1500 years old Bible in which 'Jesus predicts coming of Prophet Muhammad' unearthed in Turkey

[W.11]

Even Hindu holy book Gita predicts about Prophet Muhammad.

And now this news......

See? Now we have one more reason to believe that Gita and Bible both are authentic

no it means that they preached same religion all this time but it got manipulated, gita and bible got changed but few of its texts were unchanged

 

[Dubious]

The muslim prophet is not in any bible. Thats a simple fact.

Ok....he is not...now tell the media to stop posting such things ...hide it well because no one wants to know what that bible in Turkey says....everyone is happy with what they know ..truth will only insult the believers!

 

[KingMamba]

How is he a loser...I might not agree with stephen hawking but i still respect that guy...learn to respect because he does give respect other religious books/mullahs there can be disagreement and agreement in a peaceful respectaful way No?

Ok fine he is not a loser.

My point of contention with him is that he tries to convert non-Muslims using their holy books but we as Muslims believe that all the other holy books of the world have lost their authenticity because of human involvement in the books usually for political reasons. So while we respect the Ahle Kitab for being people who were given holy books we cannot deem their books as authentic, now the problem arrives when people like Zakir Naik try and give approval to bits and pieces of the Bible to try and legitimize our own religion. That is a horrible approach because we cannot be sure which parts of the books have been altered and which remain unchanged. Also the tendency usually involves finding a verse that talks about somebody in third person and then Zakir Naik claims it is referring to Prophet Muhammad PBUH. That is just a deceitful approach that we should not encourage. We do not need the other books to prove the merits of our own religion.

The exception would be the book of the Parsis where the prediction could in no way be referring to anyone but our beloved Prophet.

 

[DesiGuy]

To start if anyone is fanatic then he/she doesn't know religion well...a sane mind would not be fanatic delusional..

if someone is a sane mind in the first place, he doesn't need religious guidance to know what's right/wrong. A sane mind becomes too narrow minded by following religion "supreme" guidance.
"Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men."

 

[KingMamba]

The muslim prophet is not in any bible. Thats a simple fact.

Yes because the bible has been altered thousands of times.

Case in point
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[DesiGuy]

no it means that they preached same religion all this time but it got manipulated, gita and bible got changed but few of its texts were unchanged

Ha...i love when muslims say that. It sounds too cute. In other words, you are just saying other religious books are wrong and our is right.
How you are different from any other religious fanatic.

Luftwaffe: he further proved the point I was making.

 

[Gautam]

no it means that they preached same religion all this time but it got manipulated, gita and bible got changed but few of its texts were unchanged

I havent read Gita so I am not sure. I had read somewhere that Gita mentions the prophet. So I just shared my views.

p.s.
Lets not talk about it yaar. You and me have a lot to fight other than this

 

[MarkusS]

Yes because the bible has been altered thousands of times.

Case in point
Request Rejected

ha ha i´m catholic. I know our bible so don´t lecture me in my religion. grazie.

 

[KingMamba]

the thing is, they want desperately to show Christianity,Judaism all are wrong. but, cannot even tolerate 1% if Islam critical things are shared. that is the hypocrisy.

Christians don't even worship Allah. they worship the God of Abraham,Ishaaq and Yacoub. YAHWEH - the Jewish God and Christian God may be similar. Muslims won't look into the claim of Blackstone worship and Pagan God angle . neither the history of Muhammad. Phir talwaar le kar aayega kaafir ko zibah karne.. that is the limit of scope of discussion.

Arab Christians call Jesus Allah we do not say they worship Allah they do so themselves, Muslims and Jews worship the God but Christians worship Jesus. Rabbis will say Muslims worship the same God as Jews but they will not say it for the Christians. Heck Christians say the same today as well..

Do Christians, Muslims and Jews worship the same God? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

No Muslim worships the black stone that is laughable and any Muslim who has gone to Mecca can prove you wrong, pagan god theory was started by evangelicals and has been rejected by all modern academics.

Allah as Moon-god - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Allah as Moon-God is a claim put forth by some Evangelical Christian groups that the Islamic name for God, Allah, derives from a pagan Moon god in local Arabic mythology.

Which is a lie because the pagan moon God of the Arabs was called Amm.

ha ha i´m catholic. I know our bible so don´t lecture me in my religion. grazie.

Click the link it is for American Catholics, so even Catholic follow different versions let alone Protestants.

 

[W.11]

Ha...i love when muslims say that. It sounds too cute. In other words, you are just saying other religious books are wrong and our is right.
How you are different from any other religious fanatic.

