41 years old Malaysian Iman marries 11-year-old 3rd wife

[Boss Dragun]

people get married for all kinds of reasons. But marriage as an institution has only one purpose -- raising families.

it's not that i disagree with you, but children were actually the fruit of the relationship, not the purpouse. well, bieng a husband and wife without child is also considered as family too though. the actual purpose to actually raising families is just like said before, adoption. marriage (nowadays) aren't the same as it was before.

 

[nang2]

it's not that i disagree with you, but children were actually the fruit of the relationship, not the purpouse. well, bieng a husband and wife without child is also considered as family too though. the actual purpose to actually raising families is just like said before, adoption. marriage (nowadays) aren't the same as it was before.

On the contrary, children are the purpose of marriage. childless marriages are exceptions, not norm. that is one of the reasons why government bothers itself with making laws about it. if marriage is just another form relationship between two consenting adults, like friendship, there is no need of having laws to regulate it.

 

[prashantazazel]

No apparently they allow 10 years to get married. Nearly 12 million Indian children were married before the age of 10 years–84% of them Hindu

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While the practice is wrong, the group is typically of the same age in India.
Only poor and backward people follow this here.

 

[I.R.A]

but i very much opposing a grown up man having sex with a under aged girl. cant be in the name of Allah.

This is wrong, and committing it under banner of Islam as some divine permission is nothing but sheer ignorance and done with malafide intentions.

Ask us Muslims of today, who was the first lady Messenger Muhammad (Peace be upon him) married? and what was her age at the time of marriage? and how long that marriage lasted? and did Messenger Peace be upon him enter another marriage contract during the currency of that first marriage? Ask us why don't we marry widows with children to imitate that act of Messenger Peace be upon him, as we vehemently try imitating other actions. You would know how ignorant we ourselves are about Islam.

Ask us Muslims if we have ever tried researching about true age of respected Ayesha, she was 19 years old at the minimum and some accounts say she was 40+ at the time of marriage with Messenger Peace be upon him, ask us if we know the reasons and circumstances under which that marriage happened ........ all we keep parroting out of our ignorance is that she was 6 years old and based on that lie it is okay to marry 6 years old girls. We (Muslims) have no idea and our pea brains won't accept that a minor could never accept that role and duties for which she was getting married to the Messenger. Ask us if Messenger had any children with Ayesha. None.

Ask us if we know marriage under Islam is a contract that requires both parties to fully understand the responsibilities, roles and ...... no contract can be executed unless both parties fully understand it and are willing to enter it ....... can a 11 year old understand that? Hell some of us Muslims are drunk at the time of signing this contract.

The word orphan mentioned in Quran doesn't only mean people who have lost their parents, it includes all the helpless and poor people of the society ........ ask us Muslims how many of us would knowingly marry a helpless poor widow. A very small percentage.

People wonder what's wrong ...... why Muslims are suffering why they are getting thrashed everywhere ...... what Muslims themselves don't understand is that its the law of requital that's in play ........ we are reaping the benefits of forgetting the true message and getting involved into all sorts of unjust pathetic acts.

 

[thesolar65]

since Zakir Naik is now a permanent resident of Malaysia, his preaching will bring these types of changes....

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

This is wrong, and committing it under banner of Islam as some divine permission is nothing but sheer ignorance and done with malafide intentions.

Ask us Muslims of today, who was the first lady Messenger Muhammad (Peace be upon him) married? and what was her age at the time of marriage? and how long that marriage lasted? and did Messenger Peace be upon him enter another marriage contract during the currency of that first marriage? Ask us why don't we marry widows with children to imitate that act of Messenger Peace be upon him, as we vehemently try imitating other actions. You would know how ignorant we ourselves are about Islam.

Ask us Muslims if we have ever tried researching about true age of respected Ayesha, she was 19 years old at the minimum and some accounts say she was 40+ at the time of marriage with Messenger Peace be upon him, ask us if we know the reasons and circumstances under which that marriage happened ........ all we keep parroting out of our ignorance is that she was 6 years old and based on that lie it is okay to marry 6 years old girls. We (Muslims) have no idea and our pea brains won't accept that a minor could never accept that role and duties for which she was getting married to the Messenger. Ask us if Messenger had any children with Ayesha. None.

Ask us if we know marriage under Islam is a contract that requires both parties to fully understand the responsibilities, roles and ...... no contract can be executed unless both parties fully understand it and are willing to enter it ....... can a 11 year old understand that? Hell some of us Muslims are drunk at the time of signing this contract.

