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2000 kN Semi-Cryogenic Engine SCE-200 replacing L-110 Core Stage in LVM3 to be ready in 6-8 months

Oh please - which sort of hypocrite diet is given to your populace? Don't try to spin things you can't spin! It's like we testing our nukes and using test facilities of France to make better nukes............... it's all the same............... no difference whatsoever!

What you trying to say ? France developing nuclear weapons for for India ? If you have trust issue then deal with it . You sound awkward now . SC engine project is more than 7 years old and India already completed 80% of testing and validation of the systems and subsystems . Even India using US facilities for AMCA design so US building AMCA for India ....? What kind of logic is this ? When official statements are made its the end of the debate . If you want you can give it a spin to calm down your burning sensation .

End of the day in 6/8 months India will overtake China to become third only country to develop our own "INDIGENOUS" Semi cryogenic engine technology ! Point to note by just replacing Engine on same GSLV mk3 platform we increased play load capacity by 2 ton for GTO and 4 T for LEO . Once we increase its size we could maximise our capacity to large cluster of heavy and high performance satellite in a single launch instead of choosing France or US agencies rockets .

Don't you think you should give a huge credit to India as we know what we have achieved when another country with same DNA lost it completely ? That too when cruise missiles like babar becomes Asia's most dangerous development but SC technology is not worth it ?

Lol I petty you .
 
My point exactly........ it's one of the biggest proliferator of every rule that it itself set........ my point here is the self-righteous stance of United States, which has the moral standing of a bitch in heat!
Thats how the global politics works. Russia is not doing any charity, they know indian programme is at final stage so they are scoring some brownie points. Dint america see the other way when pakistan was proliferating nuke/missile technology and is indulging in global terrorism? Irony is that MTCR,NSG was all started to prevent india from acquiring technology after 1974 test. Now the very same regimes are broken down to accommodate india.

burn baby burn :flame::flame:. Atleast start a burnol producing factory in pakistan.
 
UNIFIED LAUNCH VEHICLE (ULV): THE FUTURE SATELLITE LAUNCH VEHICLE OF INDIA: A REAL BEAST IS TAKING SHAPE
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While having the highly reliable PSLV operational for many years, and the GSLV Mk-II with the indigenous cryogenic engine (CE-7.5) and CUS (C-15) roaring away into the sky amidst glory, and finally the human rated monster rocket GSLV Mk3 heading to its first experimental flight by mid December, another important development is underway at ISRO, unknown to many and for the past couple of years ISRO has been working on a future vehicle series which is modular in its design and structure, developed primarily in the aim to simplify vehicle integration, efficiency in operations and in the long run achieve major cost accruals. The new series of ULV's will eventually replace the PSLV and the GSLV launch vehicles. ISRO has named it the Unified Launch Vehicle or ULV. As stated in several ISRO resources, the ULV will be a series of 3 to 4 expendable launch vehicles and will feature common liquid stages for all variants resulting in considerable amount of cost benefits, usability, maintainability and reliability.


Though the media has hyped much about GSLV-MkIII as a "Monster" rocket but it is however the ULV which will be a true blue "Monster". This will be the real coming of age for Indian space technology and capabilities which will make India on par with more advanced space fairing nations, it will also augment ISRO's commercial prospects to a very large extent. ULV will also be used to send the first Indians to the Moon and bring them back safely back to earth, and it is certain that the ULV will be used for sending India's own space station into orbit. Besides, we can expect India in a couple of decades aim to send humans to Mars and beyond.

The vehicle, as its name suggests will unify ISRO's various class of launch vehicles which is currently being used into a single launch vehicle. The plan is to have a common liquid semi-cryogenic core as the First stage with variable fuel loading capabilities for all of its variants. The Second stage will also be equipped with a Cryogenic stage which will be highly configurable thus having the ability to satisfy various payload requirements of customers. Currently ISRO has launched the CE-7.5 (Pictured above), which powered the GSLV-Mk2 in January 2014, the other engine currently under development for the Mk-III is the CE-20, further developments are either in progress or planned such as the CE-60 and the CE-100 engines. The vehicle will mate solid propellant Strap-on boosters of different variations (S12, S60, S138, and S200) for the boost phase. Hence, by adjusting the fuel and power levels of the stages, a single launch vehicle can be used to launch various payload mass thus eliminating the requirement to have multiple launch vehicles, this is the sole aim of the ULV project.


