2 US Commandos killed in Afghanistan firefight.

[Sashan]

I have to say that NATO is being attacked more and more in Afghanistan and with deadly results. The most disheartening for the Coalition troops must be the insurgents who manage to infiltrate or even the non-Talibans who turn their guns against their trainers.
As far as Pakistan is concerned, there is no victory in sight without fully bringing on board Afghanistan's neighbors and Russia; short of that it will be back to the pre 9/11 era of proxy wars. Americans can afford to packup and leave if/when they realize that Afghanistan isn't worth a single death; a superpower can swallow bitter pills. Both Americans and Soviets have done that in Vietnam and Afghanistan, respectively.
Pakistan really needs to work with all of the regional players, including India, to find some peaceful solution for poor Afghans. Enough of these 'Great Games' already.

Let me know which neighbour of Afghanistan(except Pakistan) or even the world power want the U.S to lose the Afghanistan? Putin wants U.S to stay in Afghanistan and offered refueling facilities through Russian airports. China wants U.S to stay as they have bidded for some copper and other mines. Iran maybe at loggerheads with US but do they want U.S to leave and have a civil war at hand or Taliban to take over? Think about it. U.S staying there or support for the Afghanistan govt. is in the larger interests of the world.

 

[W.11]

Americans defeated Soviets? Whata laugh!

Pakistan "planned" the war ....Pakistan "trained" the fighters fighting against the soviets... Pakistani commandos led operations directly against Soviets....yet...Americans defeated Soviets because obviously they gave some stingers ....


Again , no one is talking about military victory here

not to forget the countless pakistani tribals who crossed the border to fight the soviets there

 

[Wright]

Americans defeated Soviets? Whata laugh!

Pakistan "planned" the war ....Pakistan "trained" the fighters fighting against the soviets... Pakistani commandos led operations directly against Soviets....yet...Americans defeated Soviets because obviously they gave some stingers ....


Again , no one is talking about military victory here

Soviets had long been overtaken by the US in military spending. Japan had overtaken the USSR in economic size. They tried to keep up in the arms race, at the cost of their economy. To say they broke up because of losing a meaningless war in a meaningless country is pretty laughable.

 

[AUz]

Americans trained them...ISI was only a middle man. I do seem to remember a lot of Pakistanis going to A'stan when the US arrived...where are they based at now?

Bull Juice just bull...

Pakistanis set up camps for training even BEFORE U.S' consideration of getting involved in this war. Actually , Americans were 'hesitant' to go against the Red Army in Afghanistan. Remember the words "Afghanistan is a closed chapter now" ....These words were uttered by American top man , not Pakistani one. We convinced you that we can handle it and we did.

It disguise of this war , we got billions in aid....we completed our nuclear program...got all the latest weaponry (F-16s in 80's) ... and we even achieved our objective ...

A COMPLETE strategic victory for Pakistan....but yes , alot of social problems came with it too...

What was your contribution to the war? "Hesitancy" in going against USSR? Some stingers?

U.S chose the wrong battle-ground ....

Fall of U.S in Afghanistan will be a DREAM come true for Pakistan , China , Russia , and wider Islamic World ... And THAT is what going to happen.... After Soviet fell , Islam permanently gained millions of sq kilometers in territory and ENTIRE Central Asia became an independent Muslim-Majority region Mashallah ... Fall of U.S in Afghanistan will give more 'space' for Islam to spread and Islam will further "consolidate" its unchallenged status of 'the most practiced faith of the planet Earth',Inshallah!! (Nominally , the second ) ...

Plus : Fall of U.S in Afghanistan doesn't mean US will fade away like USSR....but a political defeat that would cost trillions to U.S economy.... and that goal is very near...

As world becomes more 'neutral' .... Islam gets ample space to spread its cultural , social , religious , and even political influence....Inshallah...

In the mean time , you might wanna check this one?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

 

[Wright]

Bull Juice just bull...

Pakistanis set up camps for training even BEFORE U.S' consideration of getting involved in this war. Actually , Americans were 'hesitant' to go against the Red Army in Afghanistan. Remember the words "Afghanistan is a closed chapter now" ....These words were uttered by American top man , not Pakistani one. We convinced you that we can handle it and we did.

It disguise of this war , we got billions in aid....we completed our nuclear program...got all the latest weaponry (F-16s in 80's) ... and we even achieved our objective ...

A COMPLETE strategic victory for Pakistan....but yes , alot of social problems came with it too...

What was your contribution to the war? "Hesitancy" in going against USSR? Some stingers?

U.S chose the wrong battle-ground ....

Fall of U.S in Afghanistan will be a DREAM come true for Pakistan , China , Russia , and wider Islamic World ... And THAT is what going to happen.... After Soviet fell , Islam permanently gained millions of sq kilometers in territory and ENTIRE Central Asia became an independent Muslim-Majority region Mashallah ... Fall of U.S in Afghanistan will give more 'space' for Islam to spread and Islam will further "consolidate" its unchallenged status of 'the most practiced faith of the planet Earth',Inshallah!! (Nominally , the second ) ...

Plus : Fall of U.S in Afghanistan doesn't mean US will fade away like USSR....but a political defeat that would cost trillions to U.S economy.... and that goal is very near...

