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Is it the barracuda reactor for indian nuclear submarines

or barracuda sub with indian reactor ?

We cant get barracuda reactor officially.. Nor we can get barracuda sub officially and get N reactor fitted on it..

One way is exclusive hush hush help in reactors via Areva L&T deal; Second way is via P75I project and awarding it to DCNS and using SMX 80 submarine which is based on Barracuda N sub and get technology of submarine except reactor tech into India via a legitimate route.

If not then it has to be based on some other project where we pay an amount and get tech which goes into the N Subs.. (piggyback ride situation)

One of the way planned is getting DCNS to do consultancy for N ACC or IAC2... That actually helps us prepare the peripheral zone of IAC2 Reactor and we can of course use DCNS consultancy for the same around SSNs. DCNS is already there in Scorpene subs project and we will see them given a follow on order.. DCNS may also be given an exception for 100% FDI route to set up certain subsidiaries in India for example for AIP and others so that it can handle and manage tech being coming into India for Black projects.

As far as i understand India is interested more in barracuda sub technology than its reactor.. The submarine SSN may be a elongated Arihant design with placement changes in overall design.. Thats from outside in drawing board.. In actual, the real SSN will have everything based out of tech from Kilo, Scorpene, Akula and P75I chosen for the best fitment basis. Surprisingly Kilo and Akula are Russian so Scorpene and P75I if its french it makes sense, if its like French and German (P75I), the relationship with Germany has to grow to same extent as France to accommodate such requests.. Thats a pretty steep need actually but realizable. Germans are becoming a bit desperate with today offering to build Australia all 12 subs at half cost as talked for Japan's Soryu under SEA 1000 plan.. So i expect them to agree if India does ask such tech for black projects.
 
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& "As far as i understand India is interested more in barracuda sub technology than its reactor."
K15 same as Charles-de-Gaulle. But DCNS has a conventional powered version ready on paper.
So it can be any mix and match.
 
Some thing more interesting on DA side

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17 Mar, 16
First Ultra Long Range Falcon 8X Set for Delivery to Indian Operator by End of 2016
Dassault Aviation presents its fleet of Falcon large cabin, long range business jets at India Aviation, India’s biggest civilian aviation exhibition.

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The fifth edition of this prestigious event, which opens today at Hyderabad Begumpet Airport, features Dassault’s popular 4,000 nm/7,410 km range Falcon 2000LXS widebody twinjet.

Dassault is the Indian market leader for large cabin, long range aircraft, with 22 aircraft currently in service and several more on order. This position stems in part from the Indian Air Force’s long experience with Dassault fighters, whose advanced technologies, notably digital flight control, served as the basis for that on the Falcon 7X.

“We expect the country’s accelerating economic growth to translate into rising Falcon sales going forward,” said Dassault Aviation Chairman/CEO Eric Trappier. “No other business jet line is more suited to local requirements, whether it be in terms of cabin design, flying performance, fuel economy or versatility, than Falcon.

Dassault’s popular Falcon 2000 twinjet – now approaching the 600th production mark – accounts for the largest portion of the present Indian fleet. Sales are currently being driven by the Falcon 2000LXS, the newest edition in the 2000 line, which offers a short-field capability comparable to smaller midsize and super midsize business jet models but with a range and comfort level far better than these aircraft.

This summer, the Falcon 2000 line will be certified to carry Dassault’s new FalconEye Combined Vision System option, allowing the LXS and the shorter range Falcon 2000S entry level jet to be offered with this revolutionary head up display, the first in the industry to meld synthetic and enhanced vision capabilities.

Bulk of New Sales Coming from Falcon 7X, 8X

The majority of new Indian Falcon orders, however, are for longer range models like the Falcon 7X and the new ultra long range Falcon 8X that can fly non-stop from anywhere in India to destinations such as London City Airport that are typically off limits to big business jets.

The 6,450 nm/11,945 km Falcon 8X, which will feature the quietest and most comfortable cabin in business aviation, is due to be delivered to its first Indian operator by the end of 2016. The 8X will offer all the advanced technological features of the popular Falcon 7X, from which it is derived, including the industry’s leading digital flight control suite. It will also be certified with the advanced FalconEye Combined Vision System.

