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1904 China map admits Paracel, Spratly not Chinese territory

yes,history is history,nothing can change it.just like the fact that Japan was defeated in Second Sino-Japanese War.and lost all they got so if they want to get them back they need to launch the third war,so you can ask them to do so and see if they listen to you.

You have a legacy forged, the newspapers promoting narrow-minded nationalism is happening every day, aggressive claims of PLA leadership. China will be the risk of creating WW3.
 
chinese expedition force??? :hitwall: :hitwall:

its british and indian soldiers who fought and stopped Japan and INA(shame,because if they had not stopped them,history would be something else).

moron ,do some study before sh.t,we saved those British in Burma,otherwise they will be all captured

Battle of Yenangyaung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

its british and indian soldiers who fought and stopped Japan and INA(shame,because if they had not stopped them,history would be something else).

see what you brave Indians can do

The Japanese had advanced to Burma as her army had steamrollered all before it between 1942 and 1943. The British had surrendered at Singapore and the Americans, lead by Douglas MacArthur, had left the Philippines. As the Japanese advanced west, they came to Burma. Here their supply lines were stretched to the limit and only a minority of the Japanese Army was stationed there – the majority were in the Pacific region.

The main threat to the Japanese came from the Chinese Army in India (CAI). The Indian Army, under the British, had lost their best men to the campaign in North Africa. The British military hierarchy was also only prepared to take on the Japanese when it felt that British troops were sufficiently trained in jungle warfare.

In January 1943, Indian troops were given the task of advancing along the Burmese coast to the port of Akyab. This was done by the 14th Indian Division. They found only light Japanese resistance and many Japanese posts were manned by just a few soldiers. The real problem for the Allies was the environment. Burma was criss-crossed with jungle, mountains, rivers and mangrove swamps. Moving equipment was a nightmare across such hazardous terrain and worse was the constant threat of disease. Malaria was a very real problem.

Where the Japanese were stationed, they had dug themselves in. This made attacking them difficult as their bunkers had been well constructed and well camouflaged. Most could only be destroyed by heavy artillery and moving such equipment about in Burma was extremely difficult. Combined to the well-placed and well-built bunkers, was the fighting spirit of the Japanese who fought until death.

The 14th Indian Division launched a series of attacks against the Japanese at Akyab but after six weeks they had to pull back as a result of a Japanese counter-attack. The 14th Division returned to India – apparently highly demoralised as a result of their experience.
 
we saved a lot of your former masters

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A Chinese expeditionary force annihilated the entire Japanese 33rd Division in the Battle of Yenangyaung, of the first Burma campaign. They liberated around 7,000 British prisoners, took roughly 1,000 horses, and freed 500 other prisoners, which included American journalists and missionaries captured by the Japanese forces.
 
We sympathize with Vietnamese people. China's aggression must be countered and it will take the unity of ASEAN with powerful nations like USA, Russia, India to neutralize China's threat to SE Asian's access to the sea and to their territories that are within the EEZ.


Philippines performs very well recently in terms of economics. Now it looks to strengthen its military. VN is willing to step up its cooperations with the Philippines in all fields.


Here is a report from the Wallstreet Journal: Monday, July 23, 2012 As of 4:45 PM

Aquino Urges Expansion of Philippine Military

By CRIS LARANO

MANILA—Philippines President Benigno Aquino said Monday that the country is moving to expand its military capabilities but was quick to point out that the Southeast Asian nation isn't preparing for a fight over disputed territory in the South China Sea.

In his annual state of the nation address to Congress, Mr. Aquino urged lawmakers to pass a proposed Armed Forces modernization bill that will add 75 billion pesos ($1.8 billion) for defense spending in the next five years to acquire more cannons, personnel carriers, frigates and aircraft. The bill is pending in Congress and expected to be passed later this year, and will come on top of some 28 billion pesos his administration has already spent on military expansion since 2011.

It also comes as tensions are ratcheting up in other ways in the sea, as China pursues plans to deploy a military garrison in the newly established city of Sansha in the Xisha Islands, also known as the Paracel Islands, according to the state-run Xinhua news agency. Philippines and Vietnamese officials have protested the creation of the city, which Chinese authorities intend to use as an administration center to manage territories across the South China Sea. The sea—which is believed to contain sizable energy reserves and serves as one of the world's most important shipping lanes—is claimed in whole or in part by China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei.

The garrison will be a division-level command responsible for managing the city's national defense mobilization, military reserves and carrying out military operations, Xinhua said, though information regarding the number of soldiers or other details wasn't made available.

Even with Mr. Aquino's latest plans, the Philippines' military strength will still pale in comparison with China and some other Asian nations. But it is part of a wider arms build-up across the region which analysts worry could further raise tensions and increase the odds of a shooting war if diplomats fail to manage disputes in the sea carefully.

Mr. Aquino said more planes and attack helicopters are expected next year, while the country's second Hamilton Class cutter will soon arrive.

