1: Well, COVID has officially made it to every part of China, even this isolated corner ... we've all gotten it now.

[Rusty2]

I m your grandfather, lol.. be a nice grandson, you.

lol
Are good comebacks above your paygrade?

 

[beijingwalker]

lol
Are good comebacks above your paygrade?

LOl, probably above yours, poor guy.

 

[Han Patriot]

Just a call back to 2 years ago when our resident paid government employees were laughing at the death tolls of other nations and making wolf warrior movies about how China saved the world from covid.
The CCP vaccine was supposed to be 1010% better than western vaccines and "wolf warrior 2: covid commander" was going to be made showing how the CCP sent elite units to physically fight the covid virus in Africa.

Well India still fck it up so badly people needed to queue for oxygen mate. Look at this video. You see them gasping for air? 6 million dead vs few thousand deaths in China? Come on...

Covid riot in China demanding mrna vaccine

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

It took at least two years for the basically maskless US to hit 60%...how can it spread that fast in China after years of zero Covid?

Because taht's the goal: getting the whole country infected as quickly and thoroughly as possible. The U-turn happened so quick to the point lots of people felt like being ambushed.

China is the only country does this "steepen the curve" approach, while infections in almost every other country runs a natural curve with some efforts throw in here and there to flatten it.

Stay out of the cities as much as you can.

nah I already miss those street food venders and restaurants.. can't have shit in here.

 

[Rusty2]

LOl, probably above yours, poor guy.

100%
I don't get paid to shitpost on the internet. Looking at your post history over the last 12 year, you are 100% making more money than me.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Because taht's the goal: getting the whole country infected as quickly and thoroughly as possible. The U-turn happened so quick to the point lots of people felt like being ambushed.

LOL! So now everybody can thank their Government for getting them sick...like that is going to solve anything? It's not like you can't get it twice.

Hey let's line everybody up to get the flu too...like that is going to solve anything.

 

[beijingwalker]

100%
I don't get paid to shitpost on the internet. Looking at your post history over the last 12 year, you are 100% making more money than me.

Making " more" money than you? how much do you make? I openly criticize Xi's third term and oppose covid lockddowns, how much do you think I can make by posting their ideas?

LOL! So now everybody can thank their Government for getting them sick...like that is going to solve anything? It's not like you can't get it twice.

Hey let's line everybody up to get the flu too...like that is going to solve anything.

Chinese government made some mistakes during this pandemic, but which government didn't? still remember Trump to discourage the general publick to wear masks during the early stage of outbreaks in US?

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

LOL! So now everybody can thank their Government for getting them sick...like that is going to solve anything? It's not like you can't get it twice.

Hey let's line everybody up to get the flu too...like that is going to solve anything.

The govt kept telling people for the past 2 years that Covid is still very lethal in order for them to comply with lockdown measures. Now imagine the sudden change of narrative while giving a prior notice of dropping 0-Covid, lots of skeptical people would panic, and maybe run into hiding, especially the paranoid middle class, they usually have a hefty bank account that could last them a few years of living off of social grid rather comfortably. Which would be bad news for the country's productivity and consumer-based economy. We can't have that.

So the policy makers decided that the most persuasive way of saying Covid is no longer that scary is to shove the virus down everyone's throat.

 

[beijingwalker]

Herd immunity achieved in one month, Crowds and traffic jams return to Beijing after the covid outbreak​

Herd immunity achieved in one month, Crowds and traffic jams return to Beijing after the covid outbreak

Herd immunity achieved in one month, Crowds and traffic jams return to Beijing after the covid outbreak

defence.pk

 

[Mista]

It took at least two years for the basically maskless US to hit 60%...how can it spread that fast in China after years of zero Covid?

I doubt that 70-80% has already been infected in China. Maybe in some cities, but certainly not across all of China with ~40% rural population.

In Singapore we started loosening restrictions since Delta last year. This year each Omicron infection wave lasted around 3 months. ~6 weeks for each wave to crest and another ~6 weeks to trough.

After so many months there is an estimated of only 60% of Singapore residents getting infected as of August, which I think is pretty accurate based on my social circle.

60% of Singapore residents have caught COVID-19, but this doesn't mean there is herd immunity: Ong Ye Kung

Many scientists around the world do not think herd immunity is achievable because the coronavirus will continue to mutate, escape the protection of vaccines and infect people, Mr Ong said.

www.channelnewsasia.com

In HK, which has also previously adopted zero-covid until they lost control like China, they had a shorter but steeper wave earlier this year lasting around 2 months.

