16th December 1971: From East Pakistan to Bangladesh

[kalu_miah]

cross posted:
Even in 1971, Awami League wasn't stating it wanted independence: Srinath Raghavan | Page 3 | Pakistan Defence

@asad71 Bhai, thanks for the post above. I found more info on this Larkana conspiracy issue here, and also a lot of other interesting info:

History of Bangladesh
Muktijuddho (Bangladesh Liberation War 1971) part 2 - oath of allegiance, future Prime Minister Mujib, Larkana Conspiracy, Bhutto meets Sheikh Mujib - History of Bangladesh
Bhasha Andolon (Bangladesh language movement 1948-1952) part 4 - Jinnah declaration, Arabization of Bangla - History of Bangladesh
Untold Facts » Blog Archive » Road to March 1971: Birth Pangs of a Nation

In the larger scheme of things, in the broad sweep of history, arrival of Islam in Bengal, formation of Pakistan and then its division in 1971, must be looked at from the larger perspective. Most non-Muslim societies and powers in the world have viewed Islam and its geopolitical goals with suspicion, as it has been a major force in the world since its birth. So whenever the question of secularization of Islamic or Muslim societies arise, there is agreement on this issue among non-Muslim powers. So the "secular Muslims" must be looked at with suspicion in any given Muslim society, as agents of non-Muslim imperial powers (or even non-Sunni powers) from near or far. In Bangladesh, Turkey, Indonesia and even Pakistan, we can see examples of this phenomenon.

So 1971 could be looked at as setback for Islam and the Muslim world and a win for the non-Muslim world, but it does not have to be. As long as our population in Bangladesh rediscovers Islam and rediscovers the value it provides against colonial oppression of non-Muslim powers from near or far, we will be on the right track.

Whether due to Indian design, or due to our own fault, particularly the fault of shortsightedness of our leaders, or a mixture of both, for which 1971 war precipitated and as a result bridges between these two Muslim communities have been burned to a large extent, it will take a lot of work to rebuild it. I think brinkmanship of Mujib and shortsightedness of communist leaders, even our venerated Bhashani, who supported an Islamic version of socialism, were specially responsible for the conflict, because they failed to see the nature of Indian threat for an independent Bangladesh. I will not mention the fault of the feudal and military elite of Pakistan who did not want to share power with an uppity East Pakistani political class, mainly because they rightly judged that the commitment of these East Pakistani leaders (Mujib, Bhashani, Shiraj Sikder et al) towards the integrity of Pakistan was questionable at best.

My personal view is that the rebuilding of bridge should start with the foundation of a neutral UN sponsored investigation, in order to delegitimize propaganda from any side, specially from our sworn enemy.

In order for us to build bridges with the greater Muslim world, there is some unfinished business. One is the matter of an Arabic as well as an English script for Bengali, which I would like to see that we start on a limited basis. Script does not make or break a living language, but changing them can make us more open to other cultures. Since we would like to limit our relationship with India and enhance our relationship with the wider globe as well as the Muslim world, I think the time has come to shift away from the Devnagari based Bangla script in a long series of steps. We do not need to abolish the original old script, but one should be able to choose the script one wants to use from among English (Latin), Arabic and original Bangla script.

@M_Saint Bhai, your kind comments please.

 

[Armstrong]

So @BDforever - What is happening here ?

 

[M_Saint]

cross posted:
Even in 1971, Awami League wasn't stating it wanted independence: Srinath Raghavan | Page 3 | Pakistan Defence

@asad71 Bhai, thanks for the post above. I found more info on this Larkana conspiracy issue here, and also a lot of other interesting info:

History of Bangladesh
Muktijuddho (Bangladesh Liberation War 1971) part 2 - oath of allegiance, future Prime Minister Mujib, Larkana Conspiracy, Bhutto meets Sheikh Mujib - History of Bangladesh
Bhasha Andolon (Bangladesh language movement 1948-1952) part 4 - Jinnah declaration, Arabization of Bangla - History of Bangladesh
Untold Facts » Blog Archive » Road to March 1971: Birth Pangs of a Nation

In the larger scheme of things, in the broad sweep of history, arrival of Islam in Bengal, formation of Pakistan and then its division in 1971, must be looked at from the larger perspective. Most non-Muslim societies and powers in the world have viewed Islam and its geopolitical goals with suspicion, as it has been a major force in the world since its birth. So whenever the question of secularization of Islamic or Muslim societies arise, there is agreement on this issue among non-Muslim powers. So the "secular Muslims" must be looked at with suspicion in any given Muslim society, as agents of non-Muslim imperial powers (or even non-Sunni powers) from near or far. In Bangladesh, Turkey, Indonesia and even Pakistan, we can see examples of this phenomenon.

So 1971 could be looked at as setback for Islam and the Muslim world and a win for the non-Muslim world, but it does not have to be. As long as our population in Bangladesh rediscovers Islam and rediscovers the value it provides against colonial oppression of non-Muslim powers from near or far, we will be on the right track.

