1971 War: How Russia sank Nixon’s gunboat diplomacy

[cyphercide]

You did not use your air force against China during the War, and even if you did use your air force both the Chinese and Pakistani's would have used. Remember now China defeated India and captured all of arunachal pradesh or south tibet whatever you call it during 1962 they had to leave it because their supply lines and logistics were overstretched and Take Askai. even if you used your airforce during 1962 both Chinese and Pakistan would have used theirs you would not have won a 2 sided war.

That's a pretty stupid assertion considering the fact that China stopped it's campaign(as India predetermined it to be) on it's own,in fact pulling back their troops from some Indian regions.To think that it would support a Pakistan pincer move is ridiculous.If you did keep up,you would know that China has never staked their own forces for furthering Pakistani interests.So yeah,a whooping was in store for them if they did intend to attack.

 

[praveen007]

here is an other neutral source that give detail of Indian air-superiority over the sky.
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INDO-PAKISTANI WAR OF 1971
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Here is a extract of the above linkeD article.
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.The Indian Air Force conducted 4,000 sorties in the west but its counterpart in Pakistan could hardly retaliate. This was because hitherto the technical personnel had mainly been Bengalis.
Another reason for defeat was that the PAF, riddled with losses because of its eastern operations was in no position to further worsen matters. In the east the small air contingent of PAF no 14 squadron was easily destroyed giving Indian Air Force undisputed mastery of the air space. Within only a fortnight Pakistan was brought to its knees. The Pakistani forces surrendered on 16th December.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

That's a pretty stupid assertion considering the fact that China stopped it's campaign(as India predetermined it to be) on it's own,in fact pulling back their troops from some Indian regions.To think that it would support a Pakistan pincer move is ridiculous.If you did keep up,you would know that China has never staked their own forces for furthering Pakistani interests.So yeah,a whooping was in store for them if they did intend to attack.

Again do you claim if Pakistan entered the war during 1962 India could have still won a two sided war ? Your Indian countrymen seem to agree on what I have said. anyway China has been very Much pulled into the Kashmir issue now, The Chinese have been known to go to war to protect their energy interest and interest, that's why Pak has invited them into Gilgit, China energy from the ME will be moved through Pakistani Kashmir. Anyway I'm going to start a Picture Thread of 1962 War but I can only find limited pictures, 1971 war, Vietnam War and the Gulf war be sure to check it.

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Need to agree here..! But we would have fought with whatever means we had at that time!

Thank you however India at the time was not prepared for mountain warfare, Chinese had the advantage due to knowing the Area in Tibet. India lost over 1300 troops, if you kept putting men in a terrain they were unprepared for do you think they would have won, Pakistan lost a good chance during 1962. and India got it's chance during 1971.

 

[praveen007]

First of all im considering the whole kill ratio of PAF vs IAF in 71... IAF despite having numerical and tech advantages still lost much more jets than PAF.... as for jordanians,turkey,ksa jets... can you provide specific facts?

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ok here u go.
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Royal Jordanian Air Force
assistance during the 1971 war:.
Nine F-104As of the RJAF arrived
at Masroor (Mauripur) Air Base
on December 13, 1971. The
Jordanian pilots who ferried
them were all operational pilots
and they flew many air defense
missions on these fighters within
the Pakistani air space. The PAF
did not allow them to fly cross-
border offensive missions over
the Indian territory.
Royal Jordanian AF F-104A in
Pakistan: 56-767, 56-774, 56-775,
56-777, 56-789, 56-799, 56-839,
56-843, 56-845.
The Royal Jordanian AF aircraft
were painted with PAF roundels
during the 71 war. Usman
Shabbir, November 20, 2007
The Pakistan AF lost three F-104
during the 1971 war including a
RJAF F-104A with tail number
56-767 on December 17, 1971.
(F/L Samad Changezi was shot
down (KIA) by F/L Aruna K.
Datta flying a MiG-21FL). Usman
Shabbir, November 14, 2007
. 916 Starfighter
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Some more extract from another neutral sorce.
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In total, within the following weeks three PA divisions were transported to Dacca, the capital of East Pakistan, mainly via Colombo, in Sri Lanka. This airlift was reportedly supported by C-130s of the Imperial Iranian Air Force (IIAF) and Türk Havva KuvvetlerI/ Turkish Air Force (THK), but it seems that actually Iran used this opportunity to donate all of its four older C-130Bs to PAF –
despite an US arms embargo imposed of Pakistan. The heavy equipment of the Pakistani division followed, transported by a convoy of ships, escorted by warships of the Pakistani Navy
(PN).
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India - Pakistan War, 1971; Introduction

 

[NeutralCitizen]

Anyway Does this Forum have a 1971 Thread Pics ? Someone tell me ? anyway if it does not I will post one along with 1962 war, Vietnam and Gulf War photos.

 

[cyphercide]

Again do you claim if Pakistan entered the war during 1962 India could have still won a two sided war ? Your Indian countrymen seem to agree on what I have said. anyway China has been very Much pulled into the Kashmir issue now, The Chinese have been known to go to war to protect their energy interest and interest, that's why Pak has invited them into Gilgit, China energy from the ME will be moved through Pakistani Kashmir. Anyway I'm going to start a Picture Thread of 1962 War but I can only find limited pictures, 1971 war, Vietnam War and the Gulf war be sure to check it.

