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10 captives, Over 20 soldiers, including Commanding Officer killed at Galwan border clash with China

American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.

The meeting grew tense and resulted in a physical confrontation between the troops. According to the assessment, all of the casualties were from the use of batons and knives and from falls from the steep topography, the source says.

According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.

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so you want us to be mature and believe indian media ? we are better armature no need to be that level of maturity when someone believe Indian media .indian media is most rubbish media on earth . no one can beat them .
That casualty figure you are constantly cheering about came from that rubbish media only kiyun ki huzoor ne toh kuch bola hi nhi. And this is why I said no one have time here to think. Rehen do bhai.
 
India-China clash: Modi says soldiers' deaths 'will not be in vain'
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India's prime minister has said the deaths of at least 20 soldiers in a fight with Chinese troops in a disputed Himalayan border area "will not be in vain".

Narendra Modi said India would be "proud that our soldiers died fighting the Chinese" in the clash in the Ladakh region on Monday.

Soldiers reportedly brawled with sticks, bats and bamboo sticks studded with nails. No shots were fired.

Both sides blamed each other.

It is the first deadly clash between the two sides in the border area, in the disputed Kashmir region, in at least 45 years. Some Indian soldiers are still believed to be missing.

India's army said China also suffered casualties but Beijing has given no details.

The Indian statement notes that injured soldiers were "exposed to sub-zero temperatures in the high altitude terrain".

As each side traded accusations, India said China had tried to "unilaterally change the status quo". Beijing accused Indian troops of "attacking Chinese personnel".

The two armies later held talks to try to defuse tensions.

What happened?
The fighting occurred in the precipitous, rocky terrain of the strategically important Galwan Valley, which lies between China's Tibet and India's Ladakh.

Indian media say soldiers engaged in direct hand-to-hand combat, with some "beaten to death". During the fight, one newspaper reported, others fell or were pushed into a river.
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The Indian army initially said a colonel and two soldiers had died. It later said that "17 Indian troops who were critically injured in the line of duty" and died from their injuries, taking the "total that were killed in action to 20".

"I understand that some [further] Indian soldiers went missing. The Indian side is still working to release them from the Chinese custody," defence analyst Ajai Shukla told the BBC.

Indian forces appear to have been massively outnumbered by Chinese troops.

A senior Indian military official told the BBC there were 55 Indians versus 300 Chinese, who he described as "the Death Squad".

"They hit our boys on the head with metal batons wrapped in barbed wire. Our boys fought with bare hands," the officer, who did not want to be named, said.

His account, which could not be verified, tallies with other reports in the Indian media detailing the savagery of the combat.

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Image captionA satellite image of Galwan Valley shows the rocky and barren terrain
The clash has provoked protests in India, with people burning Chinese flags.

Addressing the confrontation for the first time in a televised address on Wednesday, Prime Minister Modi said: "India wants peace but when provoked, India is capable of giving a fitting reply, be it any kind of situation.

"The country will be proud that our soldiers died fighting the Chinese."

He said he wanted to "assure the nation" the loss of the soldiers would "not be in vain". "For us, the unity and sovereignty of the country is the most important," he added.

China has accused India of crossing the border onto the Chinese side. Its foreign ministry said on Wednesday it wanted to avoid further clashes but gave no further details.

It has not confirmed how many of its personnel died or were injured. The BBC's Robin Brant in Beijing says that China has never given contemporaneous confirmation on military deaths outside of peacekeeping duties.

Our correspondent adds that on this occasion China's propagandists may not want to fan nationalist flames at home by making much of any loss, or admit to a significant and demoralising loss.

This is not the first time the two nuclear-armed neighbours have fought without conventional firearms on the border. India and China have a history of face-offs and overlapping territorial claims along the more than 3,440km (2,100 mile), poorly drawn Line of Actual Control (LAC) separating the two sides.

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India shows restraint
Analysis by Geeta Pandey, BBC News, Delhi

The first comments from the Indian government on the violent standoff on the Chinese border came nearly 24 hours after the news broke on Tuesday.

And Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his cabinet colleagues - the defence minister and the home minister - have chosen their words carefully.

Usually boastful and given to grandstanding, Mr Modi and his ministers have displayed utmost restraint in their public messages this time, mostly sticking to mourning the loss of soldiers.

The prime minister did say: "India wants peace but, if instigated, it is capable of giving a befitting reply." But this is seen as aimed more at his political rivals and supporters domestically, rather than as a warning to Beijing.

China is not Pakistan and memories of the humiliating defeat in the 1962 war are all too real for any misadventure.

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How tense is the area?
The LAC is poorly demarcated. The presence of rivers, lakes and snowcaps means the line can shift. The soldiers either side - representing two of the world's largest armies - come face-to-face at many points.

Border patrols have often bumped into each other, resulting in occasional scuffles.


The last firing on the border happened in 1975 when four Indian soldiers were killed in a remote pass in the north-eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh. The clash was variously described by former diplomats as an ambush and an accident.

But no bullets have been fired since.

At the root of this is a 1996 bilateral agreement that says "neither side shall open fire... conduct blast operations or hunt with guns or explosives within two kilometres of the Line of Actual Control".

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But there have been tense confrontations along the border in recent weeks. In May Indian and Chinese soldiers exchanged physical blows on the border at Pangong Lake, also in Ladakh, and in the north-eastern Indian state of Sikkim.

India has accused China of sending thousands of troops into Ladakh's Galwan Valley and says China occupies 38,000 sq km (14,700 sq miles) of its territory. Several rounds of talks in the last three decades have failed to resolve the boundary disputes.

