notsuperstitious
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IVC fantasy is the last resort of the scoundrel.
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Anyways, I am Shia. Our largest political party (PPP) is Shia, most people in our govt. are Shia, and Shia's have top spots in our govt. Same cannot be said about Indian Muslims
Nope .... exploit to the core.
Shame the shameless.
Enjoy the frivolity in replies.
Actually our identity is quite secure. Our identity is based on the hymns of the Rig Veda, and stems from the common heritage shared with the Iranians before the people split. This is a heritage which we protected through 3,500 years, with no breaks. Our heritage is the efflorescent literature and culture of the Sangam era, which encapsulated hundreds of years of previous cultured existence, as famed traders and merchants. Our heritage is of the rich literature and profound philosophy of the Upanishads, which rocked the western world, not indirectly, but directly. Our heritage is the sublime thought of the Buddha, and of Mahavira, who within a short span of each other, outlined religious directions that are followed by millions today. Our heritage is the Mauryan Empire, and the architecture of Sanchi and Bharhut, the sculpture of Gandharva and of Mathura. Our heritage is of a glittering galaxy of authors, poets and playwrights, kings and the nobility among them, as well as those humble of station who were raised for their talent, who still delight the world in translation, and of collections of stories and fables which between them formed the cultural background of the western world.
It goes on and on, an unbroken chain, with each link intelligible to the next, a heritage that is ours in the original high languages and in literally dozens arising from them, so that a Tamilian today can delight in the Silappadikaram as much as contemporaries of its princely author could. The landscape is profusely endowed with the temples and public buildings that this heritage built, all but the landscape now occupied by your unfortunate state, that has spent its time in destroying, not preserving. We have our heritage, since we embraced it. When the Turks came in, their monuments were built not by other Turks, but by Indians, and it is therefore ours: our sweat, blood and toil went into the Adhai Din Ka Jhopra, the Qutb Minar, into Tughlaqabad, into Agra, into Jaunpur, into Allahabad, into Lucknow, into Ahmedabad, into Bijapur, Golconda, Berar, Hyderabad, Ahmadnagar...where should I stop?
The answer is that I need not. We inherited it, proudly, including all, excluding none, and we continue to build. No quest for identity for us, for we know, and move ahead secure.
Have you ever seen among Indians the heated controversies about 'our' identity that we see among you?
as we are muslims our identity starts from the adam and eve ,nooh ............
IVC fantasy is the last resort of the scoundrel.
First, there is always place in India when the Sipah e Sahaba have finally made life impossible for you.
Second, we have had three Muslim presidents, any number of ministers, past and present, as many chiefs of staff as the Sikhs, and numerous Supreme Court judges, including the next Chief Justice. It is when a Muslim citizen does not get fair treatment that there is an uproar, not the other way around, where a Hindu in the cricket team has people falling over themselves. You will forgive us wondering what the fuss is about when two of our most successful captains of cricket have been, incidentally, Muslims.
I am reading this as I balance on my right big toe, dressed in my tutu, my favourite wig on, pondering what shade of lipstick I should urge on you as my frivolous contribution to the proceedings.
And a foot of Adam is embedded on a hill in Sri Lanka - meaning thereby, that we have rightfully claimed our land as scions of Indus valley civilization and as Muslims as well.
Ah, so there we are. Not the heritage of the residents of the places where in 1929, the British found a dead civilization, with no links to its surroundings. This was within a few years of the Lahore Resolution, and no mention of these dreadful pagan remains came into those august deliberations.
No, the heritage sought was not Muslim either, it was conquistador Muslim. Not a single sub-continental Muslim, until our candidate from the legacy Indian state of Ferghana slips in.
It would add weight to your arguments if you had named your weapons after Sher Shah, or Muhammad bin Tughlaq, or Alauddin Khilji before him. Great conquerors, who left a permanent stamp on your history and mine. But no, Muslim was not enough, ithD to be those who crushed the Punjab and Sind under their iron heel.
Reading what the Gakkhars did to one of these invaders makes interesting reading. Reading about the resistance of the Shahi kings, still part of your heritage, makes stirring reading. But when it comes to heroes, as the Albanians used to say in my young days, "We and the Chinese are 600 million strong!" (nothing wrong with those figures; it's just that I am very old).
Or most of the Indians, Dalits or shoodars, Muslims, Christians, Lower Caste Hindus, except for some upper caste Indian Hindu Brahmins.
OK, let's count.
Jammu & Kashmir - Muslim (sorry, we had to let them do a Sunni; next time?)
Himachal Pradesh - Rajput
Punjab - Sikh
Rajasthan - Rajput
Gujarat - Shudra (yeah; THE Gujarat)
Haryana - Jat (backward caste)
UP - Yadav (backward caste)
Bihar - Kurmi (backward caste)
Jharkhand - tribal
West Bengal - BRAHMIN! (Yay, Ticker, you can breathe again!)
Sikkim - Lepcha (tribal)
Assam - Ahom (tribal)
Arunachal Pradesh - tribal
Meghalaya - tribal
Nagaland - tribal
Mizoram - tribal
Manipur - Tribal
Tripura - backward caste
Odisha - Forward caste (not clear)
Jharkhand - Tribal
Chhatisgarh - Rajput
Madhya Pradesh - Rajput
Maharashtra - Backward caste
Andhra Pradesh - forward caste
Karnataka - Shudra
Goa - Brahmin
Kerala - Christian
Tamil Nadu - Brahmin
Puducherri - backward caste
Doesn't look too good, Ticker.
IVC fantasy is the last resort of the scoundrel.
Scion of IVC, Mathura etc, -- Same old repeated words. Come up with new one
^ Sir, I think you should make a thread with all these details. They don't understand that people from around the world visit India to visit various INDIAN sites.
@Ticker
Scion of IVC, Mathura etc, -- Same old repeated words. Come up with new one
Human rights ki dal nahi **** toh IVC ki khichdi chada di.
They still earn more and are more literate than the 'pure' Pakistani's
And yet imagine, they are still better than the Pakistani's!
Nope they aren't. How do you know, you can't even touch them, they are untouchable shoodars.
How do you know Ashoka or for that matter Chandragupt was not Aryan - they also came from outside.
Human rights ki dal nahi pakhi toh IVC ki khichdi chada di.
New ones are for people that have something going for them, people who got squat going on for them have to contend with the good ol' days.
An update on the phenomenon for the purported 'scions';
Pakistanis pose as Indians after NY bomb scare | Reuters
Nope they aren't. How do you know, you can't even touch them, they are untouchable shoodars.
How do you know Ashoka or for that matter Chandragupt was not Aryan - they also came from outside.