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I was at Pakistan's National Day reception last night, as I usually am. Unfortunately, I missed out on the kebabs and other goodies as I was able to spend only about 15 minutes there; the Hon'ble Vice President had invited me about the same time to an official banquet in honour of his Cuban counterpart. But I went nevertheless to Pakistan House because I believe Pakistan is the most important country on our foreign policy agenda.

I am a regular at Pakistan National Day receptions (so much so that I was once asked to be the Government of India's official representative, predecessor to General VK Singh). This is partly nostalgia. I spent three of the most fruitful and enjoyable years of my life as India's first-ever Consul General in Karachi (Dec 1978- Jan 82), and made so many friends there that 25 years after I returned, no less than 46 of them turned up for my daughter's wedding. They are a warm, friendly, hospitable people and I never cease to be amazed at our inability to turn that affection to political advantage. I also believe that there are at least three major factors that make it imperative for us to seize opportunity by the forelock.

First, the Partition generation in Pakistan, those who were Indians for much of their lives before they became Pakistanis, has virtually phased out. That was the generation that could not but define their own identity in terms of NOT being Indian: "I am a Pakistani because I am not an Indian". The present generations of Pakistanis are Pakistanis - because they are Pakistanis! They were born there, grew up there, have always been Pakistanis and are quite comfortable with their Pakistani passports.

Second, their domestic problems, particularly homegrown sectarianism and terrorism, are so overwhelming that instead of hostility to India being the centerpiece of their national existence, as it was in the immediate aftermath of Partition, India has been so far pushed out of their national consciousness, that in the last two elections, neither India nor even Kashmir figured in any of the principal parties' campaigns.

Third, while hostility against India and Hindus is a running theme in the propaganda of the Islamist extremists, these extremists have so lost sympathy in Pakistan at large that in election after election, their position on the margins is confirmed. Our hostility only helps those in Pakistan who wish to play up that hostility. The mainstream response is to work, if at all possible, towards a viable relationship with India. Working out that viability requires, of course, dialogue - dialogue that, to be eventually fruitful, has to be "uninterrupted and uninterruptible". Yet, we have been shooting ourselves in the foot by repeatedly breaking off the dialogue, converting the relationship into a game of snakes and ladders where we progress significantly up the ladders of mutual cooperation only to let the snakes swallow us up and take us back to the beginning.

The reply I have received to a Question I posed in the just-concluded first half of Parliament's budget session makes the point succinctly: that when we engage diplomatically, cease-fire violations virtually cease, while when we disengage, cease-fire violations increase exponentially. The figures I have been officially supplied show that in the years 2004, '05 and '06, when Dr. Manmohan Singh's special envoy, Ambassador Satinder Lambah, was consistently on the back-channel with his Pakistani interlocutor, Ambassador Tariq Aziz, cease-fire violations were just 1, 6 and 3 respectively. As, however, in 2007, when the dialogue seized up and eventually broke down, ceasefire violations rose to 21, shot up to 80, then 93 in 2012, and peaked in 2013 at 199. 2014 recorded a small decline to 153. There are approximately 150-200 times more violations when war clouds are gathering than when peace is on the horizon.

Does that not show that we have got cause and effect wrong when we insist that cease-fire violations must end for talks to begin? Past experience shows that the best way to end cease-fire violations is for us to talk to each other, rather than at each other.

Among my fellow-guests at the Pakistan reception were, I understand, Mirwaiz Farooq and a team of Hurriyat leaders. I would have liked to meet them, as I usually do at Pakistan National Day receptions. This time I was denied the pleasure for I was at the reception for far too short a time to really walk around. But on previous occasions, the Hurriyat have always greeted me fondly and invited me to Kashmir (an invitation that has, alas, never been followed up!) I greet them not because I agree with them, but because they are fellow human beings, fellow Indians (even if they do not always so regard themselves), and people we have to persuade to at least edge themselves towards us if we want not only Kashmir but also Kashmiris.

