, AS ITS NOT POSSIBLE NOW

Often on this forum, aspersions are cast on UN security councils resolutions. Folowing might give a good understanding:

*RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND
PAKISTAN ON 13 AUGUST 1948. (DOCUMENT NO. S/1100, PARA 75, DATED THE
9TH NOVEMBER, 1948)

THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND PAKISTAN

Having given careful consideration to the points of view expressed by
the Representatives of India and Pakistan regarding the situation in
the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and

Being of the opinion that the prompt cessation of hostilities and the
coercion of conditions the continuance of which is likely to endanger
international peace and security are essential to implementation of
its endeavors to assist the Governments of India and Pakistan in
effecting a final settlement of the situation.

Resolves to submit simultaneously to the Governments of India and
Pakistan the following proposal

PART I

CEASE-FIRE ORDER

1. The Governments of India and Pakistan agree that their respective
High Commands will issue separately and simultaneously a cease- fire
order to apply to all forces under their control in the State of Jammu
and Kashmir as of the earliest practicable date or dates to be
mutually agreed upon within four days after these proposals have been
accepted by both Governments.

2. The High Commands of Indian and Pakistan forces agreed to refrain
from taking any measures that might augment the military potential of
the forces under their control in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. (For
the purpose of these proposals "forces under their control shall be
considered to include all forces, organized and unorganized, fighting
or participating in hostilities on their respective sides).

3. The Commanders-in-Chief of the Forces of India and Pakistan shall
promptly confer regarding any necessary local changes in present
dispositions which may facilitate the cease-fire.

4. In its discretions and as the Commission may find practicable, the
Commission will appoint military observers who under the authority of
the Commission and with the co-operation of both Commands will
supervise the observance of the cease-fire order.

5. The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan agree to
appeal to their respective peoples to assist in creating and
maintaining an atmosphere favorable to the promotion of further
negotiations.



PART II

TRUCE AGREEMENT

Simultaneously with the acceptance of the proposal for the immediate
cessation of hostilities as outlined in Part I, both Governments
accept the following principles as a basis for the formulation of a
truce agreement, the details of which shall be worked out in
discussion between their Representatives and the Commission.

1. (l) As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the
State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the
situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan
before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to
withdraw its troops from that State.

(2) The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavor to secure
the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and
Pakistan nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the
State for the purpose of fighting.

(3) Pending a final solution the territory evacuated by the Pakistan
troops will be administered by the local authorities under the
surveillance of the Commission.

2. (1) When the Commission shall have notified the Government of India
that the tribesmen and Pakistan nationals referred to in Part II A 2
hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was
represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as
having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu
and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistan forces are being withdrawn
from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to
begin to withdraw the bulk of their forces from the State in stages to
be agreed upon with the Commission

(2) Pending the acceptance of the conditions for a final settlement of
the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian Government
will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of cease-fire
the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the
Commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the
observance of law and order. The Commission will have observers
stationed where it deems necessary.

(3) The Government of India will undertake to ensure that the
Government of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will take all measures
within their power to make it publicly known that peace, law and order
will be safeguarded and that all human and political rights will be
guaranteed.

3. (1) Upon signature, the full text of the Truce Agreement or
communiqué containing the principles thereof as agreed upon between
the two Governments and the Commission, will be made public.


PART III

The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan reaffirm their
wish that the future status of the State of Jammu and Kashmir shall be
determined in accordance with the will of the people and to that end,
upon acceptance of the Truce Agreement both Governments agree to enter
into consultations with the Commission to determine fair and equitable
conditions whereby such free expression will be assured.


*The UNCIP unanimously adopted this Resolution on 13-8-1948.

Members of the Commission: Argentina. Belgium, Columbia,
Czechoslovakia and U.S.A.

