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so that is the reason why our neighbors are doing
after second successful launch of A5 without knowing its actual range. another question is did DRDO tested this A5 for full range in the recent launch ??
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so that is the reason why our neighbors are doing
Wait for some time. We may hear from America as they monitor all missile and rocket launch all over.
In a news couple of month back, it was stated that A5 is to be tested for more than 7000 KM.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/263007-agni-iv-v-inducted-two-years.html
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Third test
In first test it failed, attained 900 KM altitude in second test and attained altitude of 800 KM+ in third test
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Prasun Sengupta says 50 tons includes the weight of the TEL and launcher (the canister system), along
with the missile.
50 tons is the projected weight of the entire TEL+Canister+Missile+some other stuff. The missile in
itself doesn't weigh more than 25-30 tons according to him.
with the missile.
50 tons is the projected weight of the entire TEL+Canister+Missile+some other stuff. The missile in
itself doesn't weigh more than 25-30 tons according to him.
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DRDO ( DRTROLL ) pay attention! The following is much more realistic and honest evaluation of Agni 5, from a Chinese in a Chinese military forum:
(Google translated, with some tiny grammar corrections by me)
" The entire series of all 5 series of Agni missile test-fired up to now do not add up to 20 times in the entire history. Any one serie of numerous Dongfeng missile tests is more than what all Agni series are combined. Agni missiles, if they were made of other countries, they can not simply suited for the purpose of production.
In fact, India's missile addressed only the issue of "have or have not , the question of good or bad, however, is completely out of the question. The combat readiness of Agni series ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 5) is entirely symbolic. And I can responsibly say that the sophitication level of India's missiles not only can not be mentioed with Chinas in one breath, they are even inferior to Pakistan , Iran, and North Koreas.
Agni missile currently has five models, but a total of two series. i.e. Agni 1, 2 and 4 is a series, The planned Agni 6 also belongs to this series. The technical source for them is SLV3 rocket . Agni 3 and 5 is the other series. The technical source for them is PSLV launch vehicle . We can clearly see that India's missiles in general are not like other countries which belong to military-to-civilian conversion. Indias missiles are of civilian-to-military conversion. This is not surprising , since India's rocket technology is the introduction of foreign civilian missile technology, rather than develop their own technology ( either solid fueled or liquid one ) .
Civilian rockets and ballistic missiles for military purpose are different. This difference brings heavy deficiencies to Indian missiles.
Obviously, Agni 1, 2, 4 and 6 are all too long and too thin, while Agni 3 and 5 are too heavy. These are based on civilian rocket prototypes which share some common problems: for the missile , it brings low reliability, poor mobility, and poor delivering ability .
Delivering ability :
Agni missiles delivering abilities are all low, coupled with the problem that its nuclear weight is too large. For the same range missile , Agni emphasis on the heavier weight and weaker power.
For example Agni-3 , and DF 3 , Dongfeng 21A are the same 3000 km or so missiles.
Dongfeng 3 weight 64 tons , capable of delivering 3 million tons level of nuclear warheads .
Dongfeng 21 weight 16 tons , capable of delivering of 700,000 tons -class nuclear warheads.
Agni 3 weight 50 tons , India is currently the largest nuclear warheads tested equivalent 20,000 tons ( 60,000 tons is planned ) .
Keep in mind that the weight of Agni-3 is even heavier than both heavy class DF-31 and Topol M,. Of course, Agni 5 is even heavier than Agni 3 .
Mobility:
If weight is heavy, naturally the maneuvering capability is worse . Agni 3 and 5 are much heavier than the Topol M , so they need a larger TEL ( carriage , verticle , firing three vehicles ) to carry . However, only two countries in the world produce this tonnage TEL - Russia and China ( the United States does not need it) . One can see those TEL on parade in Northe Korean. India can only be jealous, envy and hateful about it. No way China and Russia will sell this kind of TEL to India, So-called" road mobile " uou listen to India media is just a joke . As for Agni 1, 2 and 4 , Indias auto production sophitication level can only make it possible for those to walk aroundfor 1 lap or 2 in Indian national parade. Do not expect it though to make it really running on the road. You can compare TELs from Indian missile parades to their Chinese counterparts, youll notice that a lot of things are missing. Indian TEL is simply not a complete TEL.
