Facts Don't Lie - US Definitely Helping ISIS Against Russia in Syria

[Globenim]

Wait...I'm confused.
Russian allegation is the US has been helping ISIS for a long time. Gotcha.

However Russia is now claiming that because the US has stopped bombing ISIS near the Euphrates ISIS can now suddenly launch offenses against Syria causing the Russians and Syrians to have to reallocate troops.

But..but...if the US had been helping ISIS all along ISIS would have already crossed the Euphrates long ago. They wouldn't need to wait for the US to stop bombing them since apparently according to the Russian we were never bombing them to begin with.



Russia (and people here) want the US out of Syria. But if we leave we are blamed for helping ISIS? If we stay we are blamed for helping ISIS...

Dont pretend to be dumb and drop the dishonest hyberbolic strawmen.

Its a common tactic throughout history especially utilized by the U.S. to flipflop on secondary objectives if it serves your primary objective, even if it means helping out terrorists you pretend to fight only to replace them with other terrorists. A few dumb smileys dont make this assertion "stupid" or "contradictive".
Russians never claimed the US "never bombed them" nor is there any implication of such in this story.
Helping out ISIS whenever the opportunity arises and whenever it just harms Syrians doesnt mean full unconditional support.
Helping out ISIS doesnt mean their endgoal must be ISIS ruling over Syria.

The U.S. doesnt side with anyone in Syria. They are just there for violent regime change after coercion didnt work, and if not that at least maximum destruction and destabilization to create opportunities to put a more favourable puppet into power later on.

Its more than obvious, its evident. You are just in denial.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Dont pretend to be dumb and drop the dishonest hyberbolic strawmen.

Its a common tactic throughout history especially utilized by the U.S. to flipflip on secondary objectives if it serves your primary objective, even if it means helping out terrorists you pretend to fight only to replace them with other terrorists. There is nothing "stupid" or "contradictive" about asserting this.
Russians never claimed the US "never bombed them".
Helping out ISIS whenever the opportunity arises and whenever it just harms Syrians doesnt means full unconditional support.
Helping out ISIS doesnt mean their endgoal is ISIS ruling over Syria.

The U.S. doesnt side with anyone in Syria. They are just there for violent regime change after coercion didnt work, and if not that at least maximum destruction and destabilization to create opportunities to put a more favourable puppet into power later on.

Its more than obvious, its evident. You are just in denial.

Of course the US wants a regime change in Syria. The only countries currently helping Syria are Russia, Iran and Lebanese Hezbollah. Pretty much all of their neighboring Arab countries are supporting the rebels.

ISIS really came into being after the US withdrawal from Iraq in 2011. Before 2011 nobody really heard of them. The US installed a pro-Shia government after the fall of Saddam and many were not too happy about it. When the US left in 2011 ISIS popped into the scene saying they wanted to overthrow the Shia Iraqi government.

Since then the US has had to go back to Iraq to help the government troops fight off ISIS (without anybody else helping I may add). Then ISIS starts spilling over into Syria and attacking the Syrians/rebels. Now the US has to bomb the Eastern areas of Syria. When the Russians offered to help fly into areas to help with ISIS bombing we obliged. Of course the first thing the Russians did was to ignore ISIS completely and bomb every other group instead...including the one's on the ground fighting ISIS.

read this-> https://www.vox.com/2015/10/7/9471271/russia-syria-bombing-map

"ISIS's growth has arguably helped Assad. His forces have tacitly tolerated ISIS in northeastern Syria while focusing military efforts on the rebels. This was part of what appeared to be a deliberate strategy to encourage extremism in order to discourage foreign intervention against him."


This gave ISIS even more room to expand into Syria. Turning everything into a real mess. I think a great question to the Russians is WHEN did they actually decide to start bombing ISIS? It certainly wasn't from day one!!! They ignored them completely!

Now you have the Russians complaining about the US not bombing ISIS in the east (before they were complaining as to why we are in Syria at all) so WE are helping out ISIS. Sheesh! Maybe those morons should have thought about that back in 2015 when they skipped bombing ISIS...because THEY thought that was a good idea!

 

[Taimoor Khan]

ISIS have been air lifted from Raqqa to Tora bora mountains in Afghanistan just next to Pakistan border.

Pakistan must prempt this TTP version 2 entering our soil. Drop a efing tactical nuke over tora bora when they all have been assembled by CIA.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

ISIS have been air lifted from Raqqa to Tora bora mountains in Afghanistan just next to Pakistan border.

Pakistan must prempt this TTP version 2 entering our soil. Drop a efing tactical nuke over tora bora when they all have been assembled by CIA.

How did they get to Tora Bora without the permission of Iranian or Pakistani air traffic control to fly across their air space? Or did they fly over the Caspian right under the noses of the Russians?

 

[Verve]

ISIS is being airlifted to Tora Bora by US helis as well.

How did they get to Tora Bora without the permission of Iranian or Pakistani air traffic control to fly across their air space? Or did they fly over the Caspian right under the noses of the Russians?

Does every US air force plane taking off one base and landing at another US base get inspected by the countries they fly over?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

How did they get to Tora Bora without the permission of Iranian or Pakistani air traffic control to fly across their air space? Or did they fly over the Caspian right under the noses of the Russians?

Pakistan air corridor is open to US military since 9/11 for their travel to Afghansitan.

When the ex Afghan president is questioning the American role in bringing ISIS to Afghanistan, Russians are saying the same, you need to start listening rather questioning.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Pakistan air corridor is open to US military since 9/11 for their travel to Afghansitan.

When the ex Afghan president is questioning the American role in bringing ISIS to Afghanistan, Russians are saying the same, you need to start listening rather questioning.

Lol! In that same interview he said Pakistan is the one who is safeguarding those terrorists. That the US knew for years Pakistan was a terrorist sanctuary and the US did nothing about it. So if you backing his theories maybe YOU should start listening to him rather than questioning.

"“The Americans for years knew that there were [terrorist] sanctuaries in Pakistan. For the last 16 years they knew that. And they kept saying there were sanctuaries in Pakistan, President Obama said that, Secretary Clinton said that, other State Secretaries and Defense Secretaries of the US government said that,” Karzai said. “Michael Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in 2010, I believe, just before his retirement, that the Haqqani network [a Taliban-affiliated Afghan insurgent group] was a confirmed, veritable arm of ISIS. Even then they continued their relationship and began to supplying Pakistan.”"

 

[LeGenD]

What I see in this thread is the fact that each stakeholder is trying to justify its nefarious designs in the Middle East and Afghanistan; ISIS is a convenient tool for such justification.

Please tell me who have suffered the most in these political games?

- Innocent Syrians
- Innocent Iraqi
- Innocent Afghans

Millions dead and displaced so far.

And here we have PDF members patronizing the entities they love while ignoring the greater reality that ISIS is the outcome of [1] ill-advised regime-change experiments in countries on the behest of a segment of populace (in each) and [2] the actions of a genocidal maniac (i.e. Bashar al-Assad) in Syria which in turn ensured expansion of ISIS. To Bashar, destruction of much of his country was an acceptable price to pay rather than stepping down from power in accordance with the wishes of Syrian masses.

Hardly anybody here questions the motives of the genocidal maniac in Syria and the support he received from Russia, Hezbollah and Iran in carrying out his genocidal activities instead of being pressured to strike a deal with his political opponents [FSA] and step down from power.

In the aforementioned political clout, no stakeholder has any moral authority to judge the actions of the other. Russia, Iran and US should be ashamed of their actions instead.

Conversely, US [has] played a significant role in routing ISIS forces from lands across Syria and Iraq. To this end, US has not only deployed teams on the ground but conducted over 30,000 strikes on ISIS positions so far. It is disingenious to blame the US for facilitating the expansion of ISIS in the light of its military actions. In-fact, there is much greater (circumstantial) evidence of Turkey facilitating the actions of ISIS in Syria than the US; not necessarily by design but due to its set-of-actions.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Lol! In that same interview he said Pakistan is the one who is safeguarding those terrorists. That the US knew for years Pakistan was a terrorist sanctuary and the US did nothing about it. So if you backing his theories maybe YOU should start listening to him rather than questioning.

"“The Americans for years knew that there were [terrorist] sanctuaries in Pakistan. For the last 16 years they knew that. And they kept saying there were sanctuaries in Pakistan, President Obama said that, Secretary Clinton said that, other State Secretaries and Defense Secretaries of the US government said that,” Karzai said. “Michael Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in 2010, I believe, just before his retirement, that the Haqqani network [a Taliban-affiliated Afghan insurgent group] was a confirmed, veritable arm of ISIS. Even then they continued their relationship and began to supplying Pakistan.”"

https://www.voanews.com/a/former-af...zai-callms-islamic-state-tool-us/3817463.html

Former Afghan President Karzai Calls Islamic State 'Tool' of US


You see Pakistan is not occupying Afghanistan. America is.