"Now, our 36,000 kilometers of coastline will be patrolled by more modern ships," Mr. Aquino said.

The Philippines and China recently had a two-month standoff in the disputed Scarborough Shoal—a chain of reefs and rocks in the South China Sea also known as Bajo de Masinloc—after Chinese fishermen were caught with endangered species by Philippine patrol ships. Ships involved in the standoff finally began to withdraw last month after heavy storms made it difficult for them to remain, but arguments have persisted over who controls what there.

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Philippine President Benigno Aquino III delivered his third State of the Nation address Monday in the House of Representatives in suburban Quezon City, north of Manila, the Philippines.

"There are those who say that we should let Bajo de Masinloc go; we should avoid the trouble. But if someone entered your yard and told you he owned it, would you agree? Would it be right to give away that which is rightfully ours?" Mr. Aquino said.

"This is not a simple situation, and there can be no simple solutions. Rest assured: We are consulting experts, every leader of our nation, our allies—even those on the other side—to find a resolution that is acceptable to all," Mr. Aquino added.

China's Foreign Ministry didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

Also during the one-and-a-half-hour-long speech that was broadcast live, President Aquino said that a highly touted anticorruption agenda put in place by his government had helped boost economic growth, helping give the Philippines the strongest growth in Southeast Asia in the first quarter of the year. He noted that the Philippines has also overseen the creation of over three million jobs and several credit rating upgrades in nearly three years, which in turn has helped restore investor confidence and boost tourist arrivals.

He said the strong investor confidence in the country was evident in the recent robust performance of the stock market and the praise the Philippines has won from international financial publications and foreign investors.

Mr. Aquino also urged Congress to pass proposed revisions to a tobacco and alcoholic drinks tax, or better known as sin tax, to generate more revenue for social services, infrastructure projects and improving military capability.

He said that as early as next year, the Philippines—which several years ago was the world's largest importer of rice—will be a net exporter of the grain, while tourist arrivals should hit a record 4.6 million this year. Mr. Aquino is hopeful that before he steps down in 2016, there will be 10 million tourists visiting the Philippines.
—Patrick Barta and Jeremy Page contributed to this article.

Aquino Urges Expansion of Philippine Military - WSJ.com
 
Korea has kings. But from what I read, Vietnam has emperors that is regarded as equal to China. But at the same time, it also regard Chinese emperor as superior. That is why its confusing. There seems to be two different type of relationships between China and Vietnam. Unfortunately, the Vietnamese here would rather troll instead of answer my question. So I'm still as confused as before. finally, things I can find online are just as confusing.

Vietnam is not same as the Chinese. after the war, we always respect and friendship with Vietnam opponents.
Ex: after your ancestors more than 100,000 dead in DONG DA. we have peace with China and admiration of the Qing king.
after the battle of Dien Bien Phu, we have signed peace treaties with France.
after the war with America and the unification in 1975, Vietnam and the U.S. are strategic partners.
China is doing the opposite. Look at the way propagating narrow nationalist when talking about the Japanese, Indians, USA, Philippines, Vietnam ..., we read newspapers, watch Chinese movies, so we understand why the Chinese poisoned culture.
 
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Chinese language expert Mai Hong points at Hai Nan Island in a 1904 Chinese map, which noted the island as China’s southernmost tip.
A Chinese language expert in Vietnam has an official map of China from 1904 that does not show Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly) islands as belonging to that country.

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I have taught you fools 100 hundred times: get yourself educated, get yourself educated!

LOL!

According this map, the “sacred origin” of Qing Dynasty, which is northern east of, and including, today’s HeiLongJiang province of China, is not shown, either. Does that mean Qing gave up Heilongjiang, Jili already. :lol:

Illiterate Viets, you guys are nothing but a laughing stock in front of the world.

Why don’t you produce a “map” that only show He Nan province and claiming this is the only China.

And then produce a Dia Viet “map” up to wherever you like and claiming this is Vietnam.

Just knocking you wake-up: since your divorce with China and free to go bed with any other, the properties among you and China have never been clearly divided until recently that you demarcated land properties. But sea properties are still in dispute.

I know a tiny ripple of anti-China "evidence" will cause your blood boil like Witches Brew. Your guys are hopelessly clueless, and fre@kingly amusing!

:rofl:

China want tibet
China want Arunachal Pradesh from India
China want Island from Vietnam
China Want Taiwan
China want Island from Philipines
China want Island from Japan...
China want Island from Korea
China has territorial dispute with Bhutan...
China dispute over Sparty Island with Brunei
China want South China Sea...
China has territorial dispute with Myanmar
Did i miss something....

Dude leave something for others tooo......

and here people from our neighbor countries say that India is the most aggressive country when its come to its neighborhood....

Indian cheer leaders, get you self educated before cheering!

Do you know what are you cheering?