As for so-called rail-mobile Agni, it is only theoretically possible. But seeing Agni 5 launch video , we understand that it is simply not a launch vehicle. It can only be called some kind of orbital vehicles only. lol, If that was rail mobile, then someone would say that China 's Long March 2F can also be called a " rail mobile launchers. Haha
Range:
Agni range is arguably the its only bright spot. But we need to know that its important not only to fire up the missile , but also to fly down . This is the re-entry issue. When warheads from outer space fly back to the earthe surface , their air speed friction can generate a lot of heat. If not handled properly, missiles will burn their warheads at re-entry. Further range missiles have, more serious the re-entry problem. In general, range up to 3,000 km is a tech hurdle , up to 5,000 km another hurdle, a ridge above 8,000 km another hurdle, etc. Only 3 countries: the United States , Russia, and China have truly solved the world's intercontinental missile warhead reentry problem. France and the United Kingdom have not solved the problem on on their own merit. The US give it to them. Is there a way around this hurdle? Yes, that is the high resistance of the big blunt nose , and let the angle warhead more gradual return to some of the atmosphere , so that warheads in flight in the upper atmosphere of the time a bit longer with fuller deceleration . But the consequences are significant decline in accuracy and the difficulity to be intercepted has declined dramatically. Even so the wearheads may still be burned out. Agni- 5 reentry problem is to the same. The result is that warheads of Agni 5 were burned . Of course, this may not be a failure , perhaps the Indians have no plans to completely verify the Agni 5 reentry problem anyway.
According to reports from India , Agni 5 validated 2000 degrees tempreture reentry problem. But this temperature is the level of medium-range missiles , ICBMs can reach 10,000 degrees . Realistically speaking, Indias reentry warhead technology has not exceeded what 3,000 kilometers millsiles require. If their missiles fly 5,000 kilometers , the burned-doen warhead that came down to the surface is probably no more than a scrap iron block.
Of course, calling Agni 5 with a range of only 5000 km , an ICBM, is very boring. Since India's geographical location is not good, hitting the United States needs more than 10,000 km range .
Agni missile 's range is not only unrealistic , but also the potential for increased range being very limited. Agni 5 is actually Agni- 3 with a small added 3rd level , with reduced the weight of the warhead. Tthe total weight increased from 1 to 3 tons ( India provided a large deviation ) , weight increase of about 5% . This missile can fly 5,000 kilometers at best, unlike what the media said that it has a range of 10,000km but only claim being 5,000km in order not to make the U.S angry. In the video of the launch of Agni-3, one can see very slow takeoff acceleration , takeoff thrust to weight ratio of about 1.4 to 1.5. Agni 5 series is even less. That is, the weight of over 50 tons of missiles , a takeoff thrust of only 70 tons, no wonder Agni 5 can not add more weight. It it did, it would have difficulity to take off.
Generally solid missile takeoff thrust-weight ratio is around 2.5 , Dongfeng 21A weighs about 16 tons , a takeoff thrust of more than 40 tons , if the weight gain of up to 20 tons, a takeoff thrust-weight ratio is a lot higher than the Agni 5 . And then DF 21A has 25% of the weight gain , easy to hit more than 8,000 km . Interestingly, there are some rumors online saying that Dongfeng 31 weighs 20 tons, with700 kg warhead and a range of 8,000 km. In fact, according to the tonnage of the Dongfeng 21 " extended range " counted out. But in fact if Dongfeng 31 than weighs 4 more tons than DF 21, no need for larger launching veicle. Dongfeng 31 weighs 40 tons, much lighter than Agni 5. It would easily deliver the same Agni 5 warhead to the twice distance.
Accuracy:
Speaking of accuracy, its embarrassing for the Indians. In1980s 580 mission to the South Pacific, China launched ICBMs with a range of over 9,000 km , draw the restricted area of about more than 50,000 square kilometers . In 2012 when India launched the Indian Ocean Agni 5 , a range of 5,000 km , it draw the restricted area of 600,000 square kilometers . 11 times larger.
The main factors affecting three errors are guidance level , the system horizontal control, and the external environment interference. In all these three areas India are problematic.
Inertial Navigation is the basis of all the navigation system . However, India is not capable of producing INS . Agni 5 laser inertial navigation is imported from Russia. But this INS is used in medium-range missile Agni 2 and Agni 3 . It is not suitable enough for the long-range missile like Agni 5.