As world becomes more 'neutral' .... Islam gets ample space to spread its cultural , social , religious , and even political influence....

Ok if setting up training camps and sending in fighters is how you won that war, what has stopped those tactics from working in Kashmir?

You probably should look into how the fighters got their weapons. Israel had to supply Russian arms captured from Arabs.
The fall of the USSR meant the Arab supporting superpower gone. No one supported the Arabs as much as the USSR did.

Central Asians tend not to be as enthusiastic about religion as you guys are. .. .

 

[AUz]

Ok if setting up training camps and sending in fighters is how you won that war, what has stopped those tactics from working in Kashmir?

Different conflict , different demographics , different history , different 'fighters' (REAL hardcore Al Qaeda guys never led Kashmir operations) , different 'intensity' etc etc etc etc .... Alot of variables.... Tell Indians to send their Army in Afghanistan and see what follows

You probably should look into how the fighters got their weapons. Israel had to supply Russian arms captured from Arabs.

Ok and? hah!

The fall of the USSR meant the Arab supporting superpower gone. No one supported the Arabs as much as the USSR did.

And Iraq paid for it......BUT.....it is being 'corrected' as we speak

Central Asians tend not to be as enthusiastic about religion as you guys are. .. .

Well they are mostly more practicing than Christians anywhere in the West lol...I know they are not crazy like SOME Pakistanis and thats good... Traditional Islam is well and alive in central Asia mashallah... and there is a 'revival' happening in Russia and parts of central asia..all these things doesn't matter..what matters is that Islam expanded even further Mashallah....

 

[SamantK]

Different conflict , different demographics , different history , different 'fighters' (REAL hardcore Al Qaeda guys never led Kashmir operations) , different 'intensity' etc etc etc etc .... Alot of variables.... Tell Indians to send their Army in Afghanistan and see what follows

You cant keep your trap shut, can you... He asked you about your rats being sent to Kashmir to kill innocent and you take the topic to Afghan, how cowardly to change the whole scenario, can't answer but subsitue bs is the easiest way out.... What else can be expected of people like you...

 

[Secur]

You cant keep your trap shut, can you... He asked you about your rats being sent to Kashmir to kill innocent and you take the topic to Afghan, how cowardly to change the whole scenario, can't answer but subsitue bs is the easiest way out.... What else can be expected of people like you...

Hey , kid ... Make a new thread if you so much want to discuss the Kashmir insurgency ... You are talking as if the topic is about " Kashmir " and not " Afghanistan " ... So before asking anyone else , keep your own trap shut first ...

Do not show your " ungovernable " impulse to troll everywhere ...

 

[SamantK]

Hey , kid ... Make a new thread if you so much want to discuss the Kashmir insurgency ... You are talking as if the topic is about " Kashmir " and not " Afghanistan " ... So before asking anyone else , keep your own trap shut first ...

Do not show your " ungovernable " impulse to troll everywhere ...

Oh pls, This topic is not about India in the first place so he mentioning bringing Indian forces in Afghan is off topic... If he wants to answer let him answer, why are you becoming his tatto?

 

[Secur]

Oh pls, This topic is not about India in the first place so he mentioning bringing Indian forces in Afghan is off topic... If he wants to answer let him answer, why are you becoming his tatto?

Yes it isn't and if you open your eyes then you will see that India wasn't mentioned by him , he was merely saying what happens in Afghanistan to an occupying force ... You are really happy to make him answer about Kashmir , what does that make you ? Dont act innocent !

 

[SamantK]

Yes it isn't and if you open your eyes then you will see that India wasn't mentioned by him , he was merely saying what happens in Afghanistan to an occupying force ... You are really happy to make him answer about Kashmir , what does that make you ? Dont act innocent !

Have lost it already, he has mentioned Indian forces... go read properly.. if he did not want to go off topic,could have reported it..

There is no need to ask any one about Kashmir, esp a Pakistani.. we all know the status..

 

[Secur]

Have lost it already, he has mentioned Indian forces... go read properly.. if he did not want to go off topic,could have reported it..

There is no need to ask any one about Kashmir, esp a Pakistani.. we all know the status..

Read your reply to him again and them compare with the " rule-follower " you are trying to emulate now ...

 

[K-Xeroid]

Have lost it already, he has mentioned Indian forces... go read properly.. if he did not want to go off topic,could have reported it..

There is no need to ask any one about Kashmir, esp a Pakistani.. we all know the status..

Status? Even you can't explain watever you believes, he did mentioned indian forces for some reason, its you who chewing organs without getting his point.

 

[SamantK]

Read your reply to him again and them compare with the " rule-follower " you are trying to emulate now ...

Now you wanna change the scenario? We're you able to see where India was introduced?

Anyways, you tried to be a rule follower.. I just wanted him not to substitute BS as an answer for a whole different question.. Capishe?

Status? Even you can't explain watever you believes, he did mentioned indian forces for some reason, its you who chewing organs without getting his point.

Oh, another tattu....

Yeah status of an Indian state called J&K....

 

[K-Xeroid]

Oh, another tattu....

Yeah status of an Indian state called J&K....

and india accepts GB and remaining kashmir as a Pakistan's state? Ah this topic is has been twisted alot, Lets just accept the fact that indian forces can't operate as effectively as they operates in their mainland.