Whether due to Indian design, or due to our own fault, particularly the fault of shortsightedness of our leaders, or a mixture of both, for which 1971 war precipitated and as a result bridges between these two Muslim communities have been burned to a large extent, it will take a lot of work to rebuild it. I think brinkmanship of Mujib and shortsightedness of communist leaders, even our venerated Bhashani, who supported an Islamic version of socialism, were specially responsible for the conflict, because they failed to see the nature of Indian threat for an independent Bangladesh. I will not mention the fault of the feudal and military elite of Pakistan who did not want to share power with an uppity East Pakistani political class, mainly because they rightly judged that the commitment of these East Pakistani leaders (Mujib, Bhashani, Shiraj Sikder et al) towards the integrity of Pakistan was questionable at best.

My personal view is that the rebuilding of bridge should start with the foundation of a neutral UN sponsored investigation, in order to delegitimize propaganda from any side, specially from our sworn enemy.

In order for us to build bridges with the greater Muslim world, there is some unfinished business. One is the matter of an Arabic as well as an English script for Bengali, which I would like to see that we start on a limited basis. Script does not make or break a living, but changing them can make us more open to other cultures. Since we would like to limit our relationship with India and enhance our relationship with the wider globe as well as the Muslim world, I think the time has come to shift away from the Devnagari based Bangla script in a long series of steps. We do not need to abolish the original old script, but one should be able to choose the script one wants to use from among English (Latin), Arabic and original Bangla script.

@M_Saint Bhai, your kind comments please.

Kalu Bhai, U have wonderfully summarized the saga of the creation of Bangladesh and its impact on larger perspective of Muslims. I'VE concluded that Pagan can't even convert non-practising of ours, so they have pushed communism to our land as a mid-course to Hinduise us. Unfortunately even the likes of Vashani and Siraj Sikder had swallowed that pill, for which commies of our time can openly boast on their Lathi-baita pursuits. And finally, the root of the evil (I.E. Devangiri script) has been identified that needs to be reversed back to the Sultani Bangla's script, IMHO.

 

[Armstrong]

Kalu Bhai, U have wonderfully summarized the saga of the creation of Bangladesh and its impact on larger perspective of Muslims. I'VE concluded that Pagan can't even convert non-practising of ours, so they have pushed communism to our land as a mid-course to Hinduise us. Unfortunately even the likes of Vashani had swallowed that pill, for which commies of our time can openly boast on their Lathi-baita pursuit. And finally, the root of the evil (I.E. Devangiri script) has been identified that needs to be reversed back to the Sultani Bangla's script, IMHO.

What is that ?

What script are you talking about ?

And how could the script of a language provide reasoning enough to be considered 'the root of the evil' ?

 

[M_Saint]

What is that ?

What script are you talking about ?

And how could the script of a language provide reasoning enough to be considered 'the root of the evil' ?

AFAIK, Sultans and their companions of Bengal used to write Bengali differently from current (Derived from Devanagari) script. That's the one I was referring. As writing is the medium of making things documented, its impact is far more than verbosity in mind and body. Perhaps the most in educational and administerial endeavors. A script closer to autocratic practice would lead UR mindset to be one it. Similarly, another to humanitarian one, would lead those to be such. Thus the medium of the written expression could be compared with DNA/ROOT'S mutation of mind, understand now?

 

[Armstrong]

AFAIK, Sultans and their companions of Bengal used to write Bengali differently from current (Derived from Devanagari) script. That's the one I was referring. As writing is the medium of making things documented, its impact is far more than verbosity in mind and body. Perhaps the most in educational and administerial endeavors. A script closer to autocratic practice would lead UR mindset to be one it. Similarly, another to humanitarian one, would lead those to be such. Thus the medium of the written expression could be compared with DNA/ROOT'S mutation of mind, understand now?

Yes I understand it though I do not agree with it; the language remains yours & any change in its writing style may have emotional vestments to it as in if it was asked the Bengali should be changed to the Persian Nastaliq Script that Urdu & the rest of the languages of Pakistan are written in, in the years leading up to '71 - The Bengalis would probably never accept that !

But apart from that emotional vestment I don't see how changing of a script would change the thoughts of that Civilization or that Ethnicity preserved in that language unless of course if they were changed along side it !

 

[kalu_miah]

Kalu Bhai, U have wonderfully summarized the saga of the creation of Bangladesh and its impact on larger perspective of Muslims. I'VE concluded that Pagan can't even convert non-practising of ours, so they have pushed communism to our land as a mid-course to Hinduise us. Unfortunately even the likes of Vashani and Siraj Sikder had swallowed that pill, for which commies of our time can openly boast on their Lathi-baita pursuits. And finally, the root of the evil (I.E. Devangiri script) has been identified that needs to be reversed back to the Sultani Bangla's script, IMHO.

M_Saint Bhai, thanks for the kind words. Marxist Communism failed spectacularly, now the largest officially communist country, PRC, is also increasingly moving towards market based economy and private ownership. So Indian plan now is to use "secular atheism" in collaboration with zionist Islamophobia industry, as an intermediate step, while at the same time continue to Hinduize our culture, using Indian Bangla satellite TV channel and Bollywood, so people can become imbued more and more with "1971 Muktijuddho chetona" read "the chetona to become proud Indian slaves".

