2 consecutive days of Low intensity blasts in India

[Spring Onion]

Can I ask you just 1 question. Where are the 15-20% of Hindu population in pakistan that were present during the partition? Currently its less than 1.6%.

Its the lie which most of Indians love to tell but lets see what is the actual position.

(posted by RR in another thread)
"The argument by the Hindutva fanatics is that Pakistan is full of Indian people because during Partition Pakistan was flooded by lots of Indians, so that Pakistan now looks Indian! A very simple calculation to disprove this statement is as follows.. "

Total Muslim population of west pakistan (1951 census) = 28 million

Total Muslim population of west pakistan (1941 census) = 22 million

Growth rate of West Pakistan = approx. 2% per annum

10 years will see a 120% increase

Expected Muslim population in 1951 = 26.2 million.

Actual minus expected = 28 million -26.2 million = 1.8 million immigrants.. Total West Pak pop (1951) = 29 million

So percentage of immigrants from India (majority from East Punjab) = 1.8/29 = 6.2%.


Source for figures - BHARAT RAKSHAK MONITOR - Volume 6(2) September October 2003

This isn't too far off the Urdu speaking population of 7% or something of modern day Pakistan.

Using a 2% growth factor, one can see that Partition had a near negligible (7%) impact on the Pakistani population.

The Indian calculation will follow.




BHARAT RAKSHAK MONITOR - Volume 6(2) September October 2003

 

[IceCold]

If you are pointing towards the USA, I am saying the same.

Karzai (the legitimate head of the elected government of Afghanistan, recognized by the world including Pakistan) is making the allegations that ISI is indulging in terror inside Afghanistan and supporting terrorist Taliban to destabilize the country. He can't be saying so without USA support.

2+2 = 4.

Proof! What proof do you want? Seriously! Can any proof satisfy you?

Dawood's residential address is published in your own newspapers. Jawed Miandad marries his son to that terrorist's daughter but you continue your pathetic denials as if you are fooling someone even now.

It is not about "proof", it is about the moral strength to see the reality.

Cut the crap, either put up or shut up

 

[Flintlock]

Ok this thread is dead.

 

[IceCold]

Ice cold,

What has your post got to do with the subject?

Are you OK?

All you faculties functioning?

What happened? Reality bites doesn't it. By the way mud slinging context was started by you guys not us which derailed this thread. I just responded to it.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Jana,

Good to see you in your elements.

Sadly, it does not impress as it would to the illiterates of NWFP and FATA!!

 

[Vinod2070]

Cut the crap, either put up or shut up

The last resort when one doesn't have an answer.

Don't worry, these terrorist attacks will not go without their perpetrators and their supporters meeting justice.

The world has lost any patience with the terrorists and their supporters, India is not alone in this fight now as we were for 2 decades.

Even if we were alone, we would come out on tops.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Icecold,

Reality will bite once things start happening!

Jana,

The illiterate Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Paksitan are the source of all problems!

Educate yourself before the US educates you!

Don't break up Paksitan!

 

[Awesome]

Again, I just said I am comparing the incidents that happened in a span on few days. If you want to get ritos in Gujarat as justification for every muslim terrorist act in the region that occurs after that incident then maybe you should tell me how many more lives or blasts that you want to justify!!

No you were saying that even Hindu fanats are so enlightened and there's something fundamentally wrong with Islam.

When you make sweeping statements like that expect sharp answers in return!

 

[Awesome]

Minorities eliminated from Pak - tell me exactly what is the pecentage of non-muslims in Pak right now. Do u have communally sensitive areas in Hindu majority regions ? do u have hindus pelting stones from inside temples?? (Its a very common occurence in Hyderabad , india- whenever there s a small spark somewhere, all the people offering prayers in mosques shower stones from inside the mosque - hurting so many people!!)

If you ask me, we should hang those poeple who are known to give inflammatory speeches in mosques leading to acts like these. They are the roots!!

Oh please, no minorities have been "cleansed"

1) Pakistanis have one of the highest reproduction rates in the world, it is obviously not even.
2) The 1947 partition saw an equal number of exchange as well as intake
3) There were fewer minorities in the Pakistani region to begin with and the exchange left with even less

 

[Vinod2070]

No you were saying that even Hindu fanats are so enlightened and there's something fundamentally wrong with Islam.

When you make sweeping statements like that expect sharp answers in return!

What we are seeing is not Islam but the misuse of Islam by Pakistan to meet their nefarious designs. Why do you want to equate it to Islam?

It's a case of religion being misused to meet political goals. Same as is done by AQ.

It is but obvious that it will give the religion a bad name, if those practicing it are the ones to misuse it and carry out heinous deeds in it's name. Why cry foul over such a simple thing.

Come out clearly that it is about politics, don't use the name of religion to gain conscripts and any talk about any religion being fanatic will disappear or automatically sound ridiculous.

In how many countries do you see Hindus murdering innocents. Now see the contrast! And in most countries it is not because of local politics or reasons but in the name of religion. The comparison with Hinduism makes sense only to you guys!