ISRO's Semi-Cryogenic Engine

The first stage is liquid Oxygen (LOX) and ISROSENE (indigenous propellant-grade kerosene) powered semi-cryogenic engine (SC-160) with 2000 kn. thrust output and will serve as the main booster of the launch vehicle. The 2nd stage of the launch vehicle is a cryogenic stage. For now ISRO has planned to use the CE-20 cryogenic engine actually designed for the GSLV MK3 but in future they plans to replace it with more powerful cryogenic engines/stages (CE-60, CE-100). There also will be various magnitudes of “variable fuel loading” solid boosters (S-200, S-138, S-60, S-12 etc.) as strap-on boosters which will help in liftoff in boosting phase with heavy payload in various payload mass requirements.


About Cryogenic Rocket Stage

A Cryogenic rocket stage is more efficient and provides more thrust for every kilogram of propellant it burns compared to solid and earth-storable liquid propellant rocket stages. Specific impulse (a measure of the efficiency) achievable with cryogenic propellants (liquid Hydrogen and liquid Oxygen) is much higher compared to earth storable liquid and solid propellants, giving it a substantial payload advantage.

Variants
● The basic version of the ULV uses six S-12 booster and has a launch mass of 274 t. The payload is 1.5 t to GTO and 4.5 t to LEO.
● The second version uses two S-60 booster and has a launch mass of 340 t. The payload is 3 t to GTO or 10 t to LEO.
● The third version uses two S-138 booster and has a launch mass of 560 t. The payload is 4.5 t to GTO and 12 t to LEO.
● The most powerful variant will use the S-200 booster of the GSLV Mk3 and has a launch mass of 700 t. The payload is 6 t to GTO and 15 to LEO.
But as per requirements by the launch mass, ULV can have other variants too.
The ULV is expected to become operational by 2030±3.
Research and Developmental activities of ULV has been initiated as the Union Cabinet approved the development of Semi Cryogenic Engine technology at a estimated cost of Rs. 1,798 crores with a foreign exchange component of Rs. 588 crores. The objective is to design, fabricate and test this advanced technology in India within a span of six years and the engine is likely to ready under current estimates by 2018-20.

Specifications of the Semi-Cryo Engine is as follow:
Thrust (vacuum) - 2000 kN
Isp (vacuum) - 3285 N-s/kg
Chamber Pressure - 18 MPa
Mixture Ratio - 2.65
Thrust Throttling - 65-105 (% of nominal thrust)
Engine gimbal - 8 degrees (in two planes)

The Current State of the Semi-Cryogenic engine Development, as stated by ISRO:

The Semi-Cryogenic engine is planned to be developed and qualified over a span of 6 years. In this, the first four years is planned for subsystem development and the remaining two years will be used for development and qualification of the engine. The facilities needed for testing also has to be made ready in 4 years.

The Preliminary Design Review (PDR) for Semi-cryogenic engine development has been completed. Preparation of fabrication drawings of subsystems has been completed. A MOU has been signed with NonFerrous Materials Technology Development Centre (NFTDC)* to realize copper alloy component for the Thrust Chamber. Single element Pre-Burner (PB) injector has been realized and injector spray characterization using Particle Image Velocimetry (PIV)was carried out. Test facility for single element pre-burner commissioned at PRG facility, VSSC. Semi Cryo Test facility design by M/s Rolta has been completed. [*NFTDC: NonFerrous Materials Technology Development Centre (NFTDC) is an autonomous R&D Centre located in Hyderabad, Telangana, India.]


Flame Deflector with Water Spray System for sound suppression installed on the Launch Pad

Design of the Semi Cryo Engine including heat exchanger and ejector has since been completed Fabrication drawings and documents are generated based on the PDR and joint reviews. Configuration design of subscale engine model is completed. Preliminary Design Review (PDR) of Hydraulic Actuation System (HAS) and Hydraulic Power System (HPS) for Engine Gimbal control is completed and Technical specifications are finalized.

Single Element Pre-Burner injector element has been hot tested successfully. Ignition of LOX/ Isrosene propellant with hypergolic slug igniter and flame holding, demonstration of safe handling of pyrophoric fluid TEA, validation of start sequence, characterization of injector elements and qualification of Hayness-214 material are the major achievements of the tests. 13.5 Design of single element thrust chamber is completed and fabrication drawings are generated. Single element thrust chamber injector elements are realized and cold flow tests were carried out. Special pre burner which will provide hot gases for testing the single element thrust chamber has been realized.

