10 captives, Over 20 soldiers, including Commanding Officer killed at Galwan border clash with China

[PakSword]

if you see responses of majority of Indian members from page 1, they have only focused on numbers of casualities and have been defending own figures and researching Chinese figures throughout this thread. This is how Indian media has brainwashed them and bollywood have groomed their thinking.

There are many other things as stakes here, not causality numbers. IA has failed to perform and unable to prove itself as a professional army which should be worrisome. The analysis by Indian members should go deeper into why and what failed and how it should be rectified. This is an opportunity lost and the initiative handed over to PLA troops.

This is so true.

 

[The Accountant]

I believe you brought "faith" into it. Do you want me to quote it? The Chinese prevailed because of superior training, determination, discipline, driven by nationalism and underpinned by a very strong work ethic. Very qualities, secular qualities that when used in the civilian domain has turned China into a global economic powerhouse. Lesson here for Pakistan. Point being. Praying does not make armies. Training does. I know you carry the halo on your shoulder of being ex-military or whatever but I also know a thing or two. Good day !

Read the complete statement, he is saying faith on hand weapons used by Chinese soldiers.

Why are you so opposed to religion that you didnt even read the post till end as religion was mentioned in start?

 

[Armchair]

In Krav maga, there is a class just dedicated towards improvising objects around you and using them as a weapon. Use of objects inside a room and use of objects out in the open.

To describe this to a lay man who is also a couch potato, there was an English serial of 1980's, The A Team, and a movie was made on it too. The 4 ex-military renegades were always devising weapons and obstructions from stuff available to them. That's what Military teaches.

There are many many real life examples out there, even non military ones.
Do you know the kabbadi match of sub continent? its team work, if the player from opposite team comes and grabs one of your team mate, you all join hands and grab him and dont let him escape.

IA was not prepared for such a clash and neither anticipated such a response from PLA troops. Soldiers make-do, they grab anything as a weapon and use it against the enemy. Instead of fleeing into hillsides, IA should have regrouped and fought back. I was of the view that IA training standards were almost same as PA's, but i stand wrong. The psychology of IA troops changes when they are confronting PA troops, knowing that IA troops will always have more numbers to back them up. PA troops know they will always be out numbered so they are trained to take on heavier formations of enemy. IA met PLA a year or so back and had almost same clash without using fists or kicks, so they should have studied PLA troops psychology and how PLA will react in defending what they own as theirs. All the Sun Tzu principles are failing inside Indian camp. Its the job of a soldier to hunt down and kill the enemy soldier, why else would a soldier be sent to the border. Some statements from indian reports are classic examples of childish excuses like "dog ate my homework".

The way reports are mentioning that IA troops jumped into river reminds me how muslim virgins and muslim wives jumped into wells to save themselves from hindus and sikhs in 1947 during partition. Those were women, they had no chance against men but here trained troops are jumping into river and fleeing into hillsides. Its a pathetic show and poor performance of training methodology.

This concisely summarizes a clear Indian deficiency in training that is now exposed from this incident. Kudos for the great post. They killed a lot more of us than we killed of them, in 1947 during partition because of the numbers advantage.

This is why I've written again and again on why Pakistan needs to reduce as much as possible the numbers advantage India has - it gives them a psychological edge as well as a military one.

 

[serenity]

Now these bhakti jai hinds telling us they won because according to mystery satellite photos of random dates and random sites, it shows real time Chinese retreat. Like Chinese retreated last week.

 

[maverick1977]

New York Times coverage.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/...html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage

 

[Aaloo Tikki]

Based on my impression on China social media

1. There was construction at China LAC at 15th June
2. Indian regular unit intruded and beat up people.
3. China reinforcement arrived and started fighting (They are well prepared and could be special forces)

During night it's highly doubtful. Please share those discussions.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

i didnt know that part... This is crazy... beaten to death ??????

Medieval fight to the death at the top of the world: Soldiers were impaled with iron rods, thrown off cliffs and left to freeze to death in border brawl between nuclear-armed India and China that killed up to 70 troops

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...soldiers-fought-death-nail-studded-clubs.html

 

[DBP95]

since the 1962 we try let the Indian to understand a Chinese idioms called 勿谓言之不预，sadly they still don’t understand

 

[F-22Raptor]

American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.

The meeting grew tense and resulted in a physical confrontation between the troops. According to the assessment, all of the casualties were from the use of batons and knives and from falls from the steep topography, the source says.

According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...decades?context=amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

[Imran Khan]

20 dead Indian soldiers are OK now
but
i am scared of 34 Indian POW Chinese may make then soup and drink

 

[Passionaire]

Global times still continue to troll India

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273228909878837248

 

[Zohair Alam]

Today's satellite images have proved Chinese pushed out of Galwan. This is only possible if PLA had heavy casualties.

Which satellites? Indian media satellites?

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Lastly, I have explained thoroughly, why its important to re-group and improvise.

I think it's obvious that you've to first run to regroup and that's exactly what I had mentioned. Coming back to fight another day when you are better prepared. No shame in it.

Honestly, dont quote me since you have no idea what im talking about.

Yeah, you equated some Muslim women jumping into wells with IA so yes, I have zero idea what you're talking about.

 

[Aadi_1591]

Today's satellite images have proved Chinese pushed out of Galwan. This is only possible if PLA had heavy casualties.

WHATTTTTT? ARE YOU NUTS? I JUST SAW HUNDERS OF PLA ARMY TRUCKS PARKED ALONGSIDE THEIR TENTS IN GALWAN VALLEY

 

[striver44]

Sad