Set to be certified in mid-2016, the new trijet will offer the longest range of any Falcon along with the most extensive selection of cabin configurations available on any large cabin business jet.

The three 8X’s in the flight test program have nearly completed all certification test requirements, having accumulated over 550 flight hours to date.

This spring, s/n 03, the first 8X with a fully fitted interior, will undergo a global test campaign to demonstrate aircraft operational reliability and performance in different flight conditions. The month-long campaign will subject the aircraft to the extremes of what Falcon 8X customers might expect to face during its operational life and focus particular attention on the performance of cabin equipment and functionalities and other high speed communications systems, especially during long intercontinental flights.

Dassault also predicts strong demand among Indian customers for the all-new Falcon 5X very large body twin, currently in development. Due to enter service in 2020, the 5,200 nm/9,630 km 5X will offer the largest cabin cross-section of any business jet and the lowest ownership and operating costs in the 5,000 nm segment.


“The unmatched ability of Falcons to combine short and long haul flights and fly out of short hard-to-reach airstrips with full range performance – even at high altitudes and high temperature conditions – make them perfect for Indian operating conditions,” continued Trappier.

Reinforced support network

Meanwhile, Dassault continues to reinforce its regional support presence. Last year, the company opened a new Bangalore office and authorized Ligare Engineering, a division of Ligare Voyages, to provide AOG Service Level Maintenance for the Falcon 7X at its Delhi service facility.

The deal with Ligare followed previous Authorized Service Center agreements with Taj Air/Metrojet, for the Falcon 2000 series, and Air Works India, for the Falcon 900EX/LX line. Both of these operations are located in Mumbai and supported by satellite facilities around the country.

The regional service centers are backed up by spares warehouses in Mumbai and Chennai and offshore facilities in Dubai,Singapore and Paris.


Source: First Ultra Long Range Falcon 8X Set for Delivery to Indian Operator by End of 2016 | Littlegate Publishing

India Aviation Exhibition and Conference Event 2016 - India Aviation Exhibition And Conference Event 2016 in India | India Aviation
 
These slides alone are worthy of their own thread- big plans are afoot.

+ notice what they say at the bottom, under "Make in India" ;)

I hope this isn't the last we hear from you bro but they're probably already on ther way.... :lol::lol:

Is it the barracuda reactor for indian nuclear submarines

or barracuda sub with indian reactor ?
Barracuda hull and her most advanced technologies (like combat managment system, pump jet propulsion etc) but with an Indian PWR.

+ I wonder if the French will be helping on the BARC/DAE PWR efforts ie to increase periods between refueling and increase output.
 
Can that be posted here?
If not, what is the thread title sir?

Post #2827 8-)

& "As far as i understand India is interested more in barracuda sub technology than its reactor."
K15 same as Charles-de-Gaulle. But DCNS has a conventional powered version ready on paper.
So it can be any mix and match.
The Indian navy isn't interested in anymore convetional submarines beyond the Scorpenes and P-75(I)s, they are now finalising their plans for a new class of homemade SSN that is where the Barracuda comes in.
 
If not, what is the thread title sir?

Light Stealth Aircraft of course.

The Indian navy isn't interested in anymore convetional submarines beyond the Scorpenes and P-75(I)s, they are now finalising their plans for a new class of homemade SSN that is where the Barracuda comes in.

IN will buy more SSKs after P-75I, but they will be indigenous.
 
These slides alone are worthy of their own thread- big plans are afoot.

+ notice what they say at the bottom, under "Make in India" ;)

I hope this isn't the last we hear from you bro but they're probably already on ther way.... :lol::lol:

Ok here is the ppt.. This is Reliance ADAG group plan under MII.. It seems ADAG group has really drawn a big war chest for their plans..
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@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @Taygibay @MilSpec @Stephen Cohen

You guys have to check out the brand new thread on IDF made today.

Is it back online.. Seems that site became very unreliable.. I hope we could get some of the folks over here as PDF dont seems to have longer downtime.

Light Stealth Aircraft of course.

I like the concept of what you have described before in this thread.. What would be really interesting is the project execution timeline.. If and there is a big IF, i could presume that head to head a LSA and LCA Mk2 projects are compared and its clearly found out that LSA is superior, I would love to see resources of ADA, HAL and DRDO coming in together and then solely focusing in LSA only..

Its a like American fighter plane deals where 2 competitors come out with protos and the winner takes the cake.

But i see this to be a long road.. Bcz as of now i really am not sure that a private citizen of India, an Ex Forces, with even the best potential pvt sector backing, foreign help from OEMs can forge a JV with HAL, ADA, DRDO for the project execution of LSA.. Sadly as of now, our country does not have such a structure..

Perhaps we should call it LXX Fighter Competition and make it official.. That way we can really change the course of our future jet production in India. and define such JV for winner..
 
Big plans afoot. I wonder what's the status of NOPV.
We cant get barracuda reactor officially.. Nor we can get barracuda sub officially and get N reactor fitted on it..

One way is exclusive hush hush help in reactors via Areva L&T deal; Second way is via P75I project and awarding it to DCNS and using SMX 80 submarine which is based on Barracuda N sub and get technology of submarine except reactor tech into India via a legitimate route.

If not then it has to be based on some other project where we pay an amount and get tech which goes into the N Subs.. (piggyback ride situation)

One of the way planned is getting DCNS to do consultancy for N ACC or IAC2... That actually helps us prepare the peripheral zone of IAC2 Reactor and we can of course use DCNS consultancy for the same around SSNs. DCNS is already there in Scorpene subs project and we will see them given a follow on order.. DCNS may also be given an exception for 100% FDI route to set up certain subsidiaries in India for example for AIP and others so that it can handle and manage tech being coming into India for Black projects.

As far as i understand India is interested more in barracuda sub technology than its reactor.. The submarine SSN may be a elongated Arihant design with placement changes in overall design.. Thats from outside in drawing board.. In actual, the real SSN will have everything based out of tech from Kilo, Scorpene, Akula and P75I chosen for the best fitment basis. Surprisingly Kilo and Akula are Russian so Scorpene and P75I if its french it makes sense, if its like French and German (P75I), the relationship with Germany has to grow to same extent as France to accommodate such requests.. Thats a pretty steep need actually but realizable. Germans are becoming a bit desperate with today offering to build Australia all 12 subs at half cost as talked for Japan's Soryu under SEA 1000 plan.. So i expect them to agree if India does ask such tech for black projects.

Hmm, what's the kind of deal between DCNS and Brazil then? They are getting a SSN.

And even the Jaitpur deal seems off. I wonder how will we pull off anything like that.
 
IMO, MP is talking about the LCA MK.2 here.

The Mk2 is gone bro. The air chief has confirmed that they won't be buying it.

I like the concept of what you have described before in this thread.. What would be really interesting is the project execution timeline.. If and there is a big IF, i could presume that head to head a LSA and LCA Mk2 projects are compared and its clearly found out that LSA is superior, I would love to see resources of ADA, HAL and DRDO coming in together and then solely focusing in LSA only..

Its a like American fighter plane deals where 2 competitors come out with protos and the winner takes the cake.

But i see this to be a long road.. Bcz as of now i really am not sure that a private citizen of India, an Ex Forces, with even the best potential pvt sector backing, foreign help from OEMs can forge a JV with HAL, ADA, DRDO for the project execution of LSA.. Sadly as of now, our country does not have such a structure..

Perhaps we should call it LXX Fighter Competition and make it official.. That way we can really change the course of our future jet production in India. and define such JV for winner..

He says 4 years and a squadron will be delivered.

LSA has a huge IWB. It's air to air loadout matches the PAK FA, 16 missiles. LCA can barely carry 4 without sacrificing range and still get outranged on LSA's internal fuel alone.

Read that thread, it's 3 pages of practically an interview.
 
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