40,000 Bohras from all over world attending their annual congregation in Karachi, Pakistan

[Pakistani E]

Prayers and peace to the Bohra community of Pakistan and the world on this blessed occasion. May you forever prosper. Ameen.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

good luck with your view. head of wipro is a muslim , one of the biggest pharma is owned by muslim. Southern state of kerala which has more than

No point cherry picking a few Muslim success stories and talking about B'wood Khans how successful they are. It is all open and manifested how bad the condition of Muslims is in India.



INDIAN Muslims, according to the Sachar Committee report, are slipping below Dalits in terms of economic and educational status and the committee has given large data in this regard. This has also been acknowledged by the government of India. But who is responsible for this state of affairs — the Muslim themselves or the government? This is a major debate within the community.

https://www.dawn.com/news/881292

 

[punit]

India still is. The real issue for India was never the Muslim majority provinces of the Indus region. They could never have been "tamed" by India and could have broken off at any point post 1947. The real issue for India is the huge dispersed Muslim communties across mainland India where they form minority but still significant minority. That was the crux of the issue and that was not resolved by 1947 - that event only sorted the "Muslim majority region" problem.

So pakistan was made for those who are currently known as muhajir in india !!

 

[H!TchHiker]

I am not too sure whether these are consequence of other issues rather then being Muslim. In other words could being Muslim just be be a symptom of something deeper? For instance the Christians in Pakistan are at bottom of the pile. That is nothing to do with Christianity. Look at the worlds most advanced block - the West. It is all Christian.

The reason why Christians are at bottom of the socio-economic ladder in Pakistan is attendant to their past. They were dalit or unitiuchable or lower order Hindoos who converted to Christianity. Their low social station was just transferred to being Christian. Could this be the case for many Indian Muslims also?

.You have a point here but ,"Hindu Water "Muslim Water" echoed 70 years ago at Railway stations..One can imagine the deep rooted concern while unannounced will play the role in different scenarios..Imagine the Sikhs mostly low cast converts too but you will find them everywhere..
Do we have something like this in Pakistan ? For e.g if not Christians but some other minority holding such a high value positions ? I am not saying its right or wrong but just to have comparison..
:Nah…how can this happen in Mumbai, that too with a Bollywood star?” I heard many people say when Emraan Hashmi reported that he was having difficulty in finding an apartment due to his faith. Then it was Shabana Azmi. “I wanted to buy a flat in Bombay and it wasn't given to me because I was a Muslim and I read the same about Saif (Ali Khan). Now, I mean, if Javed Akhtar and Shabana Azmi cannot get a flat in Bombay because they are Muslims, then what are we talking about?”
Though i have no sympathy for above mentioned stars as they must have bad mouth Pakistan to prove there Indian identity in past specially Saif and Javed Akhtar

 

[TMA]

India still is. The real issue for India was never the Muslim majority provinces of the Indus region. They could never have been "tamed" by India and could have broken off at any point post 1947. The real issue for India is the huge dispersed Muslim communties across mainland India where they form minority but still significant minority. That was the crux of the issue and that was not resolved by 1947 - that event only sorted the "Muslim majority region" problem.

There should have been mini partitions as well in 1947. Bangladesh and other areas where Muslims formed a majority although the I don't think that was many places.

The Muslims of Bharat should all migrate to certain areas where they can become a majority to protect themselves.

I am not too sure whether these are consequence of other issues rather then being Muslim. In other words could being Muslim just be be a symptom of something deeper? For instance the Christians in Pakistan are at bottom of the pile. That is nothing to do with Christianity. Look at the worlds most advanced block - the West. It is all Christian.

The reason why Christians are at bottom of the socio-economic ladder in Pakistan is attendant to their past. They were dalit or unitiuchable or lower order Hindoos who converted to Christianity. Their low social station was just transferred to being Christian. Could this be the case for many Indian Muslims also?

The West is post Christian.

 

[xyxmt]

We are quite happy that it dint become another middle east. In fact even our enemy chinese would be happy having us as neighbor rather than a muslim country. But any way it was elitist muslims who claimed that they are different from us and seeing the events around the world that is certainly true. Would thank Jinnah for saving India for eternity.

Being shia's bohras would certainly favor India over other countries in south asia.

in that case India should let their muslim minorities free starting from KAshmir

 

[Well.wisher]

Whats bohraa

 

[padamchen]

That is the song your singing now. After the "bird flew" from the nest. In 1947 your people did everything to prevent the partition so please don't now colour it after the fact. My question is more directed to the "2NT" supporters. Did they get what they wanted?

2NT died stillborn.

Of course you know that.