:rofl:
 
Just wondering whether old maps are enuf evidence in the international courts for such claims ? If so the British may open their old maps from the history museums and claim half of the world !!!!:what:

I would rather expect all nations surronding SCS to follow EEZ according to UNCLOS instead of depending on "old maps"
 
In the first France Vietnam war, 1858-1883 we lost this war when France troops over flooding Hanoi. One year later 1884, France Navy attacked China for open free trading only, other than stop interfer of Qing into Vietnam. In fact after losing of Hanoi, many troops of Viets went to China, are waiting for chance to regain independence for Vietnam.

" In fact after losing of Hanoi, many troops of Viets went to China, ..." Nice. But please don't tell us, or rather change your textbook and tell your children, the next day that you occupied China. But do show your gratitude towards China.

Just wondering whether old maps are enuf evidence in the international courts for such claims ? If so the British may open their old maps from the history museums and claim half of the world !!!!:what:

I would rather expect all nations surronding SCS to follow EEZ according to UNCLOS instead of depending on "old maps"

It all depends.

If the Viets want Chinese islands, they will show one type of maps that everything belonged to Dai Viet. If the Viets want to show how China was aggressive, they would show another type of maps that everything was occupied by China.

For instance, they would laugh at Yuan occupation of China, obviously thinking Yuan was not Chinese. On second moment, they would proudly tell you they repelled Chinese invasion of Yuan Dynasty, now believing that Yuan is Chinese. :lol:

As I said in other post, today anything anti-China would make their blood burn like boiling witches brew in the cauldron...

internet Vietnamese are a such laughing stock... no education , no logical reasoning,... but a bag of boiling bloody thing... :lol:
 
All the Chinese Imperial Maps that I've seen show that Hainan is the southernmost territory of China. Even the Chinese Envoy who was sent here in the Philippines to fetch the remnants of the Pirate King Limahong says that the Chinese Imperial gov't doesn't claim any island beyond Taiwan.

All what you see is like all what a frog sees from the bottom of a well.
 
Yes, by the beginning years of last century when authority protest to China about chinese sea pirates robed on Hoangsa, Cantonese Governor answered that : Islands not belong to China, so China didn't have responsible about such accidents.

If you are not lying, show us facts that Cantonese Governor said so;

When?

Where?

The name of the Governor?

The exact statement?

Don't lie blatantly in front of the world!
 
you are really a illiterate,history is history ,they are done facts.history is not ifs and buts.China won the war and as an ally force we helped each other to achieve our victory.can you read and understand historical documents at all?
Kinda contradictory and self praising, ya think?

Japan in its heydays only managed to control less than a third of China
And how large was Japan compared to China?

if Japan won,why did they have to hand in this "ACT OF SURRENDER" to the Chinese government?
The formal act of surrender was not to China but was to an agent of the Allied powers.

Bottom line is this: Without the naval defeat of Imperial Japan by the US, that 1/3 of China would still be under Japan's control.
 
" In fact after losing of Hanoi, many troops of Viets went to China, ..." Nice. But please don't tell us, or rather change your textbook and tell your children, the next day that you occupied China. But do show your gratitude towards China.



It all depends.

If the Viets want Chinese islands, they will show one type of maps that everything belonged to Dai Viet. If the Viets want to show how China was aggressive, they would show another type of maps that everything was occupied by China.

For instance, they would laugh at Yuan occupation of China, obviously thinking Yuan was not Chinese. On second moment, they would proudly tell you they repelled Chinese invasion of Yuan Dynasty, now believing that Yuan is Chinese. :lol:

As I said in other post, today anything anti-China would make their blood burn like boiling witches brew in the cauldron...

internet Vietnamese are a such laughing stock... no education , no logical reasoning,... but a bag of boiling bloody thing... :lol:

Hey then what about the chinese ? they seem to be more fond of the ancient maps to claim disputed territories .... your analogy applies to china too ....

What is your view on expect all nations surronding SCS to follow EEZ according to UNCLOS instead of depending on "old maps"
 
Hey then what about the chinese ? they seem to be more fond of the ancient maps to claim disputed territories .... your analogy applies to china too ....

What is your view on expect all nations surronding SCS to follow EEZ according to UNCLOS instead of depending on "old maps"

Regardless of which nation, map is only one way to claim, there are lot more other factors, such as power, etc. For instance , without power, India wouldn't be able to take over Goa.

The problem with many Internet Viets is that a simple partial truth can make their blood boil recklessly. And they deny themselves from the whole truth.

Taking their show of 1904 map for instance, the map doesn't even include Qing Dynasty's NE part where they considered as their "old home place"... it's a simple focus on mainland China. and the foolish and ill-educated bunch start to propaganda like their communist regime.

LOL, even today lots of maps China don't show it's peripheral parts as they are none essential to the point of the map. Does that mean China renounces those areas? :lol:

It's a joke! It's just another laughing stock from the Viets...
 
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