1965 war:The Chinese bluff

[qsaark]

He does not represent any Pakistani...... all what he wrote and you understood is your mutual talk which you both parties tried to send out loudly.

Got to be some good reason for it !!!!

I represent myself, a person who has read history as is, without taking sides. Jingoistic I never was and never will be. Do you have something different to tell? Please go ahead, I am curious to learn. Needless to say that you'd support your claims with books, articles, and de-classified documents, because in response to you, I'll fortify my claims with all these.

Do we have that kind of agreement today?

No, we don’t have any such agreement, and the probable reason is, we are still not decided who is our real friend, the Chinese or the Americans/British. China has never been our first priority; we seek Chinese help only after we are rejected by the Americans/British/Europeans. If we were not denied of the F-16s back in 90s, and if the M2K were not prohibitively expensive, do you think we were ever going to get into the JF-17 business? Chinese are also well aware of this fact, and even for them, we are not trustworthy.

 

[xinhui]

I am talking about peace here and exposing Chinese evil desire to ruin sub continent. Talk some thing to counter it if you can.

A word of advice. If one wants to carry out a meaningful exchange, being professional would help. Using words such as "evil desire" or "jingoistic" will not advance your goal.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

I agree with qsaark...

When beggar is rejected from one car..he goes to another...

"beggar" refers to some armed forces generals and politicians not people of Pakistan..but unfortunately people of Pakistan are not practical to question those power/money hunger monsters....
anyways..

There are MANY senior members who "only" support army and many members who support politicians in this forum...
When people like us say anything against army....pro army people blame us by telling stupid political stories...
They fail to understand that we are against corrupt system regardless of army or politicians...
I like Zaid Hamid but he only blames politicans for everything....
He smacks India but does not tell us the strategic mistakes committed by armed forces...

Our country was divided in two parts in 1971 and whenever people try to discuss the reasons of the conflict….Pro army people/army and politicians blame each other..

Tum mera ghar per kachra pekho..mien tumharay ghar per kachra phaikta hoon...




History is never one sided.

 

[Merilion]

@xinhui

no need to debate with a guy who intentionaly didnt use correct english word for 'chinese'. he is reported anyway.

 

[grey boy 2]

@xinhui

no need to debate with a guy who intentionaly didnt use correct english word for 'chinese'. he is reported anyway.

Yes, brother, I caught him doing that on his first post.

A typical Indian "racist" in full display.

 

[ambidex]

I sincerely apologies for this repeated mistake of for not using 'e' word in Chinese. i would like to tell more about using E word but i don't think people may be able to understand it. Humiliating a nation and making personal remarks is more dangerous than misspelling English words; those who are not congenial to our both native languages. Everyone here know your level of posting so do not try to win debate by your false allegations.

Regards.

 

[ambidex]

A word of advice. If one wants to carry out a meaningful exchange, being professional would help. Using words such as "evil desire" or "jingoistic" will not advance your goal.

I agree, but i was responding to a rant at that time. i be careful not to feed trolls.
Regards.

 

[ambidex]

@Ambidex:

Get over with your disputes with history. Such thoughts for vengeance gives rise to tension across nations; how do you expect the Indian border issues and conflicts to be solved this way?

This is what we should try to do, As i have mentioned in my previous posts that war between both countries will result in disadvantage for both even if one is winning the contest and history is evidence to this. Post 1971 India was not able to force Pakistan beyond LOC neither did occupied a single inch of BD. it will never happen due to spread of population and other international pressures. At the end of war one has to controle population not assets. I think the age of changing borders has gone forever. People are more interested in development but unfortunately big corporate nations are trying to hamper growth of subcontinent by means of fueling war thought in between India and Pakistan.
I am not trying to promote India as just, i have no strong argument to defend India for separation of east Pakistan but i can suggest that east Pakistan was doomed to be separated due its geography and its continuous hostile relations with India who was always there in east Pakistan's neighbourhood.

As it is said in defence that intelligent think of logistics, after and before 1965, Pakistan was supposed to think of east Pakistan sincerely and on priority as any nation would have done the same in 1971 what India did.

Pakistan could have implicated the UK model of commonwealth nations like queen is still a chairperson of OZ, NZ etc by integration of a autonomous govt. of east Pakistanis from the very start than physically policing.

Anyhow that was history, post 1971 Pakistan did his maths and must have calculated its strength against India so was never in a position to acclaim force on force advantage.
This is when insurgency in Kashmir started which further ruined our relationship. Rest is history, now we both are talking like super powers wants us to talk against each other. Both are at fault and its like a chain reaction now and difficult to rule out who is responsible for arm race at present.