Realization of semi-cryogenic engine involves the development of performance-critical metallic and non-metallic materials and related processing technologies. 23 metallic materials and 6 non-metallic materials have been developed.

Characterization of injector elements and hypergolic slug igniters with different proportion of Tri-ethyl Aluminium and Tri-ethyl Boron has been completed. Sub-scale models of thrust chamber have been realized and ignition trials have been carried out successfully. Single ele-ment thrust chamber hot test in stage combustion cycle mode was also conducted successfully.

Establishment of test facilities like Cold Flow Test Facility and Integrated Engine Test Facility are un-der various stages of realization. Fabrication drawings are realized for all sub-systems and fabrication of booster turbo-pump and pre-burner subsystem commenced.

The semi cryogenic engine uses a combination of Liquid Oxygen (LOX) and ISROSENE as propellants, which are eco-friendly and cost effective. Design of single element thrust chamber was completed and single element thrust chamber injector elements realised and cold flow tested. A rubber composition resistant to ISROSENE was also qualified. Rectangular rings, gaskets and O-rings for control components and turbo pump of semi cryogenic engine as well as Tri-ethyl aluminum (TEA) based hypergolic igniter have also been developed. Hot test was carried out with LOX step injection mode on semi cryogenic pre-burner injector at high pressure after completing cold flow trials and sequence validation tests. Further tests with step injection for ISROSENE and LOX are planned.

References:
https://defence.pk/…/india-will-develops-a-new-series-of-sl…/
http://www.b14643.de/Spacerocke…/…/ULV/Description/Frame.htm
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=31827.0
http://antariksh-space.blogspot.in/…/isro-unified-launch-ve…
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum13/topic13732/
http://www.frontline.in/…/in-mission-mode/article4945199.ece
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hey guys dont u feel tht most of the pakistani forum members always feel their asses on fire when ever their is news about achievement of india space technology , its not this time even during mars mission same thing happened.
 
@Chanakya's_Chant ...... Is there any official literature avaliable from ISRO about the variants of ULV ??

Nothing official - has only been referenced in interviews, annual reports and at times PPT presentations - More like a combination of existing launch vehicle stages - ULV is basically a common core and upper stage, with four different boosters. The core stage is SCE-200 and all four version of boosters are solid motors, with at least three versions reusing current motors from the PSLV, GSLV Mk I/II and GSLV Mk III.

The four booster options are -
  • 6 × S-13: it would use six S-12, just like the PSLV.
  • 2 × S-60: it would use two S-60, which appear to be a new solid motor development.
  • 2 × S-139: it would use two S-139, which are used as the PSLV and GSLV Mk I/II first stage.
  • 2 × S-200: it would use two S-200, just like the GSLV Mk III.
It's a hybrid launch vehicle using components from all of the active launch vehicles of ISRO.
 
End of the day in 6/8 months India will overtake China to become third only country to develop our own "INDIGENOUS" Semi cryogenic engine technology !

Good luck with that. End of the 6 to 8 months you will have an engine just to test.

China is set to launch CZ-6 next month !


 
Got a serious question, how can India be so developed in space engine, but struggle to make a fighter jet engine?
 
Good luck with that. End of the 6 to 8 months you will have an engine just to test.

China is set to launch CZ-6 next month !



What is it's LEO and GTO payload capacity? Wiki says it's 1,080 for SSO - Any specific reason behind it's development since China already has more capable launch vehicles than that?

Got a serious question, how can India be so developed in space engine, but struggle to make a fighter jet engine?

Reason being India never followed up the HAL HF-24 Marut fighter jet programme - Nehru brought a leading combat aircraft designer to India - Kurt Tank, progenitor of the Focke-Wulfe warplanes for Hitler's Luftwaffe. Tank succeeded in putting an HF-24 Marut prototype in the air by 1961 and in training a talented group of Indian designers at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

By the time the Tank-trained Raj Mahindra (Designer of LCA Tejas)-led team designed the successor Marut Mark-II, Nehru was gone and neither Lal Bahadur Shastri nor his successor, Indira Gandhi, unfortunately had the strategic vision or technological prescience to provide political support for it. Indira permitted the purchase of the British Jaguar aircraft for low-level attack, leading to the termination of the Marut Mk-II optimised for the same mission. It ended the chance of India emerging early as an independent aerospace power in the manner Brazil and Israel have done in recent years. The inglorious era of importing military hardware was on. The resulting vendor-driven procurement system has decanted enormous wealth from India to arms supplier states Russia, UK, France, the United States, Israel and Italy.

