2nd pilot

[M.Bison]

If you see the video, a person is indicating where the second jet is fallen and the crowd is moving towards that direction. It means the jet was fallen in side Pakistan.

Now, as for the second pilot, crowd has seen two pilots descending and it just assumed that both are Indians. It may be Pakistani also.

Only one nation which has both, the debris and the pilots in their possession, can clear the situation; and it is Pakistan.
Indian representative tomorrow has dared Pakistan to show the wreckage of planes and body of pilot to the world media if it claim it has shot two Indian jets.

Now don't say that other jet crashed in side Indian Kashmir, because in this video some one is clearly indicating the direction of second fallen jet and crowd is rushing towards that direction. It means that both the jets have fallen in side Pakistan.

Now the onus is on Pakistan to show the wreckage and body of second jet to world media and close this debate once for all.

where is the person talking about the second jet? which time?

 

[Yaseen1]

Mobile cameras are present everywhere if second pilot captured there must be his picture or video available

 

[Republic]

where is the person talking about the second jet? which time?

Towards the end

 

[M.Bison]

Towards the end

Give me the time? Just for reference because you made a point. I want to know where you heard that.

 

[Republic]

Give me the time? Just for reference because you made a point. I want to know where you heard that.

It's 2:34 I guess.

 

[M.Bison]

Towards the end

2:10 the first person starts to talk about second pilot " doosra Banda pacro"
2:22 again people yell about the second pilot.
2:43 the guy says "tiyara pichey pia" meaning the airplane is behind us. That could mean Abhinanadan's plane. the guy even replies that fauji chuk le ya... meaning the soldiers have taken it.
2:57 to the end they are talking about how he shot at them and they beat him. Someone even says shabash to him for beating him up. The guys ahead of the camera man call abhinanadan a banchode for shooting at them.

It's 2:34 I guess.

I think you don't know what tiyara means. They are not speaking Hindi so its hard to understand what they are saying.

 

[Republic]

2:10 the first person starts to talk about second pilot " doosra Banda pacro"
2:22 again people yell about the second pilot.
2:43 the guy says "tiyara pichey pia" meaning the airplane is behind us. That could mean Abhinanadan's plane.
2:57 to the end they are talking about how he shot at them and they beat him. Someone even says shabash to him for beating him up. The guys ahead of the camera man call abhinanadan a banchode for shooting at them.



I think you don't know what tiyara means. They are not speaking Hindi so its hard to understand what they are saying.

OK. So they are telling that the plane is behind them. That could mean MIG 21.

I am not insisting that the other jet is Pakistani. At least three four threads are running on the subject and everywhere people are debating the issue to no end.

My point is Pakistan army and government have conclusive evidence that can end this debate. If not the wreckage of plane, they can show the body of dead pilot, specially when Indian government is daring them to show.

 

[M.Bison]

OK. So they are telling that the plane is behind them. That could mean MIG 21.

I am not insisting that the other jet is Pakistani. At least three four threads are running on the subject and everywhere people are debating the issue to no end.

My point is Pakistan army and government have conclusive evidence that can end this debate. If not the wreckage of plane, they can show the body of dead pilot, specially when Indian government is daring them to show.

Pakistani army claims that the second jet fell in Indian occupied Kashmir. The evidence that they have shared shows the jet that Abhinandan was flying. Indian media and government does not guarantee that it would believe the evidence that Pakistan provides. So it is futile to give India evidence. The Indian Army did not even claim the first jet until the cat was out of the bag. They also tried to claim their own downed mig-21 as an f-16 so its really hard to convince people like that.

Now Indian government says that Pakistan's F-16 was downed by Abhinandan but it provided zero evidence to support this claim. It showed some scrap metal with serial numbers that are easily obtainable in public domain. Indians tried use that fabricated piece of metal to influence United States but that also back fired.

India also claims that it murdered 350 "terrorists" without any proof or due process. An act of blatant aggression against a sovereign country. India then failed to convince its on people about that so called surgical strike. It tried to demonize those people as traitors for asking simple questions. There are also non-biased sources that corroborate Pakistan's side of the story. The compound is still standing.

Pakistan has actually been very forth coming. Way more than it needs to. Pakistan is certainly not obligated to act on Indian government's dares. India however is obligated to support every claim that it makes to prove itself as a dominant power within the subcontinent.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I’m surprised they all speak Punjabi.

Its mirpur area which is in jammu and Its a potohari dialect due to close proximity with the cities like pindi gujar khan dina and jehlum in the potohar belt
There is a slight variation which thet can norice knowing exactly which city or town a speaker is from

 

[M.Bison]

Like how Pakistan allegedly refused to acknowledged that its soldiers were used and killed in Kargil till 2010? That Indian Army gave them an honorouble burial when PA refused to accept their bodies? Or the 71's war when Pakistan was winning till Dec 15th? India took 2 hours to verify the status of Abhinandan. It has to ascertain whether he was captured and that's normal time. And as per protocol, only after his family was informed in person, was the media interaction to agree to the capture took place.

I will give it to Pakistan for successfully creating an information warfare wing and creating its mirage and I do admire it. India is going court for alleged RAW spy. Democracy is quite strong in India and hence we are discussing National security issues like Rafale in open media. If the GoI hides something like this, it is the end of this govt. And it cannot be hidden. The Parliamentary committee on Defence had already grilled the Force Chief. There is some level of transparency in India even in Military matters. You cannot simply hide the loss of an jet and a Pilot who is also an officer. His family would be in streets by now protesting for him.