 

[Vinod2070]

Oh please, no minorities have been "cleansed"

1) Pakistanis have one of the highest reproduction rates in the world, it is obviously not even.
2) The 1947 partition saw an equal number of exchange as well as intake
3) There were fewer minorities in the Pakistani region to begin with and the exchange left with even less

Isn't this convenient! Ever thought why it was equal exchange and not proportional exchange? Why did Muslims migrate only from Indian Punjab and some from UP, while from Western Pakistan they were practically wiped out from all states.

Why didn't Muslims migrate in large numbers from states far from border? Because what happened in India was revenge and it effected the border states more as they saw and heard the stories of the incoming refugees. The Indian leadership made all efforts to assuage the concerns of the minorities and most of the Muslims stayed back.

In Pakistan it was the army and the Muslim League guards who masterminded the cleansing and the Hindu/Sikh population was almost totally wiped. There is an excellent book by a Pakistani writer that came out recently that described the planned onslaught on the minorities in Pakistan during that period.

Muslims have thrived in India, their population share increases every year, they go on to become presidents and top scientists and indutrialists. If the majority is backwards, they are mostly themselves to blame as your Balochistan and NWFP areas.

They have all the opportunities to come up in life as anyone else. There is poverty and backwardness in other communities too. Watch the recent movie "Aamir", it shows some good reasons.

In Pakistan, the minority population reduces exponentially. It can't be just accounted for by the differential population growth, as you want to do here. There are deeper reasons if you have the courage to see them.

 

[Awesome]

The death toll is now 45.

Those who perpetuated the blast should be happy!

I am only worried that Modi may have a few tricks up his sleeve.

And now, I am afraid the UPA will be looking really silly for abrogating POTA and not allowing the Gujarat and Rajasthan govt to have the same act as is in UPA led Maharastra!

The worst part is that the communal divide will deepen and those who did the act would have succeeded.

However, better sense seems to have come to India where we are still holding steady. And the govt will be forced to act.

It will also force India closer to the US and to the detriment of others!!

After all, what US wants, US gets as we have seen in the neighbourhood!

The terrorists are pushing India into the US sphere of influence and it will not be surprising if India finds itself in Afghanistan to support the ISAF; maybe only in a logistic mode as a starter!!

The whole thing is turning out to be a witch's brew and making the neighbourhood volatile!!

And this time, the US will be on the side of India!!

China is too worried about its Olympic Games where it even told Mugabwe to ''behave'' wherein he is having a Govt of Unity!!

China too is self serving. She knows her priorities!!

Some people are digging their own graves.

Which is why, it can't be Pakistan.

 

[Malang]

Yes Hindu terrorists only massacred 2000 Muslims on the streets of Gujarat. Very admirable.

Just the other day I came across an interesting tid bit..

The Punjabi Mos.lems and Pathans under the orders of the British during 1857 riot days fed pork to the Hindustani(Pro-Mughal) Mos.lems who were caught(not sure if women and children were spared), chopped their bodies, made them lick the floor clean of blood, put their dead bodies in pig skin bags, and burnt them..

 

[Malang]

Which is why, it can't be Pakistan.

What is Indian Mujahideen?

Yet another attack and yet again an obscure militant organisation calling itself the Indian Mujhadeen has taken responsibility. But what actually is the Indian Mujhadeen?

Minutes before 16 bombs ripped through Ahmedabad, an email was sent to over 20 media houses, including some foreign news organisations.

The third time a little known group calling itself the Indian Mujahideen sent such an email just before terror strikes. The first being the serial blasts in courts in Uttar Pradesh in November last year followed by blasts in Jaipur earlier this year. On each occasion, the group claimed it was avenging the killings of Indian Muslims.

But what actually is the Indian Mujhadeen. Investigations into the Jaipur and UP serial blasts led to a nondescript cyber cafe and then to servers in France and other European countries. Investigators say the Indian Mujhadeen is a front for groups operating out of Pakistan most likely the Lasker-e-Toiba.

Jaipur is India's best-known tourist centre and Banglore is India's cyber capital, striking them is ISI 's key aim and the Lashkar's long stated objective.

How Indian is 'Indian Mujahideen'?

* An Indian group claiming responsibility for terror strikes gives the ISI and Pakistan more reason to deny any involvement

* In each of three emails, the group lays special emphasis on being India-based. They have mentioned it over a dozen times in Saturday's email leading investigators to believe that it is done purposefully to protect groups like the LeT

* Saturday's email targets Jamait-e-Ulema-Hind and its leader Arshad Madni known for his moderate stand. The Jamait has long been targeted by the LeT and the ISI

In the past, arrested Lashkar militants have said they always wanted to target Gujarat, Bangalore and tourist destinations. What Indian Mujhadeen has done perhaps indicates that it is just another face of the LeT.

NDTV.com: What is Indian Mujahideen?

 

[Vinod2070]

The gameplan is obvious and is going to fool no one.