The word orphan mentioned in Quran doesn't only mean people who have lost their parents, it includes all the helpless and poor people of the society ........ ask us Muslims how many of us would knowingly marry a helpless poor widow. A very small percentage.

People wonder what's wrong ...... why Muslims are suffering why they are getting thrashed everywhere ...... what Muslims themselves don't understand is that its the law of requital that's in play ........ we are reaping the benefits of forgetting the true message and getting involved into all sorts of unjust pathetic acts.

Blasphemy or whitewashing.

Which r u?

 

[I.R.A]

Blasphemy or whitewashing.

Which r u?

You have tried me before ......... its no use talking to you, you will end up declaring me a Non Muslim .... again.

 

[Hrk19]

This is wrong, and committing it under banner of Islam as some divine permission is nothing but sheer ignorance and done with malafide intentions.

Ask us Muslims of today, who was the first lady Messenger Muhammad (Peace be upon him) married? and what was her age at the time of marriage? and how long that marriage lasted? and did Messenger Peace be upon him enter another marriage contract during the currency of that first marriage? Ask us why don't we marry widows with children to imitate that act of Messenger Peace be upon him, as we vehemently try imitating other actions. You would know how ignorant we ourselves are about Islam.

Ask us Muslims if we have ever tried researching about true age of respected Ayesha, she was 19 years old at the minimum and some accounts say she was 40+ at the time of marriage with Messenger Peace be upon him, ask us if we know the reasons and circumstances under which that marriage happened ........ all we keep parroting out of our ignorance is that she was 6 years old and based on that lie it is okay to marry 6 years old girls. We (Muslims) have no idea and our pea brains won't accept that a minor could never accept that role and duties for which she was getting married to the Messenger. Ask us if Messenger had any children with Ayesha. None.

Ask us if we know marriage under Islam is a contract that requires both parties to fully understand the responsibilities, roles and ...... no contract can be executed unless both parties fully understand it and are willing to enter it ....... can a 11 year old understand that? Hell some of us Muslims are drunk at the time of signing this contract.

The word orphan mentioned in Quran doesn't only mean people who have lost their parents, it includes all the helpless and poor people of the society ........ ask us Muslims how many of us would knowingly marry a helpless poor widow. A very small percentage.

People wonder what's wrong ...... why Muslims are suffering why they are getting thrashed everywhere ...... what Muslims themselves don't understand is that its the law of requital that's in play ........ we are reaping the benefits of forgetting the true message and getting involved into all sorts of unjust pathetic acts.

you are making things up,ayesha was 9 not 19
you spouted that outa your mouth without any hadeeth to back up that claim.
this is not christianity where you can make up anything and present it as the truth without any proof

 

[I.R.A]

you are making things up,ayesha was 9 not 19
you spouted that outa your mouth without any hadeeth to back up that claim.
this is not christianity where you can make up anything and present it as the truth without any proof

Okay quote me the exact wordings of the tradition related to this (which you wrongly call hadees) .... first quote me that and then we will proceed further on demolishing the fairy tales that hypocrites invented to malign and disrespect not only the Mothers of Islam but Messenger and his companions as well ........ and how ridiculously parrots like you have been fooled in believing those traditions.

 

[Hrk19]

Okay quote me the exact wordings of the tradition related to this (which you wrongly call hadees) .... first quote me that and then we will proceed further on demolishing the fairy tales that hypocrites invented to malign and disrespect not only the Mothers of Islam but Messenger and his companions as well ........ and how ridiculously parrots like you have been fooled in believing those traditions.

okay,
this hadith for one
It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married me when I was six years old and he consummated the marriage with me when I was nine years old. We came to Madinah and stayed among Banu’l-Haarith ibn Khazraj, and I fell sick… My mother Umm Roomaan came to me when I was on a swing and some of my friends were with me. She called me loudly and I went to her, and I did not know what she wanted of me. She took me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house, as I was gasping for breath, until I had calmed down. Then she took some water and wiped my face and head with it, then she took me into the house. There were some women of the Ansaar in the house, who said: With good wishes and blessings and good luck. She handed me over to them and they adorned me, and suddenly I saw the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) at mid-morning, and they handed me over to him. At that time I was nine years old.
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (3894) and Muslim (1422)