As a result of which the valuable experience gained through Marut was all but lost - Though LCA we are gaining the same ensuring the Mark II will not suffer the same fate.

When you look at ISRO - It is engaged in SLV R&D activities right from 1960's and now in 2010's it has started to pay off - SCE-200 didn't came out in a mid-night but is a result of consolidated efforts of four decades starting right from the Vikas engine to CE-7.5 & CE-20. ISRo didn't had the liberty to import due to global control regimes - all was to be done in house which took a long time but ended up in a success.

And as far as an aircraft engine is concerned - GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri Project should not have been shut down

Four years ago, when Indian aero-engineers walked into the Gromov Flight Research Institute in Moscow, they were shocked to see Chinese engineers there. The Indians had come to flight-test Kaveri, India's first indigenous jet engine. The Chinese, too, had come on a similar mission. And, the Indian engineers were worried whether the Chinese would beat them to it.

Kaveri, which was developed at the Bengaluru-based Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE), a lab under the Defence Research and Development Organisation, successfully completed the sub-sonic test in Moscow by flying a giant Ilyushin-76 aircraft. The Chinese test was a failure. Four years later, however, it seems the Kaveri story is going to have a sad end, while the Chinese are making steady progress with their project.

The project always had funding issues right from the beginning - Engineers at GTRE didn't have enough funds to buy fuel for running the engine.

And believe me - how GTRE was able to get so far on a torbofan engine for just $350 million is simply amazing!


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You don't get a torbofan engine for just $350 million for sure - funding is important which was always neglected in the case of Kaveri.
 
What is it's LEO and GTO payload capacity? Wiki says it's 1,080 for SSO - Any specific reason behind it's development since China already has more capable launch vehicles than that?

CZ-6 is just one of several next generation Space Launch Vehicles. All using Kerosene (Semi-cryogenic) engines.

This is CZ-7 which has been delayed to launch next year.

The LM-7 prototype is assembled at the Wenchang Satellite Launch Center (China's equivalent to Cape Canaveral) for non-flight testing. Fitting all the rocket segments and boosters allows for vibration testing and validating models on fuel flows and stress loads.
The LM-7 rocket can be attached with four solid fuel rocket boosters, in order to carry its maximum 13.5 ton payload into low earth orbit.
 
First Prototype of ISRO's Semi-Cryogenic Engine To Be Ready By 2016

Trips to Venus & Asteroids also being studied.


Indian Space Research Organisation [ISRO], Mr AS Kiran Kumar, visited the Inter-University Centre for Astronomy and Astrophysics [IUCAA] yesterday, where he delivered an hour-long talk. Titled, "Space Exploration - An Indian Perspective", he primarily spoke about its work in the field of Astronomy, including relevant payloads ISRO satellites, launched so far, have carried on-board. For the 1st time, next month, it would be launching a satellite dedicated to the study of Astronomy. The Astrosat satellite, to be launched aboard the PSLV-C34 mission, is currently in the process of being mated to the launcher, he informed.

AS-Kiran-Kumar-ISRO-Chairman_thumb%25255B1%25255D.jpg

During the Q&A session that followed, when asked, he confirmed that development of India's Semi-Cryogenic Engine [SCE] is, "in a very advanced stage". He added that demonstration of the engine could take place, "within a matter of 1 year". There is, however, a need to build test-facilities for the engine, which is taking time, he said. It is looking to work around this issue by exploring, "alternate ways of doing the test using facilities which are existing elsewhere". Translated, ISRO would want to carry out its ground tests outside the country, quite like the way GTRE does with the Kaveri engine's flight testing in Russia, aboard its modified Il-76 test-bed.

Semi-cryogenic engine is 1 where where either element in the propellant - fuel & oxidiser, can be operationally stored at room temperature. The engine ISRO is developing - SCE-200, would use liquefied oxygen & ISROSENE [aviation-grade kerosene], & generate 2000kN of thrust in vacuum. Kerosene, being economical & liquid at room temperature, would simplify handling, generating higher thrust cost-effectively. It envisages use of SCE as the 1ststage of its heavy-lift Unified modular Launch Vehicle [ULV], as also the lighter Two Stage To Orbit [TSTO]Reusable Launch Vehicle [RLV]. In the interim, 1 SCE-200 could be used as the 2nd-stage, SC160, in the GSLV Mk. III, replacing the current L110, that uses 2 Vikas Engines. It would then be capable of placing a 6.2MT payload [vs. 4 MT] into GTO.

