22 Months of PTI Govt

[AZ1]

The JIT has nothing to do with 18 amendment. It is a federal responsibility.

then why Sindh Govt public it?

 

[Morpheus]

The JIT has nothing to do with 18 amendment. It is a federal responsibility.

The courts have higher power. Look at how a stay order from SHC has prevented the Federal Govt from taking action against the sugar mafia.

 

[shahbaz baig]

then why Sindh Govt publish it?

Sab ne mil kr Mamo banaya hai awaam ko khas tor se karachi ki awaam ko

 

[AZ1]

Sab ne mil kr Mamo banaya hai awaam ko khas tor se karachi ki awaam ko

and why SC is quiet on this? should take notice then.

I see the same thing when sugar JIT report was going to public. People first say no report will be public, then say look even if its public PTI supporter name will not be there, then IK will not do anything against Jhangir tareen and this and that.

After all things happened final was court gave stay order and stopped govt to do anything against sugar mafia.

Thing is people have set because this is what media has set for them target govt and wrap anytying else under govt name. If court is not giving right order it's govt fault. if govt not taking case it's govt fault. if court let go corrupt on 50 rupees stamp paper it's govt fault.

 

[shahbaz baig]

and why SC is quiet on this? should take notice then.

I see the same thing when sugar JIT report was going to public. People first say no report will be public, then say look even if its public PTI supporter name will not be there, then IK will not do anything against Jhangir tareen and this and that.

After all things happened final was court gave stay order and stopped govt to do anything against sugar mafia.

Thing is people have set because this is what media has set for them target govt and wrap anytying else under govt name. If court is not giving right order it's govt fault. if govt not taking case it's govt fault. if court let go corrupt on 50 rupees stamp paper it's govt fault.

1. Joint investigation teams from ISI, MI and other federal institutions collectively gather to get information and proves regarding the particular cases. Hence JIT is a federal subject.

2. Federal Govt has the orignal JIT in which all the political crimnals of PPP are mentioned but federal Govt is not responding therefore federal (PTI is also responsible)

3. ISI & MI signed the first JIT report.

Hence proved all are involved to give safe passage to PPP. Let us see if supreme court take “Suo motu" or not. Let us see if federal submit petition or not.

 

[AZ1]

1. Joint investigation teams from ISI, MI and other federal institutions collectively gather to get information and proves regarding the particular cases. Hence JIT is a federal subject.

2. Federal Govt has the orignal JIT in which all the political crimnals of PPP are mentioned but federal Govt is not responding therefore federal (PTI is also responsible)

3. ISI & MI signed the first JIT report.

Hence proved all are involved to give save passage to the PPP. Let us see if supreme court take “Suo motu" or not. Let us see if federal submit petition or not.

Federal will not submit petition because knowingly our court and their decision it will also fall on govt once court give decision ppp favor. Not politically good move.

 

[shahbaz baig]

Federal will not submit petition because knowingly our court and their decision it will also fall on govt once court give decision ppp favor. Not politically good move.

I don't think by not submitting the petition, PTI can get political benefits in future , PTI should submit petition at least and wait for the results.

to give safe passage to political crimnals who are basically a traitor of Pakistan and backstabbed Pakistan by passing secret information to others, by passing information of military installations to Iran and because of this we see the courage of RAW involvement in balochistan & sindh I.e kalbushan yadev. WTH our institutions are doing to give safe passage to them.

 

[Morpheus]

I don't think by not submitting the petition, PTI can get political benefits in future , PTI should submit petition at least and wait for the results.

to give safe passage to political crimnals who are basically a traitor of Pakistan and backstabbed Pakistan by passing secret information to others, by passing information of military installations to Iran and because of this we see the courage of RAW involvement in balochistan & sindh I.e kalbushan yadev. WTH our institutions are doing to give safe passage to them.

https://arynews.tv/en/uzair-baloch-suo-motu-ali-zaidi/


"Addressing a joint press conference here in Islamabad with Federal Information Minister Shibli Faraz, the PTI minister presented the separate JIT report and criticized the report released by the Sindh government for not having important information."

 

[shahbaz baig]

https://arynews.tv/en/uzair-baloch-suo-motu-ali-zaidi/


"Addressing a joint press conference here in Islamabad with Federal Information Minister Shibli Faraz, the PTI minister presented the separate JIT report and criticized the report released by the Sindh government for not having important information."

Thank you so much for informing me. There is still a hope for bright future of Pakistan.
I did not know that sindh Govt edited the orignal JIT report, it is another straightforward crime by sindh Govt.

 

[Morpheus]

Thank you so much for informing me. There is still a hope for bright future of Pakistan.
I did not know that sindh Govt edited the orignal JIT report, it is another straightforward crime by sindh Govt.

I just hope the court do something, and not side with PPP.

 

[Patriot forever]

1. Joint investigation teams from ISI, MI and other federal institutions collectively gather to get information and proves regarding the particular cases. Hence JIT is a federal subject.

