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10 captives, Over 20 soldiers, including Commanding Officer killed at Galwan border clash with China

Bloodbath on both sides.Slimy chinese agreed to deescalate.But when indian troops went into check and demolished semi permanent structures they had erected there,they ambushed our unarmed CO and his guards causing casulaities.Then rest of the battalion came back with riot gear and gave the chinese a taste of their own medicine despite outnumbered.Brutal fighting and heavy losses on both sides disengaging at night.Bodies exchanged and helicopter evacuation.Om shanti for ours braves who attained veergati.
The CCP snake can never be trusted.Good thing is they have got a bloody nose .All aggression has gone out of chinese spokesperson's voice and their print media has buried the news.
In new order-all indian patrols at LAC now armed and given orders to shoot at their own initiative.If the han one child conscript army wants a war it will get one.Already around 40 han bloodlines have been extinguished forever.Kill one CCP soldier you kill a whole bloodline built up over thousands of years.Lets see how long one child han conscript army can sustain it.
Sirf maarenge nahi,nirvansh kar denge.
 
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Time to take stock...with studied detachment...

Since, it is not just about India vs. China but rather the Future of Asian Century.... that in a couple of decades Asia might become Sovereign and Free Again!!!

We all are going to die...one prays for peaceful, honourable death for one's self and others....
Life is harsh as it is... at least Death could be beautiful!!!!


The Context of Current Evolving Situation:


The Chinese have historic claims..with added facts... on Ladakh.. even during the BritishRaj they didn't agree to any of the settlements proposed by the British be it in Culcutta or else where... the Chinese didn't relenquish their claims... hence there was no 'border' between ImperialBritian and China...even in the last Dynasty time.

Despite being destroyed with Opium and Burning down of the SummerPalace
... the Chinese as people and State had a sense of themselves.... although forced to lease HongKong and Maccau... but with a timeline of return to The MiddleKingdom.

BritishIndia was not only CrownColony but a state fashioned in BritishImage...with railroads, roads, education, administration (Babucracy), judiciary, police and of course, armed forces.... a modern state architecture...functioning to the benefit of the BritishRuling...

China couldn't be colonised as BritishIndia hence
... the ChineseState remained a continuation of the MandrinSystem ... until the LongMarch ended the CivilWar and China became PRC.... even then a backward state compared to BritishIndia!

We must recall TheGreatGame between Czarist Imperial Russia and BritishEmpire .... playing out in CentralAsia... Kashmir was then also a very StrategicArea ....

With Communists in China and USSR in CentralAsia...the ImperialMinds were looking at a LongGame of the ensuing ColdWar... Sino-USSR as one block at that time..

The Rise of ModernTurkey after the dismantling of the Ottomons was a lesson for the Geostrategists of the West to not let another IndpendentActor emerge from the IslamicWorld that could pose a threat to the emerging Global Power Architecture of that time.

Had it not been for OurElders ...there wouldn't have been a Pakistan... because the Geostrategists wanted to create a SuperIndianState against the Soviets and the Chinese block...

We wanted the following:

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But agreeing to it would create a Powerful Muslim State that could become not only a catalyst for other muslims states but could might shift the PowerBalance ... designed/intended by the Victors of the GreatWar!

The evidence of which was seen with German alliance/partnership with the OurTurkishState.... thoughts were of OilPipeline from Iraq to Balkans on to Berlin!!!

BritishIndia was GeoConstruct of an Empire as its GreatColony...a kinda consolidated landmass under the Rules Britania!

BrentwoodsAgreement needed a clearly defined WorldOrder... hence, the Geostrategist left behind a FunctioningModernState and named it India!

Its purpose:

To Keep China Out!

To Keep Pakistan Down!

In 1950s the Indian-British-US intelligence was at works to create troubles in Tibet to cut the size of China... it didn't workout as planned.

Annexation of Sikkim and SouthTibet were the earliest forms of ColourRevolutions... and it was done with the full backing of the Both ColdWarrior Blocks...since, by this time China had separated from USSR.

TibetanGovernmnent in Exile was the followup Project of the same enterprise... with India playing its intended role.

It is, also, imperative to understand that the so-called Non-AlignedMovement was designed to divide the GlobalSouth ...wean it away from the Soviet Ingress...hence, it was an Anglo-American Porject with frontman India/Nehru.

Without going into Pak-India conflict...and focusing only on the Sino-Indian equation... we can see the consistency of policies from both China and BritishIndia....

Nehru's Forward Policy needs to be seen as the Geostrategic Containment of China Project... though it ended equally bad as Tibet Project.