1971 just hammered home the point.

On topic, just convinced a Bohra friend of mine in Gujarat to get a fancy high end bike and start grinding!

Cheers, Doc

I am not too sure whether these are consequence of other issues rather then being Muslim. In other words could being Muslim just be be a symptom of something deeper? For instance the Christians in Pakistan are at bottom of the pile. That is nothing to do with Christianity. Look at the worlds most advanced block - the West. It is all Christian.

The reason why Christians are at bottom of the socio-economic ladder in Pakistan is attendant to their past. They were dalit or unitiuchable or lower order Hindoos who converted to Christianity. Their low social station was just transferred to being Christian. Could this be the case for many Indian Muslims also?

Of course that's the case man.

The elite (most of them at least) moved to Pakistan.

When you take that into consideration, you will agree that our Muslims haven't done too bad at all. In Hindu majority India.

Of course, the winds of change are blowing. And that might no longer be the case. As we rush headlong into trying to become a Hindu version of you.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Baby Leone]

ohhh thats was reason of worst traffic jams few days ago...BTW i saw sooooooooo many bohra people in their clothing flooding all saddar streets....

 

[navtrek]

Looking at it purely from Muslim POV the partition of 1947 was a unmitigated disaster for the community. It divided the muslim and left huge chunk open to abuse by Hindus. Indeed if the idea of partition was to secure Muslims of the sub-continent it had exactly the opposite effect. The splintered Bohra community is reminder of this.

you have no idea how bohras have flourished in India. Sometimes i wonder why can all Muslims be like them. We have lived together and prospered.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

2NT died stillborn.

Of course you know that.

Died and reincarnated from its vegetative state, you know, thanks to the Sanghi, pro Hindutva government in India today.

2 NT actually never died even with the creation of B'desh. B'desh is still a predominantly Muslim state and and that was the idea behind the creation of a separate homeland.

you have no idea how bohras have flourished in India. Sometimes i wonder why can all Muslims be like them. We have lived together and prospered.

They have flourished in just about any corner of the world they live. In Pakistan too they are prosperous, something to do with their strong 'one community' concept and belief.

 

[navtrek]

Died and reincarnated from its vegetative state, you know, thanks to the Sanghi, pro Hindutva government in India today.

2 NT actually never died even with the creation of B'desh. B'desh is still a predominantly Muslim state and and that was the idea behind the creation of a separate homeland.




They have flourished in just about any corner of the world they live. In Pakistan too they are prosperous, something to do with their strong 'one community' concept and belief.

yes totally agree my respect for Islam just increased by leaps and bounds when i was a part of a friends wedding. They were just too good people to believe even existed.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

yes totally agree my respect for Islam just increased by leaps and bounds when i was a part of a friends wedding. They were just too good people to believe even existed.

True that, I have a Bohra friend as well and the actual meaning of the word Bohra is traders or a community of traders and entrepreneurs.

What you have witnessed is the true Islam, no concept of extremism in Islam if you go deeper and get the real gist out of it.

It is all about moderation, pluralism, inclusiveness and equality. Not he picture of Islam we see these days portrayed and painted deliberately.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

you have no idea how bohras have flourished in India. Sometimes i wonder why can all Muslims be like them. We have lived together and prospered.

For the obvious reason that they are first and foremost human beings. If you, Navtrek became Navtrek Husssain, or Navtrek David, or Navtrek Singh would the essential Navtrek become another person?

You will remain exactly like you are now - except some external makeover for your Muslim, Christian or Sikh iteration.

2NT died stillborn.

There never was "2NT" in the first place. What we had was "XNT". X= Many nations. 1971 confirmed that and it also killed the "1NT" as in one nation. Bangla did not coalesce back with India thus validating the "XNT".

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

That is the song your singing now. After the "bird flew" from the nest. In 1947 your people did everything to prevent the partition so please don't now colour it after the fact. My question is more directed to the "2NT" supporters. Did they get what they wanted?

Same can be said about Pakistan also. In 1971, before the "bird flew", the educated Pakistanis, the 1971 equivalent of today's PDF members, may have wanted to prevent disunion of West and East Pakistan. And now the current generation of Pakistanis are saying, "Good riddance. East Pakistan was a burden." Although Pakistani soldiers had used the "Getting rid of burden" line then itself immediately within days after the war ended.

Source: http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/dec/07spec.htm

There never was "2NT" in the first place. What we had was "XNT". X= Many nations. 1971 confirmed that and it also killed the "1NT" as in one nation. Bangla did not coalesce back with India thus validating the "XNT".

And that 'X' in XNT was simply X=3. Nothing more, nothing less.