That is why Dr. Manmohan Singh's interlocutors - Dileep Padgaonkar, Radha Kumar and MM Ansari - made a point of meeting them and soliciting their views. That there was so little follow up on the interlocutors' report is a tragedy, but one that will only be compounded if the government in Delhi tries to shut them out. Fortunately, J&K Chief Minister Mufti Mohammad Sayeed has a better grasp of ground realities in the Valley than his partners in government.

Of course, as a fellow Indian, it is my right (and duty) to meet the Hurriyat if I can. But do the Pakistanis have a locus standi? It was Atal Behari Vajpayee, none other, who answered that one when he allowed (encouraged?) Pervez Musharraf to meet with the Hurriyat at the time of the Agra summit. Until August last year, it had become standard practice for the Hurriyat to not only be invited to the Pakistan National Day reception, but also to interact with Pakistani dignitaries visiting India. Indeed, the government itself facilitated a visit to Pakistan by the Hurriyat leadership. It has done us no harm - and done the Pakistanis precious little good.

Stupidly, Modi made a proposed routine encounter between the Hurriyat and the Pakistan High Commissioner, on the eve of the Indian Foreign Secretary's visit to Pakistan, the casus belli to kill that initiative at resuming the Indo-Pak dialogue. He has since been impaled on the horns of the dilemma that he has needlessly created for himself - To Talk or NOT to Talk? That is the question!

The process of climbing off the high horse has begun. Not only has the new Foreign Secretary been to Islamabad, Delhi is now beginning to walk the talk on dialogue. Instead of sending so graceless a representative, Modi should have ensured that we were more decently represented.




Why I Attended Pak Day Reception

Just when I am trying to type ManiShankar and Pakistan the below threads came up . :D
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Mani Shankar Aiyar is just a barking d*g who has been thrown a few bones.

A filthy traitor like him and a man without any conscience has no place in India's elite circles where only the leaders for the country get together and discuss.

This man has no trace of Indian blood in him; for this is how he talks about those who killed our soldiers for so many years.

I can't believe this monster was a Union Minister at that point of time!!
 
:rofl: Judging by the comments here "his life must be very hard in India"

Best of luck Mr. Aiyar :tup:
 
No, Mani Shankar does not have a hard time, he lives in posh Lutyens Delhi, he is part of the cocktail party circuit, he travels the world and is invited regularly for TV debates, no I would not say he has a hard time!!!

Like many Indian loony left wing liberals he lives in an alternate universe, a fairyland supported by cherry picked facts. So like Fairyland, there is a fairy Godmother (Madam Soniaji), a Prince Charming (Prince Rahul), an evil Ogre (Subramanian Swami), the Evil King (PM)...etc etc. He never lets actual facts on the ground change his fairy tale, so no matter how many times Prince Charming has been exposed as a useless duffer Mani remains loyal. No matter how many improved laws and developmental projects the Evil King passes he continues to hate him.

Pakistan in all this is of course Sleeping Beauty, Prince Charming continues to kiss but she does not wake up, Mani knows that all he needs to do is keep kissing ;)

The rest of India, unfortunately for him does not believe the fairy story anymore which is why the egotistical little man lost his deposit and came in fourth in the election. Too bad for him....maybe Prince Charming will give him a part of his kingdom to rule when he gets back from his travels to distant lands to gain wisdom.
 
A LETTER TO MR. AIYAR
January 17, 2014 · by Bindu Krishnan · in Daily Ramblings, Disturbed Ramblings. ·

Dear Mr. Aiyar,

I don’t know if I can even address you, as I have not studied in St. Stephen’s, I was born in a small nursing home in Tirunelveli, my great grandmother sold Idlis to make ends meet, my father-in-law was just a teacher, my husband didn’t have shoes when he went for his first job interview, I had just two pairs of clothes while growing up, I studied upto my 2nd standard in a school that no longer exists, Krishnan’s school also is no longer in existence, my father wrote accounts in a temple so he could fund his education and eat one meal, both my father and father-in-law started working at the age of 14… My husband and I currently live in a suburb of Delhi called Gurgaon, I am very worried if you won’t let me be here because we don’t “fit”, we aren’t from Doon school, Tripos college besides being from St. Stephens, we also have not been in the Indian Foreign Service for 26 years and we certainly don’t count Nehruji’s grandson amongst our friends, I don’t think we can speak English as well as you do, we will have to manage in Tamil, the local language and your forgotten mother tongue, in your constituency, Mayiladuthurai.