IndianState policy towards China, to this day, remains the continuation of the BritishIndia and later on Anglo-American policies.... hence, this new Concerts of Democracies, Quads or IndoPacificCommand ...shouldn't be seen as something new. Becuase, it is NOT!

In the last two decades the promotion of India as CounterWeight to China in the CombinedWestern media and helping it to join various fora which are part the existing WesternWorldOrder arhitectural pieces... all is the continuation of Keeping China Out!

However, KKH was the first Chinese piece on the GrandGame of Go ...which has evolved into CPEC ...and despite its War of Terror and Hybridwar on Pakistan... India has failed to Keep Pakistan Down!

With StrategicAgreements with the Quad... the ports and bases in India become available to the Quaderz... and India building Military Infrastructure nearest to XinJiang and Tibet... is the Continuation of ForwardPolicy of the ImerprialIndia.

The BroaderPicture:

With new, old ColdWar started by the US is to preserve the DollarSystem which has benefited the US led CombinedWest enormusly...also, giving the US freedom to print money without consequence.... China is the ONLY state which can defuse/reduce the PrintingPower ...and withit the Vitality of the DollarSystem.

India as GeoConstruct was always part of the WesternWorldOrder ...from which it benefited....both in Aid and Diplomatic support/cover ...shielding its WarCrimes against PakKashmiris despite the UN reports!!!

Since, the early 90s India has been overtly in the WesternCamp and the process has been accelearting with the NRIs pushing for greater Indo-Western Alliance against China and Pakistan.

The Decoupling from China is not a new Project but a continuation of a process started under Obama with AsiaPivot... making India as CentralPiece in this ChinaContainment Strategy as the Frontline State Against China... with continous bashing of Pakistan to keep Pakistan Down!

The Failure of BloodBorders Project and consequent exit from Kabulistan has left the Planners with lesser options against China's XinJiang... for now it is just passing Senate Bills and MediaRhetorics... same for Tibet or HongKong!

India's failure to put boots on the ground in Kabulistan was the first failure of the Built up Narrative of India as GreatPower... second failure was 27thFeb19.... exposing that the Emperor has NO Clothes!

SouthChinaSea would remain a PhotoOp for FNPs... with studied disengagement from both China and Quad to keep it a managable levels...

The refusal of the PacificNations to host the US BMs leaves the US with lesser options of pressure points.. herein, the Indo-US StrategicAgreement become of more CriticalValue for the US...

It is in this background that the Ladakh has become too strategic for both the US and China!!!

The Chinese leadership tried all to wean India away from the CombinedWest but the IndianState had/has Imperial Impulse it cann't resist...

The PLA moving in on Ladakh at the StrategicPoints and in consolidated manner is a PreventiveMove rather than an Agressive one...

The SCO/EurasianUnion and BRI are all complimentary to create Openings from the intended Containment of China ...

Gawadar in this context become something else altogether... that is the reason for the Rent-a-Terrorist violence in Balochistan... BLA being fully supported by India.. the last year's Attack on the Chinese Consulate in Karachi... or PC attack in Gawadar or the recent spike in terrorism against PakArmedForces and Civilians need to be seen the broader context!

In short, the PLA had to move in!

Disecting the Sino-Indian Stand-off:

The PLA came in with utmost clarity of purpose and with enough men and material to establish FACTS on the Ground!

It was/is a reaction to 5thAug19 of unilateral actions of India and in doing so nulifying all previous agreements with China regarding Ladakh!

Modi shot the first bullet!

Now either China could accept the new IndianStatusQuo or Create a new ChineseStatusQuo... China chose the later.

Since, the Chinese don't recognise any border with India in the IndianOccupiedKashmir..therefore, Ladakh... it doesn't matter where Indian troops relocate in Ladakh... the Chinese will keep extending the LAC in Ladakh.

The Strategic Aim of China now is clear: ChineseLadakh having Direct Borders with GB! Another road network from Tibet feeding into CPEC.

What appears from the news...is that the Indians troops tried to move in to expel the Chinese workers and gain territory to have a better position or increase negotiation power.

Looking at the numbers involved it doesn't appear to be some hot-tempers getting out of control
...but an Indian Operation gone rather belly up as @Signalian has outlined/analysed pages back!

If Mr. Pravin is calling it 'The Chinese Death Squad' ... massacring the Indian troops then we can safely say that something horriblly went wrong with the Indian Plans and the Chinese were prepared, ready and determined to Impose the new ChineseStatusQuo!

We have seen the engineering of the news about Indian losses.... how they appeared in a controlled, managed manner... also, doubling the Chinese losses to balance out the impact on the Indian public, already conditioned to believe in IndianSupremecy....

Though the IndianArmy statement was a little crest fallen... could be a tactic as well...so too premature to draw conclusions about it.