*RESOLUTION ADOPTED AT THE MEETING OF THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND PAKISTAN ON 5 JANUARY, 1949. (DOCUMENT NO. S/1196, PARA IS, DATED THE 10TH JANUARY, 1949)
Having received from the Governments of India and Pakistan in Communications, dated December 23 and December 25, 1948, respectively their acceptance of the following principles which are supplementary to the Commission's Resolution of August 13, 1948;
The question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan will be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite;
A plebiscite will be held when it shall be found by the Commission that the cease-fire and truce arrangements set forth in Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948, have been carried out and arrangements for the plebiscite have been completed;

RESOLUTION 91 (1951) CONCERNING THE INDIA-PAKISTAN QUESTION SUBMITTED BY THE REPRESENTATIVES OF UNITED KINGDOM AND UNITED STATES AND ADOPTED BY THE SECURITY COUNCIL ON MARCH 30, 1951. (DOCUMENT NO. S/2017/REV. I, DATED THE 30TH MARCH, 1951)

Observing that the Governments of India and Pakistan have accepted the provisions of the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan resolutions of 13 August, 1948, and 5 January, 1949, and have re-affirmed their desire that the future of the State of Jammu and Kashmir shall be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite conducted under the auspices of the United Nations,

*RESOLUTION 98 (1952) ADOPTED BY THE SECURITY COUNCIL AT ITS 611TH MEETING ON 23 DECEMBER, 1952. (DOCUMENT NO. S/2883, DATED THE 24TH DECEMBER, 1952).

THE SECURITY COUNCIL,

Recalling its resolutions, 91 (1951) of 30 March 1951, its decision of 30 April 1951 and its resolution 96 (1951) of 10 November 1951, (which in turn points back to 13 aug 1948)

FF- 1971

RESOLUTION 303 (1971) ADOPTED BY THE SECURITY COUNCIL AT ITS 1606TH MEETING, ON 6 DECEMBER 1971.

THE SECURITY COUNCIL,
Having considered the item on the agenda of its 1606th meeting as contained in document S. Agenda/1606.

Taking into account that the lack of unanimity of its permanent members at the 1606th and 1607th meetings of the Security Council has prevented it from exercising its primary responsibility for the aintenance

on international peace and security,

Decides to refer the question contained in documents S/Agenda/1606 to the General Assembly at its twenty-sixth session, as provided for in Assembly resolution 377 A (V) of 3 November 1950. (which again build on the same 13 Aug 1948 )


RESOLUTION 307 (1971) ADOPTED BY THE SECURITY COUNCIL AT ITS 1616TH MEETING, ON 21 DECEMBER 1971.

THE SECURITY COUNCIL,

doesn't refer to any kashmir specific inquiries, instead talks of 1949 geneva conventios for Pakistani POW's.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...ecurity-council-resolution.html#ixzz2YkALukE8

that area is known as aksai chin

I know it. woh galti say mishtake ho gaya

 

[Ayush]

are koi baat nahi @Parul rote nahi..btw,u still in kashmir??

 

[Parul]

are koi baat nahi @Parul rote nahi..btw,u still in kashmir??

On Tuesday Morning! I came to Delhi!! Had to shorten my Trip by Three days , as cousin is getting engaged on Sunday


I'm not crying, I'm trying to show reality to wanna be

 

[Ayush]

On Tuesday Morning! I came to Delhi!! Had to shorten my Trip by Three days , as cousin is getting engaged on Sunday

enjoy

 

[Parul]

enjoy

My Kashmir thread has been closed . I've taken lot of pics from Kashmir Valley, soon start a new thread and post them.

My avtar pic is dedicated to @Armstrong....

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Oh my God, why did you bring this out? Kashmir's self appointed guardians across the border will now start crying. The fact that the UN is okay with Kashmir being democratically ruled by India is anathema to many Islamists. Just imagine what will happen if India accepts the conditions. Pakistan will have to find out an excuse to prevent it. India will lose face as law and order will be maintained by Indian authorities. Pakistan will lose 'Azad Kashmir'.

That said times have changed. There are regular tourists who come with guns but without passport and visa for target practice from the west of the valley. Situations have changed. And then we know there is a legitimate trust deficit. So in short - no way.

@Ilyas naik read this article, it may help you FORGET PLEBISCITE, AS ITS NOT POSSIBLE NOW

Often on this forum, aspersions are cast on UN security councils resolutions. Folowing might give a good understanding:

*RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND
PAKISTAN ON 13 AUGUST 1948. (DOCUMENT NO. S/1100, PARA 75, DATED THE
9TH NOVEMBER, 1948)

THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND PAKISTAN

Having given careful consideration to the points of view expressed by
the Representatives of India and Pakistan regarding the situation in
the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and

Being of the opinion that the prompt cessation of hostilities and the
coercion of conditions the continuance of which is likely to endanger
international peace and security are essential to implementation of
its endeavors to assist the Governments of India and Pakistan in
effecting a final settlement of the situation.