So the onus is on Pakistan is to prove the 2nd pilot is Indian theory is true. Until then, India is hiding its losses is BS theory with all due respect.

Indian democracy is a huge hoax. Modi is a known terrorist and until his election he was listed as such by many countries. He was actually banned from visiting the US and UK. That is a testament to how poorly democracy works in India. Look at what India is doing in Kashmir. I hope Modi gets elected again because once he does then you will realize how dead Indian democracy is. Then you can burn it's dead body and throw it in the Ganges river so the flesh eating turtles can eat it and shit out a "hindu" state.

Pakistan does not have to prove anything to India. Indian government and its media are trying to fool the population into believing that it is a super power. In reality India is a tyrannical regime that has used the poor people in its country to prop up a few rich brahmins.

 

[Imran Khan]

public ka josh dekh ker abhi nandan ko josh thanda par gya .

 

[Republic]

Pakistani army claims that the second jet fell in Indian occupied Kashmir. The evidence that they have shared shows the jet that Abhinandan was flying. Indian media and government does not guarantee that it would believe the evidence that Pakistan provides. So it is futile to give India evidence.

1. The dog fight happened in Pakistani air space. There must be some video of other aircraft.
2. Pakistan has black box of MIG. 21, It can show the recording.
3. Why should Pakistan concern for Indian satisfaction. Rather it should try to satisfy global media.

The Indian Army did not even claim the first jet until the cat was out of the bag. They also tried to claim their own downed mig-21 as an f-16 so its really hard to convince people like that.

There was no Indian government claim as you suggested. It were TV channels. Indian government only claimed that it has lost a mig 21 and Pilot is lost. When Pakistan declared that it has Indian pilot in its custody, Indian government again issued the statement that it is trying to ascertain the facts. It never never ever claimed that downed MIG was F16.

Now Indian government says that Pakistan's F-16 was downed by Abhinandan but it provided zero evidence to support this claim. It showed some scrap metal with serial numbers that are easily obtainable in public domain. Indians tried use that fabricated piece of metal to influence United States but that also back fired.

OK. leave it if it is inconclusive. But you have more strong evidence like black box recording of MIG 21 and dead body of the pilot. You can show it to the world.

India also claims that it murdered 350 "terrorists" without any proof or due process. An act of blatant aggression against a sovereign country. India then failed to convince its on people about that so called surgical strike. It tried to demonize those people as traitors for asking simple questions. There are also non-biased sources that corroborate Pakistan's side of the story. The compound is still standing.

Leave it. This is a different debate which is almost settled. The issue we debating about is identity of other jet and it's pilot. My take is Pakistan has enough evidence to clear the air. It should bring forward those evidences and end this debate once for all.

Pakistan has actually been very forth coming. Way more than it needs to. Pakistan is certainly not obligated to act on Indian government's dares. India however is obligated to support every claim that it makes to prove itself as a dominant power within the subcontinent.

I don't think so. ISPR has changed its version many times while Indian government never changed. Pakistan is sitting on the concrete evidences and not showing to world media. It should release the cat out of bag and shut our mouth once for all.

 

[Hayreddin]

2nd pilot identity , "nationality "will be shown at the time and place of our choosing .......

 

[khanmubashir]

The old iaf videos of abhinandan shows him piloting su30
Putting the pilot from su30 to mig21 flying coffins is a serious demotion
And su30 is a twin seater
As for people saying how can isrseli pilot sit in Russian su well we were also in USA camp still flew Soviet made jets for Soviet block Arab counteries in arab Israel wars

 

[Shabi1]

I don't think so. ISPR has changed its version many times while Indian government never changed. Pakistan is sitting on the concrete evidences and not showing to world media. It should release the cat out of bag and shut our mouth once for all.

Indian Officials.
1. We made surgical strike deep in Pakistan
2. We killed 200-300 militants.
3. We have not lost any jets.
4. WC Abhinanadan took off in Mig-21 took off hasnt returned.
5. We lost one helicopter due to technical faults
6. We lost one Mig-21 due to technical faults
7. We lost one Mig-21 to SAM.
8. We do not count casualties we count targets
9. We might not have crossed into Pakistan.
10. We didnt cause any casualties in Pakistan
11. Mi-17 might have been an own goal and shot by ourself.

In the mean time entire Indian media got a sever question mark from international experts and media when it was adamant that it had F-16 crash pictures but turned out to be Mig-21. Even no correction.

Pakstani Officials
1. We shot two jets one pilot at CMH and second in custody. There is report of a third we are checking
2. One InAF pilot in custody of Pakistan army. Videos to be shared soon

Pilot at CMH is believed to be dead, so that statement 2 is very valid. Everything will be clarified once threat has subsided.

Pakistan media and ARY in particular in the beginning used old video of other crashes but correction made.

But keeping in view of above it is a no brainer why Indian Military has become a joke internationally.


There is no credibility of InAF for us specially after they show their own wrecks as PAF kills so you should rather refrain and keep at your own bharti forum.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fail...-their-own-aircraft-stated-as-paf-f-6.448372/