ISRO would test use of Ion thrusters on the GSAT-19 satellite, he said. The thrusters would primarily be used to stabilise the satellite in Space. It would be the 2nd ISRO satellite to use electric propulsion, the first being the GSAT-4 satellite that was being carried on-board the unsuccessful GSLV-D3 mission. Thus, the satellite never got deployed. Successful demonstration of Ion Propulsion would enable ISRO to, "substantially reduce the weight of the satellite, for the same function & capability", translating to weight saving, "almost to the tune of 1.5-2MT", he said.


It plans to launch the GSAT-19 [also referred as GSAT-19E] aboard the 1st demonstration flight of GSLV Mk. III, the GSLV Mk-III D1, scheduled for 2016-2017. The satellite would carry:

In addition, it would, "act as a test bed for development of advanced spacecraft technologies and bus subsystem experiments like New modular I-6K Structure, Electrical propulsion System, Active thermal control using deployable thermal radiators, Motorised deployment of solar panels, miniaturised IRU, indigenous Li-ion battery,2 KW BDR, indigenous C-Band TWTA, etc., for future I-6K Bus".

ISRO-Future-Venus-Asteroid-Final_thumb%25255B1%25255D.jpg

Future missions could include trips to the planet Venus & Asteroids, he added. ISRO has initiated studies to explore feasibility of undertaking missions to the aforementioned destinations, in addition to re-visiting Mars, this time with more payload, with the availability of heavier GSLV-series launchers.

An unassuming man, he wore a pair of white sports shoes, to go with his blazer, shirt & trouser ensemble.

Godspeed

Also read: Successful Flight Test Validation Of The Very First Indian Strap-On Booster Motors

Source:- First Prototype of ISRO's Semi-Cryogenic Engine To Be Ready By 2016 - AA Me, IN

@gslv mk3
 
First Prototype of ISRO's Semi-Cryogenic Engine To Be Ready By 2016

Trips to Venus & Asteroids also being studied.


Indian Space Research Organisation [ISRO], Mr AS Kiran Kumar, visited the Inter-University Centre for Astronomy and Astrophysics [IUCAA] yesterday, where he delivered an hour-long talk. Titled, "Space Exploration - An Indian Perspective", he primarily spoke about its work in the field of Astronomy, including relevant payloads ISRO satellites, launched so far, have carried on-board. For the 1st time, next month, it would be launching a satellite dedicated to the study of Astronomy. The Astrosat satellite, to be launched aboard the PSLV-C34 mission, is currently in the process of being mated to the launcher, he informed.

AS-Kiran-Kumar-ISRO-Chairman_thumb%25255B1%25255D.jpg

During the Q&A session that followed, when asked, he confirmed that development of India's Semi-Cryogenic Engine [SCE] is, "in a very advanced stage". He added that demonstration of the engine could take place, "within a matter of 1 year". There is, however, a need to build test-facilities for the engine, which is taking time, he said. It is looking to work around this issue by exploring, "alternate ways of doing the test using facilities which are existing elsewhere". Translated, ISRO would want to carry out its ground tests outside the country, quite like the way GTRE does with the Kaveri engine's flight testing in Russia, aboard its modified Il-76 test-bed.

Semi-cryogenic engine is 1 where where either element in the propellant - fuel & oxidiser, can be operationally stored at room temperature. The engine ISRO is developing - SCE-200, would use liquefied oxygen & ISROSENE [aviation-grade kerosene], & generate 2000kN of thrust in vacuum. Kerosene, being economical & liquid at room temperature, would simplify handling, generating higher thrust cost-effectively. It envisages use of SCE as the 1ststage of its heavy-lift Unified modular Launch Vehicle [ULV], as also the lighter Two Stage To Orbit [TSTO]Reusable Launch Vehicle [RLV]. In the interim, 1 SCE-200 could be used as the 2nd-stage, SC160, in the GSLV Mk. III, replacing the current L110, that uses 2 Vikas Engines. It would then be capable of placing a 6.2MT payload [vs. 4 MT] into GTO.