Resolves to submit simultaneously to the Governments of India and
Pakistan the following proposal

PART I

CEASE-FIRE ORDER

1. The Governments of India and Pakistan agree that their respective
High Commands will issue separately and simultaneously a cease- fire
order to apply to all forces under their control in the State of Jammu
and Kashmir as of the earliest practicable date or dates to be
mutually agreed upon within four days after these proposals have been
accepted by both Governments.

2. The High Commands of Indian and Pakistan forces agreed to refrain
from taking any measures that might augment the military potential of
the forces under their control in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. (For
the purpose of these proposals "forces under their control shall be
considered to include all forces, organized and unorganized, fighting
or participating in hostilities on their respective sides).

3. The Commanders-in-Chief of the Forces of India and Pakistan shall
promptly confer regarding any necessary local changes in present
dispositions which may facilitate the cease-fire.

4. In its discretions and as the Commission may find practicable, the
Commission will appoint military observers who under the authority of
the Commission and with the co-operation of both Commands will
supervise the observance of the cease-fire order.

5. The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan agree to
appeal to their respective peoples to assist in creating and
maintaining an atmosphere favorable to the promotion of further
negotiations.



PART II

TRUCE AGREEMENT

Simultaneously with the acceptance of the proposal for the immediate
cessation of hostilities as outlined in Part I, both Governments
accept the following principles as a basis for the formulation of a
truce agreement, the details of which shall be worked out in
discussion between their Representatives and the Commission.

1. (l) As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the
State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the
situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan
before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to
withdraw its troops from that State.

(2) The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavor to secure
the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and
Pakistan nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the
State for the purpose of fighting.

(3) Pending a final solution the territory evacuated by the Pakistan
troops will be administered by the local authorities under the
surveillance of the Commission.

2. (1) When the Commission shall have notified the Government of India
that the tribesmen and Pakistan nationals referred to in Part II A 2
hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was
represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as
having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu
and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistan forces are being withdrawn
from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to
begin to withdraw the bulk of their forces from the State in stages to
be agreed upon with the Commission

(2) Pending the acceptance of the conditions for a final settlement of
the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian Government
will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of cease-fire
the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the
Commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the
observance of law and order. The Commission will have observers
stationed where it deems necessary.

(3) The Government of India will undertake to ensure that the
Government of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will take all measures
within their power to make it publicly known that peace, law and order
will be safeguarded and that all human and political rights will be
guaranteed.

3. (1) Upon signature, the full text of the Truce Agreement or
communiqué containing the principles thereof as agreed upon between
the two Governments and the Commission, will be made public.


PART III

The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan reaffirm their
wish that the future status of the State of Jammu and Kashmir shall be
determined in accordance with the will of the people and to that end,
upon acceptance of the Truce Agreement both Governments agree to enter
into consultations with the Commission to determine fair and equitable
conditions whereby such free expression will be assured.


*The UNCIP unanimously adopted this Resolution on 13-8-1948.

Members of the Commission: Argentina. Belgium, Columbia,
Czechoslovakia and U.S.A.

*RESOLUTION ADOPTED AT THE MEETING OF THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION FOR INDIA AND PAKISTAN ON 5 JANUARY, 1949. (DOCUMENT NO. S/1196, PARA IS, DATED THE 10TH JANUARY, 1949)
Having received from the Governments of India and Pakistan in Communications, dated December 23 and December 25, 1948, respectively their acceptance of the following principles which are supplementary to the Commission's Resolution of August 13, 1948;
The question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan will be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite;
A plebiscite will be held when it shall be found by the Commission that the cease-fire and truce arrangements set forth in Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948, have been carried out and arrangements for the plebiscite have been completed;

RESOLUTION 91 (1951) CONCERNING THE INDIA-PAKISTAN QUESTION SUBMITTED BY THE REPRESENTATIVES OF UNITED KINGDOM AND UNITED STATES AND ADOPTED BY THE SECURITY COUNCIL ON MARCH 30, 1951. (DOCUMENT NO. S/2017/REV. I, DATED THE 30TH MARCH, 1951)

Observing that the Governments of India and Pakistan have accepted the provisions of the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan resolutions of 13 August, 1948, and 5 January, 1949, and have re-affirmed their desire that the future of the State of Jammu and Kashmir shall be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite conducted under the auspices of the United Nations,

*RESOLUTION 98 (1952) ADOPTED BY THE SECURITY COUNCIL AT ITS 611TH MEETING ON 23 DECEMBER, 1952. (DOCUMENT NO. S/2883, DATED THE 24TH DECEMBER, 1952).