Luftwaffe: he further proved the point I was making.

buddy tone down argument ok, stop being a bitchy judgemental and calm down

now, first of all quran's original text is preserved so there is no doubt that quran has all the original text, allah sent many prophets in the numbers of hundreds and thousands, maybe gita was written by some prophet and its message got obscured over the time, like what happened with christianity for example?

gita's or bible's original text are not preserved and secondly bible wasn't the original text in the first place, it also has many versions for example

and no im not any fanatic, im just expressing my point of you and not shoving down ur throat, if you don't agree, i don't give a rats *** ok?

 

[KingMamba]

The King of England himself changed the bible just so he could remarry. Catholics were not allowed divorce at the time and so he made his own church lol.

Today one of the most widespread bible is the King James version.
King James Version - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Thirdfront]

Amazed to see people still believe religious texts can "predict" something.... let alone prophets of other religions...

 

[DesiGuy]

buddy tone down argument ok, stop being a bitchy judgemental and calm down

now, first of all quran's original text is preserved so there is no doubt that quran has all the original text, allah sent many prophets in the numbers of hundreds and thousands, maybe gita was written by some prophet and its message got obscured over the time, like what happened with christianity for example?

gita's or bible's original text are not preserved and secondly bible wasn't the original text in the first place, it also has many versions for example
and no im not any fanatic, im just expressing my point of you and not shoving down ur throat, if you don't agree, i don't give a rats *** ok?

here is the thing: when you say only quran has been preserved, and all other religious texts have been altered and are not true in their teaching, that's what starts the religious fight.
how could you claim Quran has never been altered?? were you there sitting by quran and making sure that no one alters it?? Or you just have been told by someone and you took his words as the reality?
(lets assume Quran has not been altered, but what about its msg? why are there fights amng Muslims as i am sure quran doesn't teach fighting.)
Bottom line: Quran msg has been altered just like any other religious books by certain groups who wanted to have power to control majority.

oh and btw..i know you don't give rats ***...its hard to argue with religious person.

 

[Dubious]

Ok fine he is not a loser.

My point of contention with him is that he tries to convert non-Muslims using their holy books but we as Muslims believe that all the other holy books of the world have lost their authenticity because of human involvement in the books usually for political reasons.

Yes, but there is only soo many corrections one can do...Being human can miss out so much ...By me believing in this or that theory wont make me more or less a Muslim...It wont affect my imaan...

So while we respect the Ahle Kitab for being people who were given holy books we cannot deem their books as authentic, now the problem arrives when people like Zakir Naik try and give approval to bits and pieces of the Bible to try and legitimize our own religion. That is a horrible approach because we cannot be sure which parts of the books have been altered and which remain unchanged. Also the tendency usually involves finding a verse that talks about somebody in third person and then Zakir Naik claims it is referring to Prophet Muhammad PBUH. That is just a deceitful approach that we should not encourage. We do not need the other books to prove the merits of our own religion.

The exception would be the book of the Parsis where the prediction could in no way be referring to anyone but our beloved Prophet.

We do not even need to prove our religion...Proof is needed when someone questions it....and proof can be given in any form....But I think Dr. Zakir does that based on the verse in the Quran where it says that Muhammad was foretold in the books of the ahle kitaab ....If that can not stand I think anyone will question what the Quran was talking about...like how people misquote the Quran to prove their points anyone can take that verse and question it.....

It is not deceitful if Muhammad really is told...because it is not as if Dr. Zakir put in those verses himself but they were present waiting to be discovered....however it would be deceitful if he had invented verses himself ...

But that is just my opinion...I am more interested in the topic at hand, a really old bible...i wish people would just get it tested to find out if it is real or fake!

 

[KingMamba]

@Talon it is said the Quran that he was foretold in the original books, what will you find in the altered ones that we do not accept? Although you can find hints in the bible of foreshadowing but like I said it is talking in the third person and does not mention Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

here is the thing: when you say only quran has been preserved, and all other religious texts have been altered and are not true in their teaching, that's what starts the religious fight.
how could you claim Quran has never been altered?? were you there sitting by quran and making sure that no one alters it?? Or you just have been told by someone and you took his words as the reality?
(lets assume Quran has not been altered, but what about its msg? why are there fights amng Muslims as i am sure quran doesn't teach fighting.)
Bottom line: Quran msg has been altered just like any other religious books by certain groups who wanted to have power to control majority.

oh and btw..i know you don't give rats ***...its hard to argue with religious person.

The fighting between Muslims is not religious and is based on politics. One side believes in elected leadership and the other believes in a royal bloodline.