So when even dense cities like SG/HK took 2-3 months for each wave to complete its cycle, I doubt China which loosen restrictions barely 3 weeks ago already has 70-80% of their 1.4bil population infected.

China's infections will probably peak in late Jan/early Feb next year, which coincides with Chinese New Year. The Chunyun which usually starts ~2weeks before CNY may aggravate the situation when the urban dwellers return back to their rural hometown.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I doubt that 70-80% has already been infected in China. Maybe in some cities, but certainly not across all of China with ~40% rural population.

In Singapore we started loosening restrictions since Delta last year. This year each Omicron infection wave lasted around 3 months. ~6 weeks for each wave to crest and another ~6 weeks to trough.

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After so many months there is an estimated of only 60% of Singapore residents getting infected as of August, which I think is pretty accurate based on my social circle.

60% of Singapore residents have caught COVID-19, but this doesn't mean there is herd immunity: Ong Ye Kung

Many scientists around the world do not think herd immunity is achievable because the coronavirus will continue to mutate, escape the protection of vaccines and infect people, Mr Ong said.

www.channelnewsasia.com

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In HK, which has also previously adopted zero-covid until they lost control like China, they had a shorter but steeper wave earlier this year lasting around 2 months.

So when even dense cities like SG/HK took 2-3 months for each wave to complete its cycle, I doubt China which loosen restrictions barely 3 weeks ago already has 70-80% of their 1.4bil population infected.

China's infections will probably peak in late Jan/early Feb next year, which coincides with Chinese New Year. The Chunyun which usually starts ~2weeks before CNY may aggravate the situation when the urban dwellers return back to their rural hometown.

I’m glad somebody else is seeing this seems nonsensical. Either they are overcounting or they have been undercounting for the last year.

Although maybe somehow a faster than usual virus could help explain a surge in late 2019 that seemed to hit Milan Italy quickly.

NOVEMBER 16, 2020

Researchers find coronavirus was circulating in Italy earlier than thought

The new coronavirus was circulating in Italy in September 2019, a study by the National Cancer Institute (INT) of the Italian city of Milan shows, signaling that it might have spread beyond China earlier than thought.

www.reuters.com

The new coronavirus was circulating in Italy in September 2019, a study by the National Cancer Institute (INT) of the Italian city of Milan shows, signaling that it might have spread beyond China earlier than thought.

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Looks like Deja vu..of 2019 in 2022

December 28, 2022

Milan Reports 50% of Passengers on China Flights Have Covid

Italian health authorities will begin testing all arrivals from China for Covid after almost half of the passengers on two flights to Milan were found to have the virus.

www.bloomberg.com

Milan Reports 50% of Passengers on China Flights Have Covid​

 

[Mista]

I’m glad somebody else is seeing this seems nonsensical. Either they are overcounting or they have been undercounting for the last year.

It's pretty clear at this point that the stats released by China are unreliable as they have very different classification methods from the rest of the world.

Previously they don't add asymptomatic cases to their official count, and according to their numbers, ~90% of all cases are asymptomatic. I always found it puzzling that they have such a high rate of asymptomatic cases because that is contrary against what I've seen, but I gave them the benefit of doubt because they are the only country which tests so frequently and extensively which would uncover asymptomatic cases unlike other countries.

Turns out that number is probably BS. As more Chinese have been infected recently, they have also started questioning the veracity of the stats on whether 90% of cases are asymptomatic because almost every positive cases they know are symptomatic (fever, cough, sore throat etc). I read some who previously got infected shared that if you are initially asymptomatic and started showing symptoms a few days later, you have to take a lung CT scan and show that you have 'white spots' in your lungs before getting classified as a symptomatic case, which is a tedious process for the majority. Not sure how true is this claim, but I'm pretty sure 90% of cases are not asymptomatic.

张文宏曾说98%的人都是无症状感染者，那为什么现在放开了身边的个个都是高烧，刀片喉咙，水泥塞鼻？ - 知乎

知乎，中文互联网高质量的问答社区和创作者聚集的原创内容平台，于 2011 年 1 月正式上线，以「让人们更好的分享知识、经验和见解，找到自己的解答」为品牌使命。知乎凭借认真、专业、友善的社区氛围、独特的产品机制以及结构化和易获得的优质内容，聚集了中文互联网科技、商业、影视、时尚、文化等领域最具创造力的人群，已成为综合性、全品类、在诸多领域具有关键影响力的知识分享社区和创作者聚集的原创内容平台，建立起了以社区驱动的内容变现商业模式。

www.zhihu.com

为什么疫情放开前90%以上都是无症状感染者，放开后身边都是有症状的高烧感染者？ - 知乎

我知道有人会说现在也不做核酸了，无症状的不知道自己是阳性。但是我举几个例子，我朋友家的亲戚基本上七…

www.zhihu.com

Their official number for Covid deaths previously, which on most days indicate zero deaths, is probably also BS. For this they have already admitted that they have very different classification methods from the rest of the world.