THE SECURITY COUNCIL,

Recalling its resolutions, 91 (1951) of 30 March 1951, its decision of 30 April 1951 and its resolution 96 (1951) of 10 November 1951, (which in turn points back to 13 aug 1948)

FF- 1971

RESOLUTION 303 (1971) ADOPTED BY THE SECURITY COUNCIL AT ITS 1606TH MEETING, ON 6 DECEMBER 1971.

THE SECURITY COUNCIL,
Having considered the item on the agenda of its 1606th meeting as contained in document S. Agenda/1606.

Taking into account that the lack of unanimity of its permanent members at the 1606th and 1607th meetings of the Security Council has prevented it from exercising its primary responsibility for the aintenance

on international peace and security,

Decides to refer the question contained in documents S/Agenda/1606 to the General Assembly at its twenty-sixth session, as provided for in Assembly resolution 377 A (V) of 3 November 1950. (which again build on the same 13 Aug 1948 )


RESOLUTION 307 (1971) ADOPTED BY THE SECURITY COUNCIL AT ITS 1616TH MEETING, ON 21 DECEMBER 1971.

THE SECURITY COUNCIL,

doesn't refer to any kashmir specific inquiries, instead talks of 1949 geneva conventios for Pakistani POW's.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...ecurity-council-resolution.html#ixzz2YkALukE8



I know it. woh galti say mishtake ho gaya

 

[Parul]

Oh my God, why did you bring this out? Kashmir's self appointed guardians across the border will now start crying. The fact that the UN is okay with Kashmir being democratically ruled by India is anathema to many Islamists. Just imagine what will happen if India accepts the conditions. Pakistan will have to find out an excuse to prevent it. India will lose face as law and order will be maintained by Indian authorities. Pakistan will lose 'Azad Kashmir'.

That said times have changed. There are regular tourists who come with guns but without passport and visa for target practice from the west of the valley. Situations have changed. And then we know there is a legitimate trust deficit. So in short - no way.

Kashmir's self appointed guardians across the border are always crying . I wanted to show mirror to wanna be that Pebliscite cannot happen anymore, if Punjab and Bengal were divided and we are OK with it, lets just declare the LOC as border and call it quits, Militarily pakistan wont get an Inch from India and diplomatically India wont give and inch of land. India doesn't have the will or the interest to invade pakistan for kashmir. STATUS QUO

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Abso-(fcuking)-lutely correct

Kashmir's self appointed guardians across the border are always crying . I wanted to show mirror to wanna be that Pebliscite cannot happen anymore, if Punjab and Bengal were divided and we are OK with it, lets just declare the LOC as border and call it quits, Militarily pakistan wont get an Inch from India and diplomatically India wont give and inch of land. India doesn't have the will or the interest to invade pakistan for kashmir. STATUS QUO

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

jammu has got four muslim majority districts .leh has muslim majority and whole of kashmir is muslim majority so tell me which 2 regions r u talking of

Hello Sir...who the heck told you that Jammu and Leh Ladakh Muslims want independence??

Kashmir's self appointed guardians across the border are always crying . I wanted to show mirror to wanna be that Pebliscite cannot happen anymore, if Punjab and Bengal were divided and we are OK with it, lets just declare the LOC as border and call it quits, Militarily pakistan wont get an Inch from India and diplomatically India wont give and inch of land. India doesn't have the will or the interest to invade pakistan for kashmir. STATUS QUO

@Parul

Militarily and Diplomatically they can never take Kashmir.Even their experts say that militarily and diplomatically Kashmir cannot be won.

It is a lost battle for most of the sane Pakistanis.The rest are only promoting it for de-stabilising India.

 

[Parul]

@Parul Militarily and Diplomatically they can never take Kashmir.Even their experts say that militarily and diplomatically Kashmir cannot be won.

It is a lost battle for most of the sane Pakistanis.The rest are only promoting it for de-stabilising India.

Mate, I mentioned it in Post # 9. Pakistan can send all the Lashkars, Mujahideens, Talibs and other primitive lunatics will be sent to the same unmarked graves that their predecessors went to