10 British citizens planned to conduct riots at Temple Mount during Ramadan

[Solomon2]

That bad behavior has to do with existing hatred for Israeli visitors due to their blatant violation of mosque rules and etiquette.

What happened to the requirement that you link to evidence for every bald claim?

 

[SQ8]

What happened to the requirement that you link to evidence for every bald claim?

/https://www.rt.com/news/315190-israeli-forces-storm-palestinian-mosque/
https://www.rt.com/news/315190-israeli-forces-storm-palestinian-mosque/
Just one example of the various violations of the sanctity of Al-Aqsa.

 

[Solomon2]

Just one example -

Uh-uh. Not only isn't a great source: you made a specific cause-and-effect claim and failed to back it up.

 

[SQ8]

Uh-uh. Not only isn't a great source: you made a specific cause-and-effect claim and failed to back it up.

So a zionist paper is a great source.
I made a specific cause and effect claim based on personal experience. You dont have to accept it, and I dont have to accept your zionist sources.

 

[Solomon2]

So a jewish paper is a great source.

I pointed out the weaknesses of the writing, most likely due to unfamiliarity with the legal differences between "national" and "citizen". That doesn't mean the incident didn't happen, especially since it appears based on official sources. With RT, on the other hand, you have to worry about such things: link

I made a specific cause and effect claim based on personal experience.

You were on the Temple Mount and experienced this? Or are you expressing the meme popular in the Pakistani community and have taken ownership (and thus responsibility) for it yourself?

You dont have to accept it, and I dont have to accept your zionist sources.

Not so. You have the right to your own opinion. You don't have the right to your own facts.

 

[SQ8]

I pointed out the weaknesses of the writing, most likely due to unfamiliarity with the legal differences between "national" and "citizen". That doesn't mean the incident didn't happen, especially since it appears based on official sources. With RT, on the other hand, you have to worry about such things: link

You were on the Temple Mount and experienced this? Or are you expressing the meme popular in the Pakistani community and have taken ownership (and thus responsibility) for it yourself?

Not so. You have the right to your own opinion. You don't have the right to your own facts.

Please keep the needless pandering of citizen and national to yourself, it is your tangential efforts to derail the thread.
My father and I are US citizens, he has been to Israel and I intend to follow suit, perhaps Ill take pictures of your beloved sanctimonious land and provide the proof of the heavy handedness myself if your security forces dont detain or arrest me.

As for your point about facts, for someone whose entire existence here is based upon passing opinions as facts; I believe you are in position to dictate the definitions of either.

 

[Solomon2]

My father and I are US citizens, he has been to Israel and I intend to follow suit, perhaps Ill take pictures of your beloved sanctimonious land and provide the proof of the heavy handedness myself if your security forces dont detain or arrest me.

It is uncharacteristic of Pakistanis to seek out and post evidence that contradicts their prejudices, yes? Do you think you would post pictures and video to objectively show who the culprits are, or snip a little here and there to portray that the Jews are to blame?

As for your point about facts, for someone whose entire existence here is based upon passing opinions as facts -

You know better than that. You know that I back up my judgments with facts and logical arguments.

 

[SQ8]

It is uncharacteristic of Pakistanis to seek out and post evidence that contradicts their prejudices, yes? Do you think you would post pictures and video to objectively show who the culprits are, or snip a little here and there to portray that the Jews are to blame?

You know better than that. You know that I back up my judgments with facts and logical arguments.

First, please stop identifying with all jews. You are a zionist, not all Jewish people are zionist and it is incorrect to put them all in one, In fact I was wrong to say Jewish sources since I wished to refer to your usual papers.. Ill edit it to say Zionist.

Second, You back up your judgements with biased sources and tangential articulated arguments; there is a stark difference. So asking me about whether Ill alter the pictures to show zionists as culprits is just your being the usual apologist and playing the blame game.

 

[Nigel Farrage]

So Israel is now targeting British Muslims.
They flew from UK, so couldn't have carried any weapons or "riot" equipment. How in the world Israel blamed them of causing riots.
Dirty country with dirty tricks.

 

[Solomon2]

First, please stop identifying with all jews. You are a zionist, not all Jewish people are zionist and it is incorrect to put them all in one, In fact I was wrong to say Jewish sources since I wished to refer to your usual papers.. Ill edit it to say Zionist.

Thanks, but I'm not sure whether or not JO is in fact "Zionist" or not. Just Israeli.