As for System Control, lets say precision is not Indian tradition.
Lets talk about Interference with the external environment. As already said , the fire re-entry mode selected shape can reduce warheads and warheads heat generated by friction with the atmosphere , but the price paid is the greatly reduced accuracy. The greater the volume of warheads , the slower reentry is , the longer it flies in the atmosphere aerodynamic, the greater effects is generated random deviation. Of course, in the design and processing level the Indians are an embarrassment , which also achieved a notorious nickname of " Brownian Bomb ".(to borrow Brownian Motion term in Physics)
Reliability:
According to documented records , all five Agni series of missiles fired from the 1989 of total 17 times so far. The most test-fired Agni- 1 has 5 times only. Ballistic missiles in other countries are generally required about 20 times the test before stereotypes for production. Therefore , regardless of how much success rate of fire India has , from the angle of the number of optical tests , all five kinds of Agni missile missile can not even be stereotyped for production purpose in any other major powers. Or rather, the entire Agni series of missiles are in fact not be combat capable. India truly combat missile , Scud is similar to the earlier basic properties of Indias Earth 1 and the Earth 2 ( correct Hindi translation?) missiles with range of only 300 km level . This is why the Earth missile series, although extremely backward, are still strongly depended and empahsized by India .
Why India's missile sophistication level is even inferior to that of Pakistan, Iran and North Korea? These 3 countries have mature and reliable level of 2,000 km range ballistic missiles. Amongst these 3 countries: North Korea has the most mature technology - they started the 1st , and scored a number of Russian technology input; Pakistan has the most advanced technology it introduced the liquid fuel missile technology from Korea, and Chinese solid fuel missile technology. Dongfeng 11 and Dongfeng 15 from China , though not advanced, are in fact points of envy in eyes of today's India. DF11 and DF15 equivalent technologies ensure Pakistan ahead of India for at least one generation in the up-to 1,000 km level of ballistic missiles. And this advantage has begun to extend to 2,000 km level . Iran also has imported missile technologies from Korea , Russia and China. Among the 3 countries, Iran has the highest level of overall industrial and technical mastery. So it is also the first of these three countries to launch satellites."
(Google translated, with some tiny grammar corrections by me)
" The entire series of all 5 series of Agni missile test-fired up to now do not add up to 20 times in the entire history. Any one serie of numerous Dongfeng missile tests is more than what all Agni series are combined. Agni missiles, if they were made of other countries, they can not simply suited for the purpose of production.
In fact, India's missile addressed only the issue of "have or have not , the question of good or bad, however, is completely out of the question. The combat readiness of Agni series ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 5) is entirely symbolic. And I can responsibly say that the sophitication level of India's missiles not only can not be mentioed with Chinas in one breath, they are even inferior to Pakistan , Iran, and North Koreas.
Agni missile currently has five models, but a total of two series. i.e. Agni 1, 2 and 4 is a series, The planned Agni 6 also belongs to this series. The technical source for them is SLV3 rocket . Agni 3 and 5 is the other series. The technical source for them is PSLV launch vehicle . We can clearly see that India's missiles in general are not like other countries which belong to military-to-civilian conversion. Indias missiles are of civilian-to-military conversion. This is not surprising , since India's rocket technology is the introduction of foreign civilian missile technology, rather than develop their own technology ( either solid fueled or liquid one ) .
Civilian rockets and ballistic missiles for military purpose are different. This difference brings heavy deficiencies to Indian missiles.
Obviously, Agni 1, 2, 4 and 6 are all too long and too thin, while Agni 3 and 5 are too heavy. These are based on civilian rocket prototypes which share some common problems: for the missile , it brings low reliability, poor mobility, and poor delivering ability .
Delivering ability :
Agni missiles delivering abilities are all low, coupled with the problem that its nuclear weight is too large. For the same range missile , Agni emphasis on the heavier weight and weaker power.
For example Agni-3 , and DF 3 , Dongfeng 21A are the same 3000 km or so missiles.
Dongfeng 3 weight 64 tons , capable of delivering 3 million tons level of nuclear warheads .
Dongfeng 21 weight 16 tons , capable of delivering of 700,000 tons -class nuclear warheads.