Modi has also said a few words and broken Omerta Oath...by saying : They (IndianTroops) died while killing them (the Chinese)!

Herein, the Indian media Manufacturing of Consent plays well for Indians... aided by the FaceSaving, understated statements from the PLA.... still Framing IndianAgression and giving the acceptance of the new ChineseStatusQuo by the Indians an exit strategy.... under the garb of 'De-escalation'!

For now we can only conclude that something Massive has happened and both sides are in evaluation mode for the next steps...

Possible Outcomes of the Death Toll:

1- China keeps the understatements going ..leaving the room open for the Indians to accept the new ChineseStatusQuo

2-
India fights back to establish the Aug5th19 IndianStatusQuo

3- Both sides dig in and Eyeball-to-Eyeball situation ensues..with occasional clubbing of eachother

4- The US takes the lead and the CombinedWest raises the MediaRhetoric against the 'Chinese Agression' painting India as victim.... which would benefit the US but not India or Modi

5- Russia tries to come in... to mediate through SCO platform or Trilateral format... providing India as safe exist from the quick-sands it is now stuck in

6- The UN already has made a soundbite... which might help in the MediaSphere but will not extricate India

7- India will accelarte agression on CeaseFireLine ...not only to vent its frustration but also to discourage Pakistan from taking advantage of its predicament... as the IndianMedia has already started Framing the current Sino-Indian Stand-off as Sino-Pak Combined Enterprise!


Regardless, of the outcomes/scenarios one thing is now quite certain that in its new role as Frontline State Against China ... India has paid the first price and its Media Crafted Image of Great/Regional Power has come under very serious pressure..with long term strategic consequences in SouthAsia and SouthEastAsia!

The Difference between Rhetoric and Reality becomes nakedly clear when the Rubber Hits to Road...

A War between India and China will put the Region and Asia decades back in terms of climb towards Real Sovereignity and Actual Freedom... the Key Components of an Asian Century!!!

One can only hope that a Paradigm Shift happens in the Indian Imperial Mindset... and it can see with Clarity that the ThreeNulearPowers ...joined at the hip...cann't afford any conflict... let alone a military one.

Just a Thought: What Could be the Net Global Power Balance Effect if there is a TrilateralEconomicBlock between China, Pakistan and India?

For now we can only pray that Sanity pervails and no miscalculations happens... otherwise, The Biggest Can of Worms will be opened and looser will be Asians!


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On point, for India it's a catch 22 situation. Notes are being taken across the pacific. As you rightly mentioned there has been series to blunders India did, the biggest one is that it became lap poodle of US openly with they selling them the wet dream of replacing china; hence the confidence in last decade. However, as you rightly mentioned first test was in kabulistan, and Bhartis only ended up building a library as india phreend showed displeasure about. Later, a bit more was expected on taiwan; SC sea. Only if courage could be bought from market, indians have enough cash to have at-least iota of it. Indian so called strategic thinkers know the limitation. You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. Indian equation in this geo-construct was miscalculated and credit to bhartis they marketed themselves good. However, this episode is going to have serious implications in coming days. Sugar daddy isn't going to be content by the performance of their poodle.

Now to the outcome, i still am of opinion that India don't have capacity nor courage to engage china in an open confrontation especially in SC sea, taiwan or even Pak-african ocean. However, the only card that stays for them to play is engage china indirectly to sabotage CPEC in GB. Two birds with one stone. However, chinese posturing in Ladakh has changed the ball-game all together. India will of course want deescalation, talks, face saving. Now the real test for Pakistan is how it plays the situation. Maximum gain on security front, and play the cards so that pressure on Modi grows, diplomatically and also "internally"..... frustrated chewala and his bhakats will make a mistake.
 
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Any Indians want to tell me what kind of response they would be happy with? Modi did say the soldiers deaths will not be in vain. :azn:
 
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On point, for India it's a catch 22 situation. Notes are being taken across the pacific. As you rightly mentioned there has been series to blunders India did, the biggest one is that it became lap poodle of US openly with they selling them the wet dream of replacing china; hence the confidence in last decade. However, as you rightly mentioned first test was in kabulistan, and Bhartis only ended up building a library as india phreend showed displeasure about. Later, a bit more was expected on taiwan; SC sea. Only if courage could be bought from market, indians have enough cash to have at-least iota of it. Indian so called strategic thinkers know the limitation. You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. Indian equation in this geo-construct was miscalculated and credit to bhartis they marketed themselves good. However, this episode is going to have serious implications in coming days. Sugar daddy isn't going to be content by the performance of their poodle.

