12 best tanks in world

[Penguin]

L30A1 120 mm rifled gun is not as impressive as 120 mm Smoothbore gun of Abrams or Leo2.

Balony

Its HESH rounds have a longer range (up to 8 kilometres or 5 miles) than APFSDS, and are more effective against buildings and thin-skinned vehicles. It also fires APFSDS.

The Challenger Lethality Improvement Programme (CLIP) was a programme to replace the current L30A1 rifled gun with the 120 mm Rheinmetal L55 smoothbore gun currently used in theLeopard 2A6. The use of a smoothbore weapon would have allowed Challenger 2 to use NATO standard ammunition developed in Germany and the US. This includes tungsten-based kinetic energy penetrators , which do not have the same political and environmental objections as depleted uranium rounds. The production lines for rifled 120 mm ammunition in the UK have been closed for some years, so existing stocks of ammunition for the L30A1 are finite. In 2009, a new HESH round manufactured in Belgium has been trialled. This means that the Challenger 2 now has available a new Tungsten FIN and HESH rounds, if and when required, which secures a line of ammunition for its calibre Length 55 rifled main gun, the L30, when required in the future.

A single Challenger 2 was fitted with the L55 and underwent trials in January 2006. The smoothbore gun is the same length as the L30A1, and is fitted with the rifled gun's cradle, thermal sleeve, bore evacuator and muzzle reference system. Early trials apparently revealed that the German tungsten DM53 round was more effective than the depleted uranium CHARM 3. The ammunition storage and handling arrangements will need to be changed to cater for the single-piece smoothbore rounds, instead of the separate-loading rifled rounds. In 2006, a figure of £386 million was estimated to fit all Challengers in the British Army with the Rheinmetall gun

Challenger 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That is, UK preference is guided by political sensitivity and logistics rather than performance of the 120mm rifled gun per se.....

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Balony

LOLL, that was nice.

 

[Hakan]

2 different Leo 2 versions indeed.

Turkish Leo 2 Upgrade.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Turkish Leo 2 Upgrade.

Thanks. Thats a great help.

 

[Penguin]

Leo 2A7+

The Leopard 2 demonstrator used on the Eurosatory 2010 (where the picture was taken): for easier comparision the left side of the vehicle was unmodified, while the right side featured the new armour.

LOLL, that was nice.

I try ;-)

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Leo 2A7+
The Leopard 2 demonstrator used on the Eurosatory 2010 (where the picture was taken): for easier comparision the left side of the vehicle was unmodified, while the right side featured the new armour.

So the germans and turks have different upgrades for leopard 2 tanks?

With some common upgrade armor and different upgrade armor for turrets?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Also, did this tank got hit in a weak spot? Or what? What do you guys thing?
MoD kept failure of best tank quiet - Telegraph

Leopard tank versions all listed on one page.
Main Battle Tank - Leopard 2

Khaild tank of Jordan?
Khalid (Sword) MBT - Main Battle Tank - History, Specs and Pictures - Military Tanks, Vehicles and Artillery

 

[500]

Balony

Its HESH rounds have a longer range (up to 8 kilometres or 5 miles) than APFSDS, and are more effective against buildings and thin-skinned vehicles. It also fires APFSDS.

M908 is much more effective vs buildings and light vehicles.

APFSDS fired from smoothbore gun are also more effective.

Also smoothbore gun has more life span.

Chally performed poorly in Greek trials compare to other Western tanks.

 

[Nike]

Balony

Its HESH rounds have a longer range (up to 8 kilometres or 5 miles) than APFSDS, and are more effective against buildings and thin-skinned vehicles. It also fires APFSDS.


Challenger 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That is, UK preference is guided by political sensitivity and logistics rather than performance of the 120mm rifled gun per se.....

If it those gun just as good as you state, naturally more countries will use those 120 mm rifled gun, instead in the field a lot of countries take L/44 or L/55 license for their indigenous MBT programme, and do you think the main task of MBT is to be used against building or light skinned vehicle? they are intended to be used against other armor, Building destroyer is just their side jobs.

 

[sovcomflot]

1 Leopard 2

2 T-90

 

[atatwolf]

It might not be the best tank but Altay has special place in my heart in the world of tanks. It is our first tank, it is light tank so can't compete with the big ones but it is very fast and has domestic up-to-date tech, which might be starting platform to produce topnotch tanks in the future. I think we still did well seeing we didn't have that much experience. The Indians are still busy with their Arjunk. I hope mass-production will start soon.

 

[Hakan]

The FTR shape of turret used on real firing trials are more or less similar lines with first design image of Altay and I expect to see a similar design on P1 and P2 as well.

There won't be a prototype like P3... P1 and P2 would be near-end tanks which is going to be used for qualifications...

2017 for mass production !!!

 

[Penguin]

M908 is much more effective vs buildings and light vehicles.

APFSDS fired from smoothbore gun are also more effective.

Also smoothbore gun has more life span.

Chally performed poorly in Greek trials compare to other Western tanks.

None of which relates to gun performance.

 

[Penguin]

Also, did this tank got hit in a weak spot? Or what? What do you guys thing?
MoD kept failure of best tank quiet - Telegraph

RPG-29 has a tandem warhead: the smaller front warhead is intended to set off the ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor)-block from the safe range, and then second larger warhead strikes the hull of the tank. Unlike previous designs, PG-29 grenade has no separate RCL-typelaunch charge. The rocket engine starts immediately as the trigger is pressed, and burns out completely before the grenade leaves the launcher. The rest of the flight is made under inertia.

The warhead is similar in design to the PG-7VR warhead, developed for RPG-7V grenade launcher. Thanks to the much more powerful rocket engine, the RPG-29/PG-29 combination has effective range about two times longer, than the RPG-7V/PG-7VR combination. The cost of this significant increase in combat performance is much bigger weight and bulk of both RPG-29 launcher and PG-29 grenade.

Obviously, no armour is indestructible. ..

The MoD has finally confirmed that the tank's armour was breached last August and has said that an investigation was conducted to discover why the ERA appears to have failed. However, the department refused to comment on its findings, citing security reasons.

In the August attack, which occurred during an operation to arrest a leading insurgent in the town of al-Amarah, in southern Iraq, the Challenger was damaged when a Russian-made rocket-propelled grenade, known as an RPG-29, defeated the ERA and penetrated the driver's cabin.

MoD kept failure of best tank quiet - Telegraph

The Dorchester armor is mostly on the glacis and hull top and turret. The ERA is on the lower hull front. It was put there in the first place because that always was a relative weakspot (but, in tank v tank combat, not a problem: at Chally MBT would typically engage the soviet armored hordes from a prepared hull down position, then scoot back to the next prepared position etc). In fibua and urban combat, there is no tank that has no such vulnerabilities.

If it those gun just as good as you state, naturally more countries will use those 120 mm rifled gun, instead in the field a lot of countries take L/44 or L/55 license for their indigenous MBT programme, and do you think the main task of MBT is to be used against building or light skinned vehicle? they are intended to be used against other armor, Building destroyer is just their side jobs.

Not necessarily. For one, there are only very few countries building tanks and even fewer developing their own tank guns. If you are so Lucky (as the Germans were) to get your gun adopted by the US, you're already miles ahead.

 

[500]

None of which relates to gun performance.

Gun fire results of Chally were worst among all the Western tanks.

Anyhow, HESH is outdated round good for nothing:

Against tanks its weak for low penetration.
Against buildings its weak because it has a weak cap and no delayed explosion.
Against light vehicles its weak because of low velocity.
Against infantry its weak because of low fragmentation.