Agni 3 weight 50 tons , India is currently the largest nuclear warheads tested equivalent 20,000 tons ( 60,000 tons is planned ) .
Keep in mind that the weight of Agni-3 is even heavier than both heavy class DF-31 and Topol M,. Of course, Agni 5 is even heavier than Agni 3 .
Mobility:
If weight is heavy, naturally the maneuvering capability is worse . Agni 3 and 5 are much heavier than the Topol M , so they need a larger TEL ( carriage , verticle , firing three vehicles ) to carry . However, only two countries in the world produce this tonnage TEL - Russia and China ( the United States does not need it) . One can see those TEL on parade in Northe Korean. India can only be jealous, envy and hateful about it. No way China and Russia will sell this kind of TEL to India, So-called" road mobile " uou listen to India media is just a joke . As for Agni 1, 2 and 4 , Indias auto production sophitication level can only make it possible for those to walk aroundfor 1 lap or 2 in Indian national parade. Do not expect it though to make it really running on the road. You can compare TELs from Indian missile parades to their Chinese counterparts, youll notice that a lot of things are missing. Indian TEL is simply not a complete TEL.
As for so-called rail-mobile Agni, it is only theoretically possible. But seeing Agni 5 launch video , we understand that it is simply not a launch vehicle. It can only be called some kind of orbital vehicles only. lol, If that was rail mobile, then someone would say that China 's Long March 2F can also be called a " rail mobile launchers. Haha
Range:
Agni range is arguably the its only bright spot. But we need to know that its important not only to fire up the missile , but also to fly down . This is the re-entry issue. When warheads from outer space fly back to the earthe surface , their air speed friction can generate a lot of heat. If not handled properly, missiles will burn their warheads at re-entry. Further range missiles have, more serious the re-entry problem. In general, range up to 3,000 km is a tech hurdle , up to 5,000 km another hurdle, a ridge above 8,000 km another hurdle, etc. Only 3 countries: the United States , Russia, and China have truly solved the world's intercontinental missile warhead reentry problem. France and the United Kingdom have not solved the problem on on their own merit. The US give it to them. Is there a way around this hurdle? Yes, that is the high resistance of the big blunt nose , and let the angle warhead more gradual return to some of the atmosphere , so that warheads in flight in the upper atmosphere of the time a bit longer with fuller deceleration . But the consequences are significant decline in accuracy and the difficulity to be intercepted has declined dramatically. Even so the wearheads may still be burned out. Agni- 5 reentry problem is to the same. The result is that warheads of Agni 5 were burned . Of course, this may not be a failure , perhaps the Indians have no plans to completely verify the Agni 5 reentry problem anyway.
According to reports from India , Agni 5 validated 2000 degrees tempreture reentry problem. But this temperature is the level of medium-range missiles , ICBMs can reach 10,000 degrees . Realistically speaking, Indias reentry warhead technology has not exceeded what 3,000 kilometers millsiles require. If their missiles fly 5,000 kilometers , the burned-doen warhead that came down to the surface is probably no more than a scrap iron block.
Of course, calling Agni 5 with a range of only 5000 km , an ICBM, is very boring. Since India's geographical location is not good, hitting the United States needs more than 10,000 km range .
Agni missile 's range is not only unrealistic , but also the potential for increased range being very limited. Agni 5 is actually Agni- 3 with a small added 3rd level , with reduced the weight of the warhead. Tthe total weight increased from 1 to 3 tons ( India provided a large deviation ) , weight increase of about 5% . This missile can fly 5,000 kilometers at best, unlike what the media said that it has a range of 10,000km but only claim being 5,000km in order not to make the U.S angry. In the video of the launch of Agni-3, one can see very slow takeoff acceleration , takeoff thrust to weight ratio of about 1.4 to 1.5. Agni 5 series is even less. That is, the weight of over 50 tons of missiles , a takeoff thrust of only 70 tons, no wonder Agni 5 can not add more weight. It it did, it would have difficulity to take off.
Generally solid missile takeoff thrust-weight ratio is around 2.5 , Dongfeng 21A weighs about 16 tons , a takeoff thrust of more than 40 tons , if the weight gain of up to 20 tons, a takeoff thrust-weight ratio is a lot higher than the Agni 5 . And then DF 21A has 25% of the weight gain , easy to hit more than 8,000 km . Interestingly, there are some rumors online saying that Dongfeng 31 weighs 20 tons, with700 kg warhead and a range of 8,000 km. In fact, according to the tonnage of the Dongfeng 21 " extended range " counted out. But in fact if Dongfeng 31 than weighs 4 more tons than DF 21, no need for larger launching veicle. Dongfeng 31 weighs 40 tons, much lighter than Agni 5. It would easily deliver the same Agni 5 warhead to the twice distance.
Accuracy:
Speaking of accuracy, its embarrassing for the Indians. In1980s 580 mission to the South Pacific, China launched ICBMs with a range of over 9,000 km , draw the restricted area of about more than 50,000 square kilometers . In 2012 when India launched the Indian Ocean Agni 5 , a range of 5,000 km , it draw the restricted area of 600,000 square kilometers . 11 times larger.
The main factors affecting three errors are guidance level , the system horizontal control, and the external environment interference. In all these three areas India are problematic.
Inertial Navigation is the basis of all the navigation system . However, India is not capable of producing INS . Agni 5 laser inertial navigation is imported from Russia. But this INS is used in medium-range missile Agni 2 and Agni 3 . It is not suitable enough for the long-range missile like Agni 5.
As for System Control, lets say precision is not Indian tradition.
Lets talk about Interference with the external environment. As already said , the fire re-entry mode selected shape can reduce warheads and warheads heat generated by friction with the atmosphere , but the price paid is the greatly reduced accuracy. The greater the volume of warheads , the slower reentry is , the longer it flies in the atmosphere aerodynamic, the greater effects is generated random deviation. Of course, in the design and processing level the Indians are an embarrassment , which also achieved a notorious nickname of " Brownian Bomb ".(to borrow Brownian Motion term in Physics)
Reliability:
According to documented records , all five Agni series of missiles fired from the 1989 of total 17 times so far. The most test-fired Agni- 1 has 5 times only. Ballistic missiles in other countries are generally required about 20 times the test before stereotypes for production. Therefore , regardless of how much success rate of fire India has , from the angle of the number of optical tests , all five kinds of Agni missile missile can not even be stereotyped for production purpose in any other major powers. Or rather, the entire Agni series of missiles are in fact not be combat capable. India truly combat missile , Scud is similar to the earlier basic properties of Indias Earth 1 and the Earth 2 ( correct Hindi translation?) missiles with range of only 300 km level . This is why the Earth missile series, although extremely backward, are still strongly depended and empahsized by India .
Why India's missile sophistication level is even inferior to that of Pakistan, Iran and North Korea? These 3 countries have mature and reliable level of 2,000 km range ballistic missiles. Amongst these 3 countries: North Korea has the most mature technology - they started the 1st , and scored a number of Russian technology input; Pakistan has the most advanced technology it introduced the liquid fuel missile technology from Korea, and Chinese solid fuel missile technology. Dongfeng 11 and Dongfeng 15 from China , though not advanced, are in fact points of envy in eyes of today's India. DF11 and DF15 equivalent technologies ensure Pakistan ahead of India for at least one generation in the up-to 1,000 km level of ballistic missiles. And this advantage has begun to extend to 2,000 km level . Iran also has imported missile technologies from Korea , Russia and China. Among the 3 countries, Iran has the highest level of overall industrial and technical mastery. So it is also the first of these three countries to launch satellites."
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just for 1 , out of numerous things:
have you dimwits have asked a simple question, EVER, that have you seen ANY photo/clip of DRTROLL recovering the warhead (the most important task of any long range missle launch for any country) of Agni 5?
NO?
Have you and your media's 81 brains ever asked why not?
because apart from no faint clue where it precisely is, DRTROLL even knows in the beginning that no bother to recover it, since the "warhead" has already burned out into some kind of crap iron block, melted together with whatever garbage in it, somewhere during its re-entry in space with about 5,000 or 6,000 degree tempreature
Is that your so called "China Killer"?,
that sh!t can't even kill a goose, assuming it eventually landed somewhere in China - which is a bit wild assumption.
just for 1 , out of numerous things:
have you dimwits have asked a simple question, EVER, that have you seen ANY photo/clip of DRTROLL recovering the warhead (the most important task of any long range missle launch for any country) of Agni 5?
NO?
Have you and your media's 81 brains ever asked why not?
because apart from no faint clue where it precisely is, DRTROLL even knows in the beginning that no bother to recover it, since the "warhead" has already burned out into some kind of crap iron block, melted together with whatever garbage in it, somewhere during its re-entry in space with about 5,000 or 6,000 degree tempreature
Is that your so called "China Killer"?
, that sh!t can't even kill a goose, assuming it eventually landed somewhere in China - which is a bit wild assumption.
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just for 1 , out of numerous things:
have you dimwits have asked a simple question, EVER, that have you seen ANY photo/clip of DRTROLL recovering the warhead (the most important task of any long range missle launch for any country) of Agni 5?
NO?
Has you and your media's 81 brains ever asked why not?
because even DRTROLL knows no bother, since the "warhead" has already burned out into some kind of crap iron block, together with whatever garbage in it, somewhere during its re-entry in space with about 5,000 or 6,000 degree tempreature
Is that your so called "China Killer"?
Don't be ashamed to take out your frustration .
You are just one among those numerous chinese losers who gets @ss burns over this news .
As for the reentry , here is a video of Agni1 with warhead performing an airburst . Let us see if you can comprehend something .
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^^^^^agni 1, you say? no more agni 5?
the reason you could see warhead of agni 1 is that it's mid range requiring low temp, unlike long range agni 5.
Indian media disclosed that indian Agni 5 can handle about 2,000 degree temp. To have a full recoverable agni 5 warhead, you need master technology of >5,000 degree tempreture. That is the question of the 22nd century, get it?
the reason you could see warhead of agni 1 is that it's mid range requiring low temp, unlike long range agni 5.
Indian media disclosed that indian Agni 5 can handle about 2,000 degree temp. To have a full recoverable agni 5 warhead, you need master technology of >5,000 degree tempreture. That is the question of the 22nd century, get it?
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AGNI has attracted attention of a amaetuer chef
Do you read Speeder 2's post?
He is a dimwit. I haven't even read even one of his posts, I just pass his posts
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The fact is, organisations such as DRDO and ISRO will have zero credibility except being laughing stocks if they were Chinese organisations, claiming the same bullcrap in Chinese TV or media.
"CEP of several meters"..."one of the most advanced in theworld"..."China killer", "a complete sucess","induction soon"... etc. etc claimed by DRDO & ISRO can not even cheat on an average 16-year-old in China with little or 0 military knowledge, while it can excite geenral Indian domestic audiences into tears. The fact reflects nothing but the drastic average IQ differences of the underlying populations.
A simple question Indians should ask is that can you believe if a country that can't get a simple workable bullet right but can somehow miraclely make workable missiles? Do you know any Indian master chef who can do banquets at ease while even doesn't know how to cook rice well or fry simple curry ?
I must admit that it's almost comical to face 1,000s of comments from multiple threads of sheer excitement of Indian reactions to this "China killer" on this board. It's like Kenyens are celebrating making the same space vehicle as NASA's.
Sureal it may be, 1 thing is certain though, that is the way things are going, DRTROLL will sonner or later nuke Mumbai or Banglore one day in one of its "Monte Carlo launches" before anything remote to "China Killer" or "Russia Killer" happens, guaranteed!, if it continues this amateurish and absurd Agni ego trip.
"CEP of several meters"..."one of the most advanced in theworld"..."China killer", "a complete sucess","induction soon"... etc. etc claimed by DRDO & ISRO can not even cheat on an average 16-year-old in China with little or 0 military knowledge, while it can excite geenral Indian domestic audiences into tears. The fact reflects nothing but the drastic average IQ differences of the underlying populations.
A simple question Indians should ask is that can you believe if a country that can't get a simple workable bullet right but can somehow miraclely make workable missiles? Do you know any Indian master chef who can do banquets at ease while even doesn't know how to cook rice well or fry simple curry ?
I must admit that it's almost comical to face 1,000s of comments from multiple threads of sheer excitement of Indian reactions to this "China killer" on this board. It's like Kenyens are celebrating making the same space vehicle as NASA's.
Sureal it may be, 1 thing is certain though, that is the way things are going, DRTROLL will sonner or later nuke Mumbai or Banglore one day in one of its "Monte Carlo launches" before anything remote to "China Killer" or "Russia Killer" happens, guaranteed!, if it continues this amateurish and absurd Agni ego trip.
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