Now to the outcome, i still am of opinion that India don't have capacity nor courage to engage china in an open confrontation especially in SC sea, taiwan or even Pak-african ocean. However, the only card that stays for them to play is engage china indirectly to sabotage CPEC in GB. Two birds with one stone. However, chinese posturing in Ladakh has changed the ball-game all together. India will of course want deescalation, talks, face saving. Now the real test for Pakistan is how it plays the situation. Maximum gain on security front, and play the cards so that pressure on Modi grows, diplomatically and also "internally"..... frustrated chewala and his bhakats will make a mistake.




Excellent post.
 
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bus aik baat such hai

india apni auqaat se ziada bolta hai
or phir maar khata hai .
its nto time to control tangue and media ? i think in last 2 years you guys got so much humiliation form both fronts ab to hosh karo .wo tumhari 60km zameen bhi le gay or achi maar bhi mari
dosry ne tumhara jet mar giraya tum per missile mary or pilot ki dhulai ki

or kitni beizaati karao gay apni ? . india is not any power even nepal shouting you . come back in sense now man ;


and you thin we were satisfied ? when your media claimed 3 deaths we were saying its not 3 its more . go read in past pages almost everyone was saying a colonel can not be dead simply alone its long chian . how many people work under colonel ? and its true 20 dead still i think thee is some jhol jhal in this figure too ,
First part, I am not sure how it is relevant to our discussion. I just said it is Indian media only that were coming in with figures. Not American and not Chinese. When they came with three casualties, I have seen Pakistanis bursting out in tears of joy. Something you got to cheer for at least. Its that rubbish media that was feeding your stupid ego whole evening yesterday. And now you are saying you never believed them? That 43 figure is fake just because it doesn't suit your tiny ego :lol:

As far as Nepal is concerned, if you think India's silence is a proof of its weakness, good for you. Perhaps the Chinese has taught you that barking at and bullying weaker neighbours are just normal in international diplomacy. Can't blame you for it though, given how Pakistanis look up to the Chinese now a days.
 
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Bloodbath on both sides.Slimy chinese agreed to deescalate.But when indian troops went into check and demolished semi permanent structures they had erected there,they ambushed our unarmed CO and his guards causing casulaities.Then rest of the battalion came back with riot gear and gave the chinese a taste of their own medicine despite outnumbered.Brutal fighting and heavy losses on both sides disengaging at night.Bodies exchanged and helicopter evacuation.Om shanti for ours braves who attained veergati.
The CCP snake can never be trusted.Good thing is they have got a bloody nose .All aggression has gone out of chinese spokesperson's voice and their print media has buried the news.
In new order-all indian patrols at LAC now armed and given orders to shoot at their own initiative.If the han one child conscript army wants a war it will get one.Already around 40 han bloodlines have been extinguished forever.Kill one CCP soldier you kill a whole bloodline built up over thousands of years.Lets see how long one child han conscript army can sustain it.
Sirf maarenge nahi,nirvansh kar denge.
This is the fifth account I have read on the incident. All five are different.

You guys need to come up with one story. You are extremely weak in propaganda wars.
 
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As expected, all these incident happened due to India is developing roads near China border.

After this conflict, 1500 people will sent to ladakh for speedy the road construction..

This tense situation will be stay longer than Doklam incident
 
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Indian so called strategic thinkers know the limitation. You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. Indian equation in this geo-construct was miscalculated and credit to bhartis they marketed themselves good. However, this episode is going to have serious implications in coming days. Sugar daddy isn't going to be content by the performance of their poodle.

Great post!


You mention Pakistan should also take strategic advantage and position itself... What are those options in your opinion??
 
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First part, I am not sure how it is relevant to our discussion. I just said it is Indian media only that were coming in with figures. Not American and not Chinese. When they came with three casualties, I have seen Pakistanis bursting out in tears of joy. Something you got to cheer for at least. Its that rubbish media that was feeding your stupid ego whole evening yesterday. And now you are saying you never believed them? As far as Nepal is concerned, if you think India's silence is a proof of its weakness, good for you. Perhaps the Chinese has taught you that barking at and bullying weaker neighbours are just normal in international diplomacy. can't blame you for it though given how Pakistanis look up to the Chinese now a days.
we learn it from you since you joy every Pakistani death even corona cases and rejoice it . now face the same gift from us . yes we are happy to see Indians are beaten like dogs and killed . we never hide it . why not ? yes we see how USA make you paper tiger and let you die in-front of china .:lol: have any proof of chines death ? names official press or images videos ? all we see you beaten one chinese soldier they not only beat you but wipe out you company with a commanding officer colonel rank . its the truth of 17 june 2020 . now stay in auwqaat it will be better how long you will be red nose ? abhinandan episode shame is not yet washed and now this world is laughing on you .
 
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