ISRO would test use of Ion thrusters on the GSAT-19 satellite, he said. The thrusters would primarily be used to stabilise the satellite in Space. It would be the 2nd ISRO satellite to use electric propulsion, the first being the GSAT-4 satellite that was being carried on-board the unsuccessful GSLV-D3 mission. Thus, the satellite never got deployed. Successful demonstration of Ion Propulsion would enable ISRO to, "substantially reduce the weight of the satellite, for the same function & capability", translating to weight saving, "almost to the tune of 1.5-2MT", he said.


It plans to launch the GSAT-19 [also referred as GSAT-19E] aboard the 1st demonstration flight of GSLV Mk. III, the GSLV Mk-III D1, scheduled for 2016-2017. The satellite would carry:

In addition, it would, "act as a test bed for development of advanced spacecraft technologies and bus subsystem experiments like New modular I-6K Structure, Electrical propulsion System, Active thermal control using deployable thermal radiators, Motorised deployment of solar panels, miniaturised IRU, indigenous Li-ion battery,2 KW BDR, indigenous C-Band TWTA, etc., for future I-6K Bus".

ISRO-Future-Venus-Asteroid-Final_thumb%25255B1%25255D.jpg

Future missions could include trips to the planet Venus & Asteroids, he added. ISRO has initiated studies to explore feasibility of undertaking missions to the aforementioned destinations, in addition to re-visiting Mars, this time with more payload, with the availability of heavier GSLV-series launchers.

An unassuming man, he wore a pair of white sports shoes, to go with his blazer, shirt & trouser ensemble.

Godspeed

Also read: Successful Flight Test Validation Of The Very First Indian Strap-On Booster Motors

Source:- First Prototype of ISRO's Semi-Cryogenic Engine To Be Ready By 2016 - AA Me, IN

@gslv mk3
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What you trying to say ? France developing nuclear weapons for for India ? If you have trust issue then deal with it . You sound awkward now . SC engine project is more than 7 years old and India already completed 80% of testing and validation of the systems and subsystems . Even India using US facilities for AMCA design so US building AMCA for India ....? What kind of logic is this ? When official statements are made its the end of the debate . If you want you can give it a spin to calm down your burning sensation .

End of the day in 6/8 months India will overtake China to become third only country to develop our own "INDIGENOUS" Semi cryogenic engine technology ! Point to note by just replacing Engine on same GSLV mk3 platform we increased play load capacity by 2 ton for GTO and 4 T for LEO . Once we increase its size we could maximise our capacity to large cluster of heavy and high performance satellite in a single launch instead of choosing France or US agencies rockets .

Don't you think you should give a huge credit to India as we know what we have achieved when another country with same DNA lost it completely ? That too when cruise missiles like babar becomes Asia's most dangerous development but SC technology is not worth it ?

Lol I petty you .

in 6/8 months India will overtake China
Ridiculous, you indians really have big mouth. Super power by 2012, huh? We just launched long march 5, LEO-25t, GTO-14t, where are you?

what's INDIGENOUS? see the link below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCE-200
you bought this from Ukraine and Russia helped you to test

>>

>> Semi-Cryogenic Engines replace liquid hydrogen with kerosene and using liquid oxygen and kerosene they are considered relatively environment friendly, non-toxic and non corrosive. In addition, the propellants for semi-cryogenic engine are safer to handle and store. It will also reduce the cost of launch operations.

>> This advanced propulsion technology is now available only with Russia and USA. The world’s most powerful liquid engine, the Russian RD 170, is powered by a LOX - kerosene combination. India will the third country in the world to develop a semi-cryogenic engine. LOX - Kerosene engines have powered several American launchers as well, including Saturn V, which carried American astronauts to the moon.
nonsense, can you think before opening your big mouth?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YF-100
so what we use for Long March 5 booster? invisible engine by you? And first 300 second test was 2007, then u boast in 2015 you will surpass us with your nonexistent one?
 
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in 6/8 months India will overtake China
Ridiculous, you indians really have big mouth. Super power by 2012, huh? We just launched long march 5, LEO-25t, GTO-14t, where are you?

what's INDIGENOUS? see the link below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCE-200
you bought this from Ukraine and Russia helped you to test

Your long march 5 also had modified RD 120 and RD 170 Russian engines. Word Chinese and indigenous are oxymoron.

Cut the rhetoric and get those Su-35 from Russia asap.
 

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