2. Federal Govt has the orignal JIT in which all the political crimnals of PPP are mentioned but federal Govt is not responding therefore federal (PTI is also responsible)

3. ISI & MI signed the first JIT report.

Hence proved all are involved to give safe passage to PPP. Let us see if supreme court take “Suo motu" or not. Let us see if federal submit petition or not.

I think Ali Zaidi gave the original report to media.
I do not know why but the report is under Sindh government not Federal. They didn't release the report for a long time and it is being released the edited version after court hearing.

 

[shahbaz baig]

I think Ali Zaidi gave the original report to media.
I do not know why but the report is under Sindh government not Federal. They didn't release the report for a long time and it is being released the edited version after court hearing.

Now I have understood that why federal Govt did not release the orignal report because federal Govt was waiting for provincial Govt to sign this JIT.

The Uzair Baloch JIT had six people- one person from special branch of the provincial government, one person from Crime Investigation Department which comes under Sindh government, one from Inter-Services Intelligence which comes under the federal government, one person from Intelligence Bureau (under federal government), one from Rangers (under federal government), and one person from military intelligence (under federal government),”

If you see all 4 federal officers signed this JIT except 2 provincial Govt officers, sindh Govt uploaded this edited JIT report to sindh home department website despite the fact that it is a responsibly of federal Govt to publish such JIT report.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

One of the things to discuss as an 'achievement', that may not be as tangible as development projects, should also be the environment of openness and criticizm (of the government) the PTI has created. The release of investigation reports, straightforward statements on goals and what needs to be done for the country etc.

Yes, implementation may be far from satisfactory on the above, but the environment that has been created is an important and positive change for an evolving democratic system.

@Jungibaaz As always, would love to hear your views on this, even if you disagree.

 

[Ocelot]

The act of ignorance by PTI for karachits will not be tolerated & next time karachits would not vote.

Can you state clearly what are your expectations from PTI in Karachi? Like all roads fixed, mega flyovers, more gardens? In what way PTI govt. can help Karachi while abiding by 18th amendment and without any Governor raj?

 

[Jungibaaz]

One of the things to discuss as an 'achievement', that may not be as tangible as development projects, should also be the environment of openness and criticizm (of the government) the PTI has created. The release of investigation reports, straightforward statements on goals and what needs to be done for the country etc.

Yes, implementation may be far from satisfactory on the above, but the environment that has been created is an important and positive change for an evolving democratic system.

@Jungibaaz As always, would love to hear your views on this, even if you disagree.

Don't you mean especially if I disagree?

Actually I saw this thread earlier, it's a decent summary of all the positive steps this government has taken, contributed to or continued etc.

As for the environment of criticism and democratic spirit, I have to disagree here, while criticism of this government has been at times heavy, and disproportionate as well as unfair. Journalists have been complaining about their free speech being stifled, politicians too. Both say that they're being bludgeoned through the use of NAB, FIA, even ANF in the case of one, and of course PEMRA on the journos. That's not to say everyone these people target are innocent, or that in all cases we're seeing victimisation.

To be fair to IK, Nawaz Sharif when he first came to power was an intolerant tyrant and trampled media, BB when she first came to power, she tried to curb criticism actively. Since then they learned better, both had been far more open about allowing criticism in their latter terms, NS was a little bit more dense and only really for the picture in 2013. This government has outwardly done the same, but IMO the steps they've taken under the guise of departmental diligence have had agendas of political victimization baked in. I know you will now proceed to demand a weight of evidence I cannot give you, but pls feel free to disagree.

Again, to be really fair to IK on one more thing. IK has received a lot of unfair blame and hate for the state of the government's finances, inflation, low growth, lack of employment prospects. But I've always maintained even within my own circles that this is unfair criticism, he inherited a bad economy and suffered covid through no fault of his own or his government's. Lastly, one last olive branch, criticism of the government has been heavy and very free on social media if not on TV, I think this has happened for a multitude of reasons:

Firstly, some of those very critical anchors/political analysts of IK claim that they were thrown off the air by pressure on their networks. Najam Sethi, Syed Talat Hussain, whatever you think of these men and whatever you think of their claims, their stated reasons for starting youtube programs is that their corporate media houses faced pressure from various places, not least PEMRA, and keeping their bottom line in mind they were dismissed, hence they started up on youtube. Second reason why online criticism has picked up traction is that it is growing everywhere anyway. Take a look at PDF, our social media presence was nil outside the forum, today it is one of the biggest in Pakistan. Lastly, youtube was banned until 2016, you will remember in order to find Pakistani political programs online one had to frequent dailymotion and vimeo, since then there's an explosion of all kinds of content on youtube, including political programming.

So whoever comes to power next will also the same degree of criticism on social media platforms that this government has, their own performance and the national economic circumstance notwithstanding.

Now again, at the risk of derailing this thread. We can continue the media freedom discussion elsewhere. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here... this thread is about listing/celebrating PTI's achievements in power, I have no objection whatsoever.