Before they reopened, there are estimates that China already had ~600K excess deaths. If it's accurate, I thought it's mostly due to the the delayed medical attention for non-Covid patients from the lockdowns and diverting medical resources to battle Covid. But now it seems more likely that they have undercounted Covid deaths.

September article:

askST: What is excess death and what is Covid-19's true toll on the world?

Singapore saw 2,490 excess deaths due to Covid-19 between January 2020 and June 2022. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

 

[knightmare]

It's pretty clear at this point that the stats released by China are unreliable as they have very different classification methods from the rest of the world.

Previously they don't add asymptomatic cases to their official count, and according to their numbers, ~90% of all cases are asymptomatic. I always found it puzzling that they have such a high rate of asymptomatic cases because that is contrary against what I've seen, but I gave them the benefit of doubt because they are the only country which tests so frequently and extensively which would uncover asymptomatic cases unlike other countries.

Turns out that number is probably BS. As more Chinese have been infected recently, they have also started questioning the veracity of the stats on whether 90% of cases are asymptomatic because almost every positive cases they know are symptomatic (fever, cough, sore throat etc). I read some who previously got infected shared that if you are initially asymptomatic and started showing symptoms a few days later, you have to take a lung CT scan and show that you have 'white spots' in your lungs before getting classified as a symptomatic case, which is a tedious process for the majority. Not sure how true is this claim, but I'm pretty sure 90% of cases are not asymptomatic.

张文宏曾说98%的人都是无症状感染者，那为什么现在放开了身边的个个都是高烧，刀片喉咙，水泥塞鼻？ - 知乎

知乎，中文互联网高质量的问答社区和创作者聚集的原创内容平台，于 2011 年 1 月正式上线，以「让人们更好的分享知识、经验和见解，找到自己的解答」为品牌使命。知乎凭借认真、专业、友善的社区氛围、独特的产品机制以及结构化和易获得的优质内容，聚集了中文互联网科技、商业、影视、时尚、文化等领域最具创造力的人群，已成为综合性、全品类、在诸多领域具有关键影响力的知识分享社区和创作者聚集的原创内容平台，建立起了以社区驱动的内容变现商业模式。

www.zhihu.com

为什么疫情放开前90%以上都是无症状感染者，放开后身边都是有症状的高烧感染者？ - 知乎

我知道有人会说现在也不做核酸了，无症状的不知道自己是阳性。但是我举几个例子，我朋友家的亲戚基本上七…

www.zhihu.com

Their official number for Covid deaths previously, which on most days indicate zero deaths, is probably also BS. For this they have already admitted that they have very different classification methods from the rest of the world.

Before they reopened, there are estimates that China already had ~600K excess deaths. If it's accurate, I thought it's mostly due to the the delayed medical attention for non-Covid patients from the lockdowns and diverting medical resources to battle Covid. But now it seems more likely that they have undercounted Covid deaths.

September article:
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askST: What is excess death and what is Covid-19's true toll on the world?

Singapore saw 2,490 excess deaths due to Covid-19 between January 2020 and June 2022. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

Covid in China: Officials must share data on its impact, says WHO

As the disease surges in China, UN health officials say they need to assess the risk to the global community.

www.bbc.com

Now even WHO is no more able to ignore the ridiculousness of the data which Chinese govt publishes (& this is the same WHO which didn't question the Chinese when they were trying to sweep the pandemic under the carpet & even said that they don't see a possibility of human transmission).

 

[knightmare]

Well India still fck it up so badly people needed to queue for oxygen mate. Look at this video. You see them gasping for air? 6 million dead vs few thousand deaths in China? Come on...

Covid riot in China demanding mrna vaccine

At this stage why even bother with a few thousands. Just claim that China managed COVID so well that Chinese vaccines & medical system reduced the deaths which might have happened due to other causes as well. & now in fact it's a '-ve' death toll that you have achieved due to the pandemic. If you are writing fiction then at least let it be interesting.

 

[Han Patriot]

At this stage why even bother with a few thousands. Just claim that China managed COVID so well that Chinese vaccines & medical system reduced the deaths which might have happened due to other causes as well. & now in fact it's a '-ve' death toll that you have achieved due to the pandemic. If you are writing fiction then at least let it be interesting.

EMPTY restaurants in China, people panicking.