The two countries have fought only one war so far, in 1962, when India suffered a humiliating defeat.

There are several reasons why tensions are rising again now - but competing strategic goals lie at the root.

The two countries have devoted extensive money and manpower to building roads, bridges, rail links and air fields along the disputed border.

Both India and China see each other's construction efforts as calculated moves to gain a tactical advantage, and tensions often flare up when either announces a major project.

Following the latest clash between China and India, the United Nations urged both sides "to exercise maximum restraint".

"We take positive note of reports that the two countries have engaged to de-escalate the situation," UN associate spokesperson Eri Kaneko said.

India also disputes part of Kashmir - an ethnically diverse Himalayan region covering about 140,000 sq km - with Pakistan.

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ndia-China clash: Modi says soldiers' deaths 'will not be in vain'

nothing new he say it every-time we kill their soldiers on LOC :rofl:
 
Tum nai kaun sa is bandwidth sai rocket Mars par bhejna tha jo afsos ho raha hai
Afsoos is baat per ho raha k ham bandwidth ghalat logo per zaya kr rahe. All these insults and humiliation but Indians are so shameful that they keep on coming back.
 
For Future reference
India will carry out their famous Sir Jee Kal strike and immediately follow up with a massive psy ops with Indian media. Let me give a figure too of the chinese that will "die" in this strike (20x10=200).
And with that they will declare revenge has been taken and no further activities are planned.
On the opposite side reaction of Chinese would be interesting to note in this case as Indians wouldn't have done any on ground damage (may be a rock or 2 seeing the terrain :dirol:) so as to give no basis for Chinese to retaliate but Psy Ops would be declaring Indian Victory over China. Will China retaliate or not? And if it does to what extent? That we'll find out:pop::pop::pop:
Timeline for this is a week or 2 from today.
 
Phone call between External Affairs Minister, Dr. S. Jaishankar and Foreign Minister of China, H.E. Mr. Wang Yi
June 17, 2020

  • The External Affairs Minister and the State Councillor and Foreign Minister of China, H.E. Mr. Wang Yi, had a phone conversation this afternoon on recent developments in Ladakh.
  • EAM conveyed the protest of the Government of India in the strongest terms on the violent face-off in Galwan Valley on 15 June 2020. He recalled that at the meeting of senior Military Commanders held on 6th June, an agreement was reached on de-escalation and disengagement along the Line of Actual Control (LAC). Ground commanders were meeting regularly to implement this consensus throughout the last week. While there was some progress, the Chinese side sought to erect a structure in Galwan valley on our side of the LAC. While this became a source of dispute, the Chinese side took pre-meditated and planned action that was directly responsible for the resulting violence and casualties. It reflected an intent to change the facts on ground in violation of all our agreements to not change the status quo.
  • EAM underlined that this unprecedented development will have a serious impact on the bilateral relationship. The need of the hour was for the Chinese side to reassess its actions and take corrective steps. The two sides should scrupulously and sincerely implement the understanding that was reached by the Senior Commanders on 6th June. Troops of both sides should also abide by the bilateral agreements and protocols. They should strictly respect and observe the Line of Actual Control and should not take any unilateral action to alter it.
  • The State Councillor and Foreign Minister of China, on his part, conveyed the Chinese position on recent developments.
  • At the conclusion of the discussion, it was agreed that the overall situation would be handled in a responsible manner, and both sides would implement the disengagement understanding of 6 June sincerely. Neither side would take any action to escalate matters and instead, ensure peace and tranquillity as per bilateral agreements and protocols.
New Delhi
June 17, 2020

https://www.mea.gov.in/press-releas...r_and_Foreign_Minister_of_China_HE_Mr_Wang_Yi

But according to @slient_poison.it's indian troops crossed the line,india should apologize to china
 
That casualty figure you are constantly cheering about came from that rubbish media only kiyun ki huzur ne toh kuch bola hi nhi. And this is why I said no one have time here to think. Rehen do bhai.

Army Says 20 Indian Soldiers Killed in Ladakh Clash With Chinese

nope its not came from INDIAN MEDIA but from official indian military and PMO . if it was on indian media they will say we in fact find 2000 extra soldiers clones and now our forces are 1 million 2000 . we know your media is pathetic scum .

this is what i believed . even your forces are proven liars like painting own mig-21 paksitani flags
 
by that criteria:
Bolton the Walrus is going to tell the truth when the book comes out
Iraq has WMDs
Is that the best US can do to help out India?
US media is not neutral. Its a fucked up media CNN & fox are prime examples
 
American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.

The meeting grew tense and resulted in a physical confrontation between the troops. According to the assessment, all of the casualties were from the use of batons and knives and from falls from the steep topography, the source says.

According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...decades?context=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Funny how it is just one senior PLA officer so that India can save face and not escalate things further. Why not 2 or 10 PLA officers? Considering Indian assertions that they initially outnumbered the Chinese at the camp site.
 
Funny how it is just one senior PLA officer so that India can save face and not escalate things further. Why not 2 or 10 PLA officers? Considering Indian assertions that they initially outnumbered the Chinese at the camp site.
india always need support of IFS BUTS after every time someone beat them . since 27feb we are waiting for their revenge
 
Army Says 20 Indian Soldiers Killed in Ladakh Clash With Chinese

nope its not came from INDIAN MEDIA but from official indian military and PMO . if it was on indian media they will say we in fact find 2000 extra soldiers clones and now our forces are 1 million 2000 . we know your media is pathetic scum .

this is what i believed . even your forces are proven liars like painting own mig-21 paksitani flags
What are you talking about? Long before army brief Indian media reported the casualty figure.
 

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