Some things that we might have in common, either your friend’s family or your daughters would have used a L’Oreal shampoo, my husband Krishnan was part of the team that launched L’Oreal in India… Hmmm, I am racking my brains for some other connection. Krishnan started his career with Cipla, the Indian pharmaceutical company, setup on the behest of Gandhiji, the original Mahatma, not your friend’s father and you might have taken some medicine that they manufactured, but I doubt that. So we will continue to worry about not being in the same league.

Mr. Aiyar, did you know that our second prime minister Shri Lal Bahadur Shastri was almost adopted by a milkman ? I guess by your standards he should not have become the PM, but should have supplied milk perhaps to all the Congress party workers. Mr. Aiyar, am sure you have travelled to Uruguay as you are a well travelled person, so I would like you to read about their president on this link

World’s poorest president..

Shocking, how can a former revolutionary become the President of a country and on top of that remain poor?? Giving away 90% of his earnings – maybe if he was in India, you would have wanted him to grow the vegetables that Congress party workers could eat.

Mr. Modi unfortunately didn’t know that if he sold tea in his younger days, he should have just continued doing that and not ever dream of being the PM of this country. Forgive him, Mr. Aiyar, he didn’t study in Doon school, he didn’t serve in the IFS, so he doesn’t know the protocol – that only one family, that of your esteemed friend is deserving of being the PM of this country because they don’t sell tea in their growing up years, they study in Doon school, and they have the ability to reduce a Cambridge educated man into a puppet PM, they also marry into families that are mysterious, they have fat Swiss bank accounts, and well, they probably don’t drink tea even. Mr. Modi, did you get it ? Don’t worry Mr. Aiyar, someone will translate this blog into Hindi or I can even, as I speak and write Hindi very well, it is my first language. I wrote it in English so you would understand. Mr. Modi understanding or not doesn’t matter, he after all can just supply tea to Congress party workers.

Mr. Aiyar, a question for you, can a person like me, who didn’t sell tea, or milk or any other food product, dream of being the Prime Minister or President of India ? Now that I think of it, Dr. Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan, one of our well known Presidents, also is from the non-existent school that Krishnan studied in and so is President V V Giri. Guess, both were mistakes according to you.

Now Mr. Aiyar, if you still drink coffee that your forefathers drank at home, smell it, and find the first flight out to a country of your choice, because Mr. Modi will sell tea to the Congress party at a premium and from 7, Race Course Road as the PM of India soon, if not him, some other “chai wallah” or “jhadu wali” will be the prime minister, not the twit that your friend had for a son !! Just get out – we have had enough of your snobbery, and your corrupt party’s ways and really enough of your friend’s family. Maybe they can sell Cappuccino in Italy and try becoming the PM there and leave India to tea drinking and tea selling Indians.

With best regards
Bindu

Incase anyone was wondering which Mr. Aiyar I refer to in this letter, it’s Mani Shankar Aiyar.

New Delhi: In remarks that are likely to stoke a controversy, Congress leader Manishankar Aiyar today mockedNarendra Modi's Prime Ministerial ambitions and said a place will be identified for the Gujarat Chief Minister to distribute tea here.

"I promise you in 21st Century Narendra Modi will never become the Prime Minister of the country. ...But if he wants to distribute tea here, we will find a place for him," Aiyar said at the venue of the AICC meeting here.

Aiyar's remarks comes against the backdrop of Modi's reference to his own socio-economic background and humble origins at rallies while targeting the Gandhi-Nehru family.

Modi has said that people who are ruling at the Centre "don't know what poverty is all about, but I know it." The Gujarat Chief Minister has said that he was born in a poor family, and have seen and lived in poverty.

"I have sold tea at the railway station and in running trains ...those selling tea in trains know more about railways than the minister," Modi had said at a rally in Patna.

When he was six years old, Modi helped his father sell tea to passengers whenever an odd train came into the small
Vadnagar station in Gujarat, according to a book titled "The anatomy of Narendra Modi--the man and his politics" authored by Nilanjan Mukhopadhyay.

Earlier Samajwadi Party leader Naresh Agarwal had also made similar remarks against Modi, saying that a person who
used to sell tea cannot have a national perspective.

"Narendra Modi wants to become a PM. Someone rising from a tea shop can never have a national perspective. Like, if you make a 'sipahi' (constable) as 'kaptan' (Superintendent of Police), he can never have SP's approach but will have that of a constable," Agarwal had said in Hardoi in Uttar Pradesh.

Justifying the Paris terror attack, Congress leader Mani Shankar Aiyar told Times Now that such attacks were imminent as the "powerless" people were retaliating.

"We have to admit that ever since there has been a war on terror after 9/11, many innocent Muslims have lost their lives. This is what America did in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is therefore only to be expected that there will be a backlash Countries like America can't do what they want just because they are powerful. Why should just powerful countries act this way?Why should those who are less powerful not respond? Powerless people will find powerless means of responding, when there are drone attacks."


Congress leader Mani Shankar Aiyar.

According to this CNN-IBN report, Aiyar referred to the French ban on Muslim women wearing hijab and said that it was just a "backlash."

"I think that the way which war has been conducted by Americans, we knew since then there will be such a reaction, France now should think about how to stop such attack, " Aiyar was quoted by CNN-IBN as saying.

Even though media jumped at Congress for the irresponsible comment by a senior leader, Twitter waged its own war.
 
The reply I have received to a Question I posed in the just-concluded first half of Parliament's budget session makes the point succinctly: that when we engage diplomatically, cease-fire violations virtually cease, while when we disengage, cease-fire violations increase exponentially. The figures I have been officially supplied show that in the years 2004, '05 and '06, when Dr. Manmohan Singh's special envoy, Ambassador Satinder Lambah, was consistently on the back-channel with his Pakistani interlocutor, Ambassador Tariq Aziz, cease-fire violations were just 1, 6 and 3 respectively. As, however, in 2007, when the dialogue seized up and eventually broke down, ceasefire violations rose to 21, shot up to 80, then 93 in 2012, and peaked in 2013 at 199. 2014 recorded a small decline to 153. There are approximately 150-200 times more violations when war clouds are gathering than when peace is on the horizon.

Does that not show that we have got cause and effect wrong when we insist that cease-fire violations must end for talks to begin? Past experience shows that the best way to end cease-fire violations is for us to talk to each other, rather than at each other.


Aiyar suggesting that India give in to Pakistani blackmail of holding talks to prevent ceasefire violations.

What else to expect from a ball-less sycophant of Gandhi family ?

India should hold talks on its own terms, the status quo is strengthening India's position and the power gap is only growing.
 
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Congi dog.
 
sanghi psychos jumping as usual... mani's "deep love" for pakistan is always better than the sanghi deep love for being the coolie of usa governments, and love for capitalism, dogs, religious stupidity, cultural insanity.
 
No, Mani Shankar does not have a hard time, he lives in posh Lutyens Delhi, he is part of the cocktail party circuit, he travels the world and is invited regularly for TV debates, no I would not say he has a hard time!!!

Like many Indian loony left wing liberals he lives in an alternate universe, a fairyland supported by cherry picked facts. So like Fairyland, there is a fairy Godmother (Madam Soniaji), a Prince Charming (Prince Rahul), an evil Ogre (Subramanian Swami), the Evil King (PM)...etc etc. He never lets actual facts on the ground change his fairy tale, so no matter how many times Prince Charming has been exposed as a useless duffer Mani remains loyal. No matter how many improