15 Jordanian F-16 for sale

[VCheng]

We have too many brotherly relations with too many nations...so this concept is bound to fail....even though the brotherly nations have shafted us many a times!!!

In international geopolitics, only national interests reign supreme. Only those nations that understand this concept will succeed, as we can observe, the topic of this thread being just one example.

 

[denel]

Be that as it may, I think PAF is holding out hope that the political winds change in the future enough to re-establish supply of at least used F-16s given the ENORMOUS number of examples still flying as well as the obviously already established PAF infrastucture for the type.

It's really a shame for PAF quite honestly. It would be so much bang for the buck to add more used Fighting Falcons like they did with the Mirages.

Agreed, if winds of change blow, it is ideal to accummulate as many surplus as possible; look there is no reason why they cannot go the Mirage way; if you recall, Croatia deal was scuttled because isreali company was going to replumb it - in other words there are third party kits available if that avenue is pursue at a later point.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Kakay! haar wo cheez jo insan ko samajh nahi aati, wo ussy bakwas ya conspiracy theory he lagti ha!
Tum bhi aik insaan he ho, koi jinn shinn nahi!

Kiss ko pta tha k Taliban, a bunch of cavemen ye jung akhir kaar jeet jain gy! kisi ny agr ye baat mujhse ya tumse bhi 2001 main kahe hoti, to tum ya main bhi ussy kisi charsi ki haanki hui barrh he samajhty!

This is the future of the World now, an Asiatic Federation is being build under the guise or pattern of SCO, where Pakistan will play a leading role in shaping the new World Order....or else why u think, Pakistan is trying hard to build friendship b/w China and KSA? If from MENA region American influence is afterall successfully pulled out which we along with Russians and Chinese r trying hard these days, then this will be a major breakthrough to the realization of a new Asia Centric World Order under an Asiatic Federation/alliance! be it SCO or anything else!

Pak has a good track record in the making of US China understanding!!!

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Pak has a good track record in the making of US China understanding!!!

Turkey and its leader erdogan has to play a great role too in post 2023 when that 100 years old ottoman treaty expires, specially with MENA region in focus!

This will help greatly to degrade the western influence in MENA greatly!

 

[cloud4000]

If US offers F16 we should take them with AESA upgrade we can skip J10.


Never underestimate US foreign policy they did in Past can offers now anything except Nuclear bomb. There was no blockage on F16s sales to Pakistan all they want to us to Pay from our pockets.

US never gave Pakistan AESA when times were good. What makes you think they will give them now even if Pakistan paid for them out its funds? US will never Pakistan an advantage over India especially when it comes to air defense.

Pakistan might get MLUs, but don't expect US to give Pakistan what it's asking for. AESA is out.

 

[denel]

US never gave Pakistan AESA when times were good. What makes you think they will give them now even if Pakistan paid for them out its funds? US will never Pakistan an advantage over India especially when it comes to air defense.

Pakistan might get MLUs, but don't expect US to give Pakistan what it's asking for. AESA is out.

There are always 3rd party routes if no further upgrades are taken from the US.

 

[dBSPL]

Turkey and its leader erdogan has to play a great role too in post 2023 when that 100 years old ottoman treaty expires, specially with MENA region in focus!

This will help greatly to degrade the western influence in MENA greatly!

Dear brother, don't believe in such nonsense. What you're saying is not valid in international laws. ( I mean about the mystery of 2023)

Let me tell you some real stuff about Turkish indigenous F-16 subsystems works,

TurAF Block 30 type F-16 warplanes have already been structurally modernized and these models have been named Block 30TM. In addition, the “ÖZGÜR " project was initiated for the localization of the aircraft mission computers with indigenous subsystems. ÖZGÜR project was carried out in a way that we can perceive as a prototype on a single F-16 Block 30 fighter plane and the project was completed successfully. Within the scope of ÖZGÜR project: it is planned to integrate indigenous avionics hardware such as color MFD,mission computer, OFP software etc.

Following the decision to raise the Greek F-16b40/50/+ to b70, TurAF is about to begin a comprehensive F-16 modernization, according to local defense sources. Turkey has more than 10 years doing extensive work on the F-16 avionics.

Another important hint is that one of the topics described in the Second-100-day action plan is the AESA systems in which being develop for F-16 and beyond.

While there is no official statement , we can say that Turkey is working on a modernization program preparation that will reach B70 levels with indigenous avionics.

In short, Pakistan can create a cost-effective solution if it can find the F-16 at bargain price.

 

[khanasifm]

Even with average 2000 hours means almost same total life as F-7 (24-2800 hours) per Oem

If paf can pickup old mirages for spares it can also do the same for f-16s

It’s already doing same for c-130 being rebuilt locally ie Pdm with picking up used inner wing boxes and wing structure to use in rebuilt

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Dear brother, don't believe in such nonsense. What you're saying is not valid in international laws. ( I mean about the mystery of 2023)

Let me tell you some real stuff about Turkish indigenous F-16 subsystems works,

TurAF Block 30 type F-16 warplanes have already been structurally modernized and these models have been named Block 30TM. In addition, the “ÖZGÜR " project was initiated for the localization of the aircraft mission computers with indigenous subsystems. ÖZGÜR project was carried out in a way that we can perceive as a prototype on a single F-16 Block 30 fighter plane and the project was completed successfully. Within the scope of ÖZGÜR project: it is planned to integrate indigenous avionics hardware such as color MFD,mission computer, OFP software etc.

