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Why do you insist?
Because it's factually correct.
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Why do you insist?
well , you must consider that west of Afghanistan always was part of khorasan so you can't say we had no interest there and don't forget Afghanistan is not only Pukhtoons, they have Hazareh , they have Tajik ,... also come on Pakistan have access to free water ,who can isolate you guys?When you compare Iraq and Afghanistan, it is like asmaan and zameen. The benefit for Iran in Iraq far outways any benefit from Afghanistan. Iran made the right decision to look westward towards Iraq, and now Syria/Lebanon.
For Pakistan it is a different history and geopolitical reality, as Afghanistan has always been our backyard since Dilli Sultanat and Mughal times. We are bounded on the Northeast and West by friendly nations, China and Iran respectively, and on the east by a mortal enemy. To prevent being sandwiched between Afghanistan and India, we have to be involved.
Also, Pukhtoons whom Iranians are wary of (throughout history) are friendly towards Pakistan.
It doesnt matter what you think about them, they're not Persians. Nobody in Iran or Afghanistan considers Hazaras, Kabulis, Uzbeks and other Persian-speakers there to be ethnically "Persian".They speak Persian, so I consider them Persian.
"The graveyard of empires cannot be invaded"Are you some idiot or just have poor command in English language?
We dont want Afghanistan.Come on Iran and Pakistan.
End this quagmire.
Share Afghanistan among us....
I kind of agree with you. For most Iranians going to Sistan & Balouchestan feels like visiting a foreign country. Even friends of mine from south Iran that have been there find it to be a very different place from the rest of Iran.Yes.....you now know why we let go of this Afghanistan and the balochistan.
These are tribal type people man....one day with u next day against u......
We've been seeing the same behavior for last many millennia. Nothing changes! Just headaches and misery.
You can't change them. You guys are new to this game, we've played this game for thousands of years.......
good decision.....
there is absolutely nothing to be gained in Afghanistan for Iran.... annexing the entire country would add almost no strategic/geopolitical value to Iran.
Afghanistan doesn't have much resources, infastracture, educated population or much of anything that makes a nation successful.
Theres a reason the Iranian government focuses westward.... That's where the geopolitical prizes are. countries with strategic territories/natural resources.
Afghanistan on the other hand has enormous value to the americans. its a perfect strategic outpost for them conveniently located right in the backyard of their current 3 biggest rivals . Iran, China and Russia.
Irans only interest in Afghanistan is to not see it become a base for hostile forces (US, Wahabis) And non geopolitical issues like narcotics/migrants/crime etc..
More like Pakistan is the backyard of Afghans and Indians than the other way around. Moghals werent Pakistanis, they are Mongol and Turkic people that conquered your forefathers and ruled them.For Pakistan it is a different history and geopolitical reality, as Afghanistan has always been our backyard since Dilli Sultanat and Mughal times. We are bounded on the Northeast and West by friendly nations, China and Iran respectively, and on the east by a mortal enemy. To prevent being sandwiched between Afghanistan and India, we have to be involved.
Also, Pukhtoons whom Iranians are wary of (throughout history) are friendly towards Pakistan.
well , you must consider that west of Afghanistan always was part of khorasan so you can't say we had no interest there
The only ethnic Persians in Afghanistan are a section of the Tajik population that mainly lives in places like Herat and Balkh etc
Ok but it also holds true for 'Tajiks' too. Not all Tajiks are actually 'Persian' ethnically. Some of them are Persianized Turks. All of the old indigenous Iranian population groups of Central Asia like the Bactrians and Sogdians are also today known as just Tajiks and speak Persian dialects. But they were always closely related to Persians ethnically anyway.That's what I meant. I should have clarified that I wasn't trying to include Hazaras and other non-Pashtun groups.
Nobody other than Pakistan knew who the Taliban leaders really were in the 90s. Mullah Omar was always a vague figure head and both the Rabbani government and the Northern Alliance claimed that Pakistan's army were fighting alongside the Taliban under the guise of being Taliban fighters.20 years ago Iran was like 10 times weaker compared to Current one. I would say in response to such attack, Top leadership of Taliban would have been taken out by pinpoint Ballistic Missile attack.
I am 100 % sure Talibans of Afghanistan were in contacts with Iranian intelligence at that time.
Ok but it also holds true for 'Tajiks' too. Not all Tajiks are actually 'Persian' ethnically. Some of them are Persianized Turks. All of the old indigenous Iranian population groups of Central Asia like the Bactrians and Sogdians are also today known as just Tajiks and speak Persian dialects. But they were always closely related to Persians ethnically anyway.
Nobody other than Pakistan knew who the Taliban leaders really were in the 90s. Mullah Omar was always a vague figure head and both the Rabbani government and the Northern Alliance claimed that Pakistan's army were fighting alongside the Taliban under the guise of being Taliban fighters.
There is an ABC Australia interview with Iranian detainees in Afghanistan from 1998 who had been sold by Hezbe Eslami to the Taliban where they call on Khamenei to take revenge against Taliban and Pakistanis for the massacre at Mazar-e Sharif in 1997.
First of all stop assuming because I bring logic to a conversation I am automatically a US military supporter. I am Iranian you moron.
2nd I know you didn’t bother to learn the English language, but I said Pakistan harbored top al queda and Taliban leaders which is true unless you live on a different planet (which most Pakistan users on here do). With the US steamrolling Taliban in 2001 bin laden and large amounts of Taliban and al queda leadership fled through torra borra mountains into Pakistan.
I mean later Bin laden himself was killed while living next to a major Pakistan military school. And yes Pakistan warlords are terrorists and terrorist sympathizers. Northern Pakistan at one point was Taliban 2.0 and even Pakistan military bases were under constant Insurgent attacks.
After the “surge” was over in iraq and Afghanistan, the US and NATO withdrew most of their troops and relied on the afghan army to keep control of their country.
Trust me no one (not Iran nor Pakistan) wants that dump known as Afghanistan whose main export is opium and drugs. US was going to leave Afghanistan eventually, just like it left Libya.
But let’s not kid ourselves, if US wanted to they could deploy 150,000 troops and move province by province and eliminate Taliban. Just look what Iraq did to ISIS when ISIS had control of nearly half of Iraq. ISIS had way more skilled fighters than a bunch of overweight Pashtuns with ak 47s.
The issue with Afghanistan is, no one wants it and no wants to put troops to fight in a country that holds very little strategic gains for the US (other than encircling iran with military bases).
So while it’s important to point out US defeats in the region (Iraq, Yemen, Syria). I don’t consider Afghanistan a total defeat for the US since they accomplished the bulk of their objectives. US was never going to permantely occupy Afghanistan, it simply is not an important country. If the Afghan army cannot hold its ground after 18 years, then that’s not the US job to be the Afghan army.