or these

Narrated by al-Bukhaari (3894) and Muslim (1422)
It was narrated from her (may Allah be pleased with her) that she said: I used to play with dolls in the presence of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and I had friends who would play with me. When the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) entered they would hide themselves and he would call them to come and play with me.
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (7130) and Muslim (2440).
Abu Dawood (4932) narrated from her (may Allah be pleased with her) that she said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) came back from the campaign to Tabook or Khaybar and there was a curtain over her niche. The wind lifted the edge of the curtain and uncovered ‘Aa’ishah’s toy dolls. He said: “What is this, O ‘Aa’ishah?” She said: My dolls. He saw among them a horse with two wings made of cloth and he said: “What is this that I see in the midst of them?” She said: A horse. He said: “What is this that I see on it?” I said: Two wings. He said: “A horse with wings?” She said: Have you not heard that Sulaymaan had horses with wings? She said: And the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) smiled so broadly that I saw his eyeteeth.
Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Adaab az-Zafaaf (p. 203)

your turn,post some hadith to prove your claim
and i mean hadith not claims or arguments as they are irrelevant in the face of hadiths

 

[I.R.A]

your turn,post some hadith to prove your claim

Buddy first thing ........... please accept that the narrations you posted are not Hadeeth. Normally what we call Hadeeth is known as sayings and narrations associated directly with Messenger Peace be upon him, himself, his own words (which by the way are quoted as He Peace be upon him might have said so). What you have quoted are sayings of a child a six year old child, who was playing with dolls at that time ....... per your own account. Which I don't believe.

Second thing buddy this is what Quran says

"O you who have believed, it is not lawful for you to inherit women by compulsion............" 4:19

Third thing buddy .......... use your common sense please, how can a child playing with dolls, accept a marriage contract? How do you make such a child understand the role and responsibilities of a marriage contract.

Fourth thing I can bet you ........ you won't even remember how your great grandfather looked like, forget his sayings, and here you want me to believe something as truth and correct that was collected based on verbal accounts after nearly three centuries of passing of Messenger Peace be upon him.

We are not talking about any ordinary people here ...... for goodness sake.

The guy who narrated and associated these traditions ........ did this when he was in his old age, he couldn't properly see and remember, and he needed money ......... he never uttered a word like this in Madina but as soon as he went to Iraq, he invented this abrupt story.

Now try proving this chart wrong.

okay,
this hadith for one
It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married me when I was six years old and he consummated the marriage with me when I was nine years old. We came to Madinah and stayed among Banu’l-Haarith ibn Khazraj, and I fell sick… My mother Umm Roomaan came to me when I was on a swing and some of my friends were with me. She called me loudly and I went to her, and I did not know what she wanted of me. She took me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house, as I was gasping for breath, until I had calmed down. Then she took some water and wiped my face and head with it, then she took me into the house. There were some women of the Ansaar in the house, who said: With good wishes and blessings and good luck. She handed me over to them and they adorned me, and suddenly I saw the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) at mid-morning, and they handed me over to him. At that time I was nine years old.
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (3894) and Muslim (1422

Narrated by al-Bukhaari (3894) and Muslim (1422)
It was narrated from her (may Allah be pleased with her) that she said: I used to play with dolls in the presence of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and I had friends who would play with me. When the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) entered they would hide themselves and he would call them to come and play with me.
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (7130) and Muslim (2440).
Abu Dawood (4932) narrated from her (may Allah be pleased with her) that she said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) came back from the campaign to Tabook or Khaybar and there was a curtain over her niche. The wind lifted the edge of the curtain and uncovered ‘Aa’ishah’s toy dolls. He said: “What is this, O ‘Aa’ishah?” She said: My dolls. He saw among them a horse with two wings made of cloth and he said: “What is this that I see in the midst of them?” She said: A horse. He said: “What is this that I see on it?” I said: Two wings. He said: “A horse with wings?” She said: Have you not heard that Sulaymaan had horses with wings? She said: And the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) smiled so broadly that I saw his eyeteeth.
Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Adaab az-Zafaaf (p. 203)

At one hand you want me to believe that ALLAH's messenger ascended the heavens riding a Buraq ...... a horse with wings, and in the same book it is being said that Messenger didn't know a Horse with wings exists. If you cannot spot the obvious lies and insults ....... May ALLAH help you. But stop furthering this nonsense of marrying young girls based on a weak, fallacious, fairy tale. No matter what no girl would ever be mentally ready to consummate a marriage when she is just 9 years old.

 

[Hrk19]

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Buddy first thing ........... please accept that the narrations you posted are not Hadeeth. Normally what we call Hadeeth is known as sayings and narrations associated directly with Messenger Peace be upon him, himself, his own words (which by the way are quoted as He Peace be upon him might have said so). What you have quoted are sayings of a child a six year old child, who was playing with dolls at that time ....... per your own account. Which I don't believe.

Second thing buddy this is what Quran says

"O you who have believed, it is not lawful for you to inherit women by compulsion............" 4:19

Third thing buddy .......... use your common sense please, how can a child playing with dolls, accept a marriage contract? How do you make such a child understand the role and responsibilities of a marriage contract.

Fourth thing I can bet you ........ you won't even remember how your great grandfather looked like, forget his sayings, and here you want me to believe something as truth and correct that was collected based on verbal accounts after nearly three centuries of passing of Messenger Peace be upon him.

We are not talking about any ordinary people here ...... for goodness sake.

The guy who narrated and associated these traditions ........ did this when he was in his old age, he couldn't properly see and remember, and he needed money ......... he never uttered a word like this in Madina but as soon as he went to Iraq, he invented this abrupt story.

Now try proving this chart wrong.

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At one hand you want me to believe that ALLAH's messenger ascended the heavens riding a Buraq ...... a horse with wings, and in the same book it is being said that Messenger didn't know a Horse with wings exists. If you cannot spot the obvious lies and insults ....... May ALLAH help you. But stop furthering this nonsense of marrying young girls based on a weak, fallacious, fairy tale. No matter what no girl would ever be mentally ready to consummate a marriage when she is just 9 years old.

i told you i want hadith
not arguments as what you have said is invalidated by the hadiths i posted.
you have to prove your argument with hadith and since you cant,
we can conclude that you are wrong.
remember,you need to prove whatever view you come up wih from hadiths
otherwise its false

 

[I.R.A]

i told you i want hadith
not arguments as what you have said is invalidated by the hadiths i posted.
you have to prove your argument with hadith and since you cant,
we can conclude that you are wrong.
remember,you need to prove whatever view you come up wih from hadiths
otherwise its false

"Sayyidina Abu Huraira (RA) reported Allah's Messenger (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) as having said: A woman without a husband (or divorced or a widow) must not be married until she is consulted, and a virgin must not be married until her permission is sought. They asked the Prophet of Allah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam): How her (virgin's) consent can be solicited? He (the Holy Prophet) said: That she keeps silence. [Bukhari]"

Now either this is correct or the narrations you quoted and are associated with Hazrat Ayesha are correct. A 6 year old child is hardly in a position to consent to a marriage. And it is apparent from the deceitful narrations you posted that Ayesha wasn't even asked ....... forget about her age at that time and forget the dolls being so specifically mentioned in there.

And it is very saddening to see a fellow Muslim ignoring direct words of Quran and asking me to present a Hadeeth whereas he himself has failed to produce a direct saying of Messenger Peace be upon him.

May ALLAH give you some akal ............

 

[Suriya]

No apparently they allow 10 years to get married. Nearly 12 million Indian children were married before the age of 10 years–84% of them Hindu

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Most of these marriages are child marriages where both boy and girl are underage . They are also illegal and a punishable offence .

 

[Hrk19]

"Sayyidina Abu Huraira (RA) reported Allah's Messenger (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) as having said: A woman without a husband (or divorced or a widow) must not be married until she is consulted, and a virgin must not be married until her permission is sought. They asked the Prophet of Allah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam): How her (virgin's) consent can be solicited? He (the Holy Prophet) said: That she keeps silence. [Bukhari]"

Now either this is correct or the narrations you quoted and are associated with Hazrat Ayesha are correct. A 6 year old child is hardly in a position to consent to a marriage. And it is apparent from the deceitful narrations you posted that Ayesha wasn't even asked ....... forget about her age at that time and forget the dolls being so specifically mentioned in there.

And it is very saddening to see a fellow Muslim ignoring direct words of Quran and asking me to present a Hadeeth whereas he himself has failed to produce a direct saying of Messenger Peace be upon him.

May ALLAH give you some akal ............

they are both correct
the thing you misunderstand is that you say a nine year old cannot consent
but thats not what Islam says.
The validity of marriage to a minor girl is proven by the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):
“And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubt (about their periods), is three months; and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]”
[al-Talaaq 65:4]
So the ‘iddah for those who do not menstruate because they are too young is three months, and ‘iddah has to do with divorce after getting married, which indicates that the girls in question has been married and divorced.

if you still dont believe,then thats on you.
just dont spread falsehood