Following the decision to raise the Greek F-16b40/50/+ to b70, TurAF is about to begin a comprehensive F-16 modernization, according to local defense sources. Turkey has more than 10 years doing extensive work on the F-16 avionics.

Another important hint is that one of the topics described in the Second-100-day action plan is the AESA systems in which being develop for F-16 and beyond.

While there is no official statement , we can say that Turkey is working on a modernization program preparation that will reach B70 levels with indigenous avionics.

In short, Pakistan can create a cost-effective solution if it can find the F-16 at bargain price.

lets see then both abt OZGUR and 2023 ottoman treaty....we will surely know abt u have written in the future!

Oh BTW when will Albania will buy JF17? specially now that Azeries are about to sign the contract for 24 initially and 24 more later....Albania, they showed interest in it once too.

 

[FuturePAF]

Dear brother, don't believe in such nonsense. What you're saying is not valid in international laws. ( I mean about the mystery of 2023)

Let me tell you some real stuff about Turkish indigenous F-16 subsystems works,

TurAF Block 30 type F-16 warplanes have already been structurally modernized and these models have been named Block 30TM. In addition, the “ÖZGÜR " project was initiated for the localization of the aircraft mission computers with indigenous subsystems. ÖZGÜR project was carried out in a way that we can perceive as a prototype on a single F-16 Block 30 fighter plane and the project was completed successfully. Within the scope of ÖZGÜR project: it is planned to integrate indigenous avionics hardware such as color MFD,mission computer, OFP software etc.

Following the decision to raise the Greek F-16b40/50/+ to b70, TurAF is about to begin a comprehensive F-16 modernization, according to local defense sources. Turkey has more than 10 years doing extensive work on the F-16 avionics.

Another important hint is that one of the topics described in the Second-100-day action plan is the AESA systems in which being develop for F-16 and beyond.

While there is no official statement , we can say that Turkey is working on a modernization program preparation that will reach B70 levels with indigenous avionics.

In short, Pakistan can create a cost-effective solution if it can find the F-16 at bargain price.

The Turkish Radar makes the Sabr radar less attractive to the PAF. US contractors have to convince the US government to allow the sale of used F-16s to the PAF. The PAF can absorb 6 squadrons or 102 more aircraft in short order, to replace its Aging Mirages. There is a lot of work these sub-contractors can do to upgrades these jets and not fundamentally upset the balance of power in the region. Also sales of used F-16s (from europe) to Pakistan make room for the European sellers to buy more F-35s sooner. The clock is ticking and those J-10CEs are closing in on the PAF needs. Not only is Billions in work for the contractors on the table, but the future of the Pakistani-US alliance. While Pakistan is close to China, a Pakistan that maintains a convergences of fundamental interests with the US, in the Post-Afghan war, is very important for long terms regional influence and the current world order.

 

[Maxpane]

Very informative discussion

 

[FuturePAF]

Any Idea how soon the Turkish Ozgur Avionics and radar will mature to the level of the Block 70? It would be better to get the Turkish radar even if the US offers the Sabr; because the codes and missiles will not be known to as many entities. Also Turkey can integrate more and more weapons systems and they will be ready to go for ale to the PAF; while a US radar will need clearance and time to integrate new Turkish weapons.

 

[HRK]

There are always 3rd party routes if no further upgrades are taken from the US.

but the question would US allow Pakistan to utilize third party systems and subsystems with it fleet of F-16....???

 

[FuturePAF]

but the question would US allow Pakistan to utilize third party systems and subsystems with it fleet of F-16....???

Throw them some bones; Split the sub-systems contracts. AESA radar from Turkey, but Avionics, IRST, HMS, some Weapons, Auto GCAS and other Software upgrades can be sourced from US companies. For 15 planes to start, but for dozens more, as PAF starts to retire Mirages over the next few years, contracts can go into the hundreds of millions per year. A steady supply of work through key congressional districts that need the work as the economic downturn starts to hit contractors losing out on continued operations in Syria and Afghanistan.

The Saudi $110 billion arms deal was all the Government looked at that it superseded all else. similarly, the Indians are not committing to buying the F-16, so the US should earn as much as possible on basically standard military tech offered by Sweden, and France, and Turkey.

 

[Beethoven]

Throw them some bones; Split the sub-systems contracts. AESA radar from Turkey, but Avionics, IRST, HMS, some Weapons, Auto GCAS and other Software upgrades can be sourced from US companies. For 15 planes to start, but for dozens more, as PAF starts to retire Mirages over the next few years, contracts can go into the hundreds of millions per year. A steady supply of work through key congressional districts that need the work as the economic downturn starts to hit contractors losing out on continued operations in Syria and Afghanistan.

The Saudi $110 billion arms deal was all the Government looked at that it superseded all else. similarly, the Indians are committing to buying the F-16, so the US should early as much as possible on basically standard military tech offered by Sweden, and France, and Turkey.

Thats all well and good but the main question is will the congress approve the upgrades or even for that matter allow us to buy additional used F16s?????