I don't agree with that unsubstantiated hyperbole because it never would have been a two sided war like you portray.Why would China want to do Pakistan a favor at that point of history?China said and did what it wanted in a month in India and got out of there as quickly as well,to pursue matters further would be to invite foreign players into the conflict.

PS# At that point of time,Pakistan shared a dubious boundary with China as well.For what it's worth,Pakistan would have been sympathetic to our cause like Arab nations were.

 

[I spikes therefore I am]

Anyway Does this Forum have a 1971 Thread Pics ? Someone tell me ? anyway if it does not I will post one along with 1962 war, Vietnam and Gulf War photos.

Hey man u failed .why u hiding in other country flags? u don't like green color flag with crescent? Anyhow nice attempt congrats.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

I don't agree with that unsubstantiated hyperbole because it never would have been a two sided war like you portray.Why would China want to do Pakistan a favor at that point of history?China said and did what it wanted in a month in India and got out of there as quickly as well,to pursue matters further would be to invite foreign players into the conflict.

Again would you have won a two sided war at the time ? you certainly think so, at that time it was different however today it's very much different, Would India with Poorly Trained Troops who had no experience in Mountain Warfare who were losing in both Askai and South Tibet and if Pakistan entered the war to capture all of Kashmir excluding Askai you still think India would win ? Boy I hate to tell you reality of that.

Anyway this is today between China and India.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

Hey man u failed .why u hiding in other country flags? u don't like green color flag with crescent? Anyhow nice attempt congrats.

No I'm not Pakistani you can go look up my comment I've Pissed alot of them off, I love Trolling Pakistani's, Indians, and Chinese.

 

[cyphercide]

Again would you have won a two sided war at the time ? you certainly think so, at that time it was different however today it's very much different, Would India with Poorly Trained Troops who had no experience in Mountain Warfare who were losing in both Askai and South Tibet and if Pakistan entered the war to capture all of Kashmir excluding Askai you still think India would win ? Boy I hate to tell you reality of that.

Whatever.As a dumbass race that voted Hitler into power,I don't expect much cerebral fortitude from you folks.To sum it up,China wasn't going to help Pakistan at that point and vice versa as pointed out in my earlier posts.To speculate what might have been is absurd.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

Whatever.As a dumbass race that voted Hitler into power,I don't expect much cerebral fortitude from you folks.To sum it up,China wasn't going to help Pakistan at that point and vice versa as pointed out in my earlier posts.To speculate what might have been is absurd.

Ok your blaming past Germans for us today man you a retard if thats the best you can come up with you have arguments knowing that if that you losing in Both In Askai and South Tibet if Pakistan entered the war at the time you would have lost a two sided war. before the 1962 war Pakistan asked India to sign a defensive treaty against china however you rejected it and they were in secrets talks with China. It's very much would have been a reality seeing Pakistan seceded a part of Pakistani Kashmir to China not to long after the 1962 war. Actually it's reality the simple fact is you would have lost a two sided war.

 

[cyphercide]

Ok your blaming past Germans for us today man you a retard if thats the best you can come up with you have arguments knowing that if that you losing in Both In Askai and South Tibet if Pakistan entered the war at the time you would have lost a two sided war. before the 1962 war Pakistan asked India to sign a defensive treaty against china however you rejected it and they were in secrets talks with China. It's very much would have been a reality seeing Pakistan seceded a part of Pakistani Kashmir to China not to long after the 1962 war. Actually it's reality the simple fact is you would have lost a two sided war.

What is that I haven't made clear?

China wouldn't have backed Pakistan

Pakistan wouldn't have followed China

So why the hypothetical jacking off on things that never transpired...brings out the moron in you...and just soils some socks unnecessarily .

 

[NeutralCitizen]

What is that I haven't made clear?

China wouldn't have backed Pakistan

Pakistan wouldn't have followed China

So why the hypothetical jacking off on things that never transpired...brings out the moron in you...and just soils some socks unnecessarily .

No if Pakistan entered the war against India it would be natural for them to ally themselves with China, certainly Pakistan would not have been fighting in Askai however India could not have won a two sided war. Actually they would have taken care of India in the Western Theater, It would Paks right chance to strike during 1962. they were in talks during the war , but again it was a real possibility you could not have won a two sided war. If Pakistan entered the war it would have been natural they would ally themselves with China, China Takes Askai, and South Tibet Pakistan takes Kashmir, India at that point could not have won a two sided war one in the mountains in askai and one in kashmir.

 

[I spikes therefore I am]

Ok your blaming past Germans for us today man you a retard if thats the best you can come up with you have arguments knowing that if that you losing in Both In Askai and South Tibet if Pakistan entered the war at the time you would have lost a two sided war. before the 1962 war Pakistan asked India to sign a defensive treaty against china however you rejected it and they were in secrets talks with China. It's very much would have been a reality seeing Pakistan seceded a part of Pakistani Kashmir to China not to long after the 1962 war. Actually it's reality the simple fact is you would have lost a two sided war.

India is not a small island. If India face two front war then there will be no pakistan ,no India , only 40-50% china left out which is even conquered easily by their hostile neighbors then they led their life as slaves. Chinese are smart they won't act like pakistan.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

India is not small island. If India face two front war then there will be no pakistan ,no India , only 40-50% china left out which is even conquered easily by their neighbors then they led their life as slaves.

Were not talking about conquering all of India, Just Kashmir, Aksai Chin, and South Tibet. if pakistan entered the war at the time India would have lost, Today it's much different.