1500 years old Bible in which 'Jesus predicts coming of Prophet Muhammad' unearthed in Turkey

[W.11]

here is the thing: when you say only quran has been preserved, and all other religious texts have been altered and are not true in their teaching, that's what starts the religious fight.
how could you claim Quran has never been altered?? were you there sitting by quran and making sure that no one alters it?? Or you just have been told by someone and you took his words as the reality?
(lets assume Quran has not been altered, but what about its msg? why are there fights amng Muslims as i am sure quran doesn't teach fighting.)
Bottom line: Quran msg has been altered just like any other religious books by certain groups who wanted to have power to control majority.

oh and btw..i know you don't give rats ***...its hard to argue with religious person.

the original quranic script from the prophet's time been preserved, you can do the carbon dating test of it and be sure about it, anything else?

 

[Dubious]

For those who find this topic offensive please leave
for those who cant do a clean debate please leave...

This is simply to avoid the thread from going down the trash!

I do not like to discuss with people who cant debate and keep trolling with questions which have been answered or with questions which carry no merit or just say things to discredit others so that they can shine...

Thank you

@MarkusS Sorry mate if any of this is offensive then I am sorry in advance...But debates happen you either take part or leave....choice is yours!

 

[Dubious]

here is the thing: when you say only quran has been preserved, and all other religious texts have been altered and are not true in their teaching, that's what starts the religious fight.
how could you claim Quran has never been altered?? were you there sitting by quran and making sure that no one alters it?? Or you just have been told by someone and you took his words as the reality?
(lets assume Quran has not been altered, but what about its msg? why are there fights amng Muslims as i am sure quran doesn't teach fighting.)
Bottom line: Quran msg has been altered just like any other religious books by certain groups who wanted to have power to control majority.

oh and btw..i know you don't give rats ***...its hard to argue with religious person.

Bottom line? Wow...how did it become bottom line when all you did was coz I said so scenario...Where is your proofs?

Historians have not been able to proof any alterations in the Quran so where do you put yourself? In the liars corner?

 

[MarkusS]

For those who find this topic offensive please leave
for those who cant do a clean debate please leave...

This is simply to avoid the thread from going down the trash!

I do not like to discuss with people who cant debate and keep trolling with questions which have been answered or with questions which carry no merit or just say things to discredit others so that they can shine...

Thank you

@MarkusS Sorry mate if any of this is offensive then I am sorry in advance...But debates happen you either take part or leave....choice is yours!

You think it is ok to insult my religion? Thats serious question.

 

[Dubious]

@Talon it is said the Quran that he was foretold in the original books, what will you find in the altered ones that we do not accept? Although you can find hints in the bible of foreshadowing but like I said it is talking in the third person and does not mention Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

I doubt you will find the Prophet's name ...it is said they (the people of that time) were presented with signs....so that is all that people look for....the coming of another prophet or the other man will do this or something like that....

Well, I dont know it is debatable..

I never finished reading the bible the German pastor told me about...so I really dont know...

I cant read the gita without getting lost with all the names of the people and places! Its endless how soo many characters and places are mentioned and everyone is supposed to know who is what and where such a place is in modern terms!

 

[Dubious]

You think it is ok to insult my religion? Thats serious question.

My question is how is it insulting your religion?

The news shows a bible found dating 1500 yrs....how is that insulting your religion? So you mean to say debates should not happen? No one should be allowed for an opinion or a thought and no one should be able to question believes?

 

[MarkusS]

My question is how is it insulting your religion?

The news shows a bible found dating 1500 yrs....how is that insulting your religion? So you mean to say debates should not happen? No one should be allowed for an opinion or a thought and no one should be able to question believes?

This "bible" is a hoax and fake. But if you like debate, we have historians in europe who think Muhammed never existed. We can debate that if you want.

 

[My-Analogous]

here is the thing: when you say only quran has been preserved, and all other religious texts have been altered and are not true in their teaching, that's what starts the religious fight.
how could you claim Quran has never been altered?? were you there sitting by quran and making sure that no one alters it?? Or you just have been told by someone and you took his words as the reality?
(lets assume Quran has not been altered, but what about its msg? why are there fights amng Muslims as i am sure quran doesn't teach fighting.)
Bottom line: Quran msg has been altered just like any other religious books by certain groups who wanted to have power to control majority.

oh and btw..i know you don't give rats ***...its hard to argue with religious person.

Mate for last 1400 years the main text of Qur'an is Arabic and we are non-Arabic but to perform our religious activities we have to read Arabic (Salat / Namaz, etc) so our mode to perform our religious activities is Arabic and because of that it never changes, yes but translation of Qur'an changes according to human mind understanding of that time. Can you show us original Bible in Jesus (PBUH) mother language?

 

[Dubious]

This "bible" is a hoax and fake. But if you like debate, we have historians in europe who think Muhammed never existed. We can debate that if you want.

Sure we can....Bring forward your proof...

His very existence is marked in History!

 

[MarkusS]

Sure we can....Bring forward your proof...

His very existence is marked in History!

No its not, There is no evidence that he really existed.

 

[DesiGuy]

@Talon

The fighting between Muslims is not religious and is based on politics. One side believes in elected leadership and the other believes in a royal bloodline.

there are religious difference between both Sunni and Shi'a and not all muslims share the same view.

 

[Dubious]

No its not, There is no evidence that he really existed.

That is not evidence..that is a person talking....evidence means ancient books, relics, accounts dating 1400 years back not 20th century person wanting free fame!

 

[MarkusS]

That is not evidence..that is a person talking....evidence means ancient books, relics, accounts dating 1400 years back not 20th century person wanting free fame!

There is not one scource from outside that proves muhammad existence.

 

[My-Analogous]

This "bible" is a hoax and fake. But if you like debate, we have historians in europe who think Muhammed never existed. We can debate that if you want.

In European, you have historians who also said that Jesus is white skinned and his family migrated to Asia. . Our prophet not only exist but also buried in Medina. Next time these idiot will say that they didn't find any grave of Jesus so Jesus didn't exist

 

[Dubious]

there are religious difference between both Sunni and Shi'a and not all muslims share the same view.

We worship the same GOD
We share the same 5 pricipals
We have the same 6 articles of Imaan
We have the same prophet
We believe up to the same Prophet (who brought the religion)
We pray facing the same kabbah