As for the new scripts, I would support:

- Contemporary Arabic script (so we can easily learn to read and write contemporary Arabic, to build bridges with the 500 million strong Arab world)
- English alphabets (for easy learning of English, a global language, Turkey for example uses latin alphabets with some special alphabets)
- the original script to remain as an option

Language is for present and future, while keeping as much of the past alive as is practical. And we should start dropping all these Sanskrit words and use Arabic and English loan words instead. I think it will happen naturally once new scripts and alphabets are introduced.

As Iran is not an important country for Bangladesh, we have no reason to lean towards Persian scripts or loan words.

This is a new subject and does not belong in this thread. If someone is interested, we can open a new thread to discuss this issue.

 

[BDforever]

So @BDforever - What is happening here ?

i do not follow this thread for long time, so i do not know

 

[khair_ctg]

AFAIK, Sultans and their companions of Bengal used to write Bengali differently from current (Derived from Devanagari) script. That's the one I was referring. As writing is the medium of making things documented, its impact is far more than verbosity in mind and body. Perhaps the most in educational and administerial endeavors. A script closer to autocratic practice would lead UR mindset to be one it. Similarly, another to humanitarian one, would lead those to be such. Thus the medium of the written expression could be compared with DNA/ROOT'S mutation of mind, understand now?

i came across information on use of Farsi, Musalmani Bengali and Urdu (synonymous with Hindustani/Persianized Hindi) in Bengal, besides the exclusive Sanskrit Bengali of Hindus. i had an assumption that Bengali Muslims during then did not write Musalmani Bengali, it was only spoken. but i could be wrong. a lot changed in the colonial times I suppose as the Hindu Brahmin class ascended to power. i unfortunately don't have a lot of time at present, so i will try to post something comprehensively and with reference in the future Inshaallah

 

[kalu_miah]

Must read for all who want to know about 1971 war and what happened between 1972-1975 in Bangladesh:
Fulbright Scholar Stories: Lawrence Stephen Lifschultz

http://www.nirmaaan.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/unfinished-revolution.pdf

 

[asad71]

Must read for all who want to know about 1971 war and what happened between 1972-1975 in Bangladesh:
Fulbright Scholar Stories: Lawrence Stephen Lifschultz

http://www.nirmaaan.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/unfinished-revolution.pdf

1.A cautionary note.Lifschultz is an American Jew posing as a journalist/columnist/writer/researcher. He has the unique distinction of having been kicked out by all three countries - BD (Gen Zia),India and Pakistan (Gen Zia). During the Afghan Jihad, Pak Intel had apprehended him in the Khyber trying to establish a link between clandestine Israelis and the Mujahids.
2.He returned during Mush era and married a Pakistani girl teaching in Beacon Hall, Islamabad.
3. During the trial of the CIA-inspired killing of Sheikh Mujib, this guy was brought in by the prosecution to testify against the killers - although what he had to say was all;hearsay collected during his writings.
4. Obviously Lifschultz is on the payroll of both CIA and Mossad.

 

[monitor]

Interview reveal KGB role in creation of Bangladesh

 

[kalu_miah]

1.A cautionary note.Lifschultz is an American Jew posing as a journalist/columnist/writer/researcher. He has the unique distinction of having been kicked out by all three countries - BD (Gen Zia),India and Pakistan (Gen Zia). During the Afghan Jihad, Pak Intel had apprehended him in the Khyber trying to establish a link between clandestine Israelis and the Mujahids.
2.He returned during Mush era and married a Pakistani girl teaching in Beacon Hall, Islamabad.
3. During the trial of the CIA-inspired killing of Sheikh Mujib, this guy was brought in by the prosecution to testify against the killers - although what he had to say was all;hearsay collected during his writings.
4. Obviously Lifschultz is on the payroll of both CIA and Mossad.

Its possible, but his writing has a lot of information that is useful and I did not find any Zionist sympathy in his writing, what I found is that he was overly sympathetic to socialist revolutionary like Col. Taher and Ziauddin, both of JSD.

 

[Kompromat]

THE END OF UNION.

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[asad71]

Its possible, but his writing has a lot of information that is useful and I did not find any Zionist sympathy in his writing, what I found is that he was overly sympathetic to socialist revolutionary like Col. Taher and Ziauddin, both of JSD.

Ziauddin was initially head of the armed wing of Sarbahara Party.He headed it after the arrest and slaying of Siraj Sikdar. He had studied Marx well and some of his papers were appreciated by fellow communists in USSR and Albania. Taher used to maintain covert links with Maj Jalil and FF elements in BA, but I do not believe the armed wing of JSD was anything beyond a conceptual stage. Unlike Ziauddin, Taher had remained confused about Marxist theories, and till the end he was hoping he would be able to bring Jalil, Kader Siddiqui and Ziauddin under one forum which he would lead. Little did he realize that Siddiqui and Ziauddin were poles apart in their dogma. All along he had made frantic efforts to contact Ziauddin and Siddiqui but had failed.