Second, You back up your judgements with biased sources -

If person A says 1+1=2 and person B says 1+1=4 then I'm guilty of "bias" for siding with person A on the grounds of sound mathematical operations. That doesn't make either myself or A wrong. Indeed, an unbiased reporter giving equal weight to both A and B would actually be guilty of obscuring the truth. So you see, "bias" by itself does NOT discredit anybody, only unsupportable bias does - the sort I've pointed out you've engaged in.

...and tangential articulated arguments.

Maybe. However, in situations when the participants themselves don't have a clear idea of facts, or can't admit them, then the argument accused of being "tangential" can very well be the real thing.

....your being the usual apologist and playing the blame game.

Do you think Pakistan can advance without challenging the conventional thinking and mores that have dragged it into supporting terror for generations?

 

[Jaanbaz]

It is uncharacteristic of Pakistanis to seek out and post evidence that contradicts their prejudices, yes? Do you think you would post pictures and video to objectively show who the culprits are, or snip a little here and there to portray that the Jews are to blame?

You know better than that. You know that I back up my judgments with facts and logical arguments.

You're no different then an Islamist, both believe they are on a God given mission, both believe that end justifies the means and that you are the righteous ones and the rest are kafirs or goyim. Both are dangerous and need to be mocked and locked behind prison bars for the sake of humanity.

 

[Solomon2]

You're no different then an Islamist -

While we can be sure that both myself and Islamists find your assertion offensive, the plain fact is that I don't need to believe in a "God given mission" to justify Israel's existence as a Jewish state and the rights of its Jewish citizens to life, liberty, and property unmolested by those who would unjustly do them harm. That's because the case for Zionism is thoroughly grounded in international law - fair purchase, the Caliphate's bequest, and the British Mandate - and history: that the Jews lived in "Palestine" for over a thousand years before the Diaspora, maintained their separate identity as a people afterward, and due to the ills of the world can't always expect justice at the hands of others, and therefore deserve their own state in their national home..

That doesn't mean religious arguments supporting Zionism don't exist. But the case for Israel is quite strong without them.

 

[Jaanbaz]

While we can be sure that both myself and Islamists find your assertion offensive, the plain fact is that I don't need to believe in a "God given mission" to justify Israel's existence as a Jewish state and the rights of its Jewish citizens to life, liberty, and property unmolested by those who would unjustly do them harm. That's because the case for Zionism is thoroughly grounded in international law - fair purchase, the Caliphate's bequest, and the British Mandate - and history: that the Jews lived in "Palestine" for over a thousand years before the Diaspora, maintained their separate identity as a people afterward, and due to the ills of the world can't always expect justice at the hands of others, and therefore deserve their own state.

That doesn't mean religious arguments supporting Zionism don't exist. But the case for Israel is quite strong without them.

You just proved my point, now you're just practising Jewish version of Taqiyya.

 

[Solomon2]

You just proved my point, now you're just practising Jewish version of Taqiyya.

I'm not a Muslim so I am not fit to define Taqiyya, am I? Nevertheless, I don't think I proved your point in the slightest. Seven decades of independence demonstrating that Israel is a good home for both Jews and Arabs and its extraordinarily merciful treatment of those who wish it destroyed show the vast gulf between Islamists and Zionists.

 

[SQ8]

Thanks, but I'm not sure whether or not JO is in fact "Zionist" or not. Just Israeli.

If person A says 1+1=2 and person B says 1+1=4 then I'm guilty of "bias" for siding with person A on the grounds of sound mathematical operations. That doesn't make either myself or A wrong. Indeed, an unbiased reporter giving equal weight to both A and B would actually be guilty of obscuring the truth. So you see, "bias" by itself does NOT discredit anybody, only unsupportable bias does - the sort I've pointed out you've engaged in.

Maybe. However, in situations when the participants themselves don't have a clear idea of facts, or can't admit them, then the argument accused of being "tangential" can very well be the real thing.

Do you think Pakistan can advance without challenging the conventional thinking and mores that have dragged it into supporting terror for generations?

Your mathematical operations would work if geopolitics was mathematics. Rather in your case you are suggesting based on whatever sources you bring that it is violet while it could be lilac. So that analogy is not there. Bias is dependant on whether actual facts exist on what are as such opinions on international issues. Since you havent presented any facts and are only bringing in opinions, they are biased to your narrative. Since my personal experiences are my own and only back up the narrative of world events based on the facts I see from different angles and not just repeated one sided sources as you bring; I can support myself.

So unless you can bring me even a single news story that is not out of some Israeli-Zionist publication; it is bias and hence unacceptable.

The rest is your usual tirade against Pakistan for which you only have one single supporter on this forum whose own history is skewed and filled with personal bias against Pakistan; I have no need to reply.