170 suspects nabbed in Quetta operations: BBC (Payback time Jhangvi)

[Erhabi]

That is great. Is that from where the entire Awan tribe descended? This is very interesting and could enhance my knowledge. Is there any figure who is Awan that is historically held in high regard. For example our ancestor from mothers side is Qutb Uddin Shaheed. He was assasinated for his support to Akbar. Check this, its our house which became a school of learning:

Firangi Mahal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you have family legends. Wait let me start the Pakistani culture thread again. Post your next reply here:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/236377-cultures-colors-pakistan.html

Though I suspect I am boring you with long posts. :p



In the past scholars had a role in writing history though I believe travellers and historians have been the most famous. Take for example Ibn Battuta and Pashtun historian Fareshta. Sorry for dragging Pashtuns in everywhere. I am an ajooba in my family who considers himself Pashtun (After Pakistani of course) and has learnt so much Pashtun history it is electrifying my brain. Suris, Lodhis, Khiljis, Ghaznavids, Ghorids, the 3 ancient poets, Pir Roshan Malala of Maiwand... I know it all!



The Pashtun links are barely proven (even if they exist it means only 15% blood) and you know how it is. Pathans living in that region lost Pashto and even we, if we have them have very limited links which even my parents don't know about since they haven't researched our history. Our link is supposed to be through a Pashtun princess. We are not sure who she was.

After 47 (I say after because we moved late-my mother came in late 70's I think to get married) we moved from those parts to Pakistan though I have family in there (Lucknow and other parts) too, mostly from my mothers side to which I am loyal-this hampers my wish to merge as a Pashtun though Pir Roshan a Pashtun philosopher was also Ansari. After that those who moved to Pakistan, that branch of our family started calling itself muhajir (because they spoke urdu-it happened with rohillas too-research them) which I believe is wrong and a very fake incorrect term that is actually abusive. It means religious pilgrim for godsake. How do city dwelling folk look like pilgrims.

Personally yes. That was my plan but no one marries a sick guy. haha. I will learn Pashto though zama Pashto kha na da (my Pashto is not good)... Ze Pashto wayyem (I'm studying Pashto) through notes on pc.

I believe we should take this discussion elsewhere if we really wish to discuss family history as it is off-topic here. (On the other thread maybe) But I love talking about it as I am an avid student of history-and not just family history but any history.

thats not boring...Infact i am more interested in history thn defence or anything...I recommend you read the novels of Naseem Hijazi..If you are from Lucknow thn your Urdu must be really good..famous personalities? I dont know but Shakeel Ahmed(my mother side) did recieved Sitara e Imtiaz from General Ayub Khan for his services in 1965 as a war commentator and my chachu Amanullah and his 6 friends went to Afghanistan to fight Russians..m proud of him but his views on Afghan Jihad changed when he came back from war..I never get the chance to ask him why and he never told me..his 6 friends also got martyred..only he survived..n now he is an Electrical engineer and also converted and married a canadian girl...hez my ideal personality ..n very famous for me ...and I know even my great great grandfather name..When i will go to Pakistan I ll search for my Shijra e nasb ...dada jaan k pass hoga INSHALLAH

and yeah there are many kinds of Awans...but only real onez are Qutb Shahis..some of them also use Alvi instead of Awan

 

[nair]

My point is u need to secure yr borders yrself.....u cant blame others for ur failure to provide security to yr people.



Sure n yr too, whose to blame us!! is a favorite hobby...........


@KRAIT and @nair


Besides u cant tell us who is good or whose bad terrorist as well and take action against who n who not.......

Hamari responsibility sirf hamary mulk ki ha ap k mulk ki nai.
First tight yr borders so no one can penetrate....End of Story.

I think we both are in agreement here........ We can not tell you (we dont want either) who is good or who is bad terrorist... You need to decide for yourself......What indians think (which you may not/need not agree to) that there is no good or bad terrorist..... there is no colour of terrorist..... they belong to 1 group who enjoy killing innocent people...... (again it is our perception - you can disagree to us)

With respect to protecting our boarders... you are right it is the responsibility of the government and its agencies to keep the boarder tight fro intrusion.... and yes we are progressing init....... but our enemies some how break the surveillance and come inside (eg 26/11).... Now we have some how sealed that area... But enemy will try to find another opening..... GOI will try to secure the boarder as much as it can...But the source of this problem remains intact...... I can write beyond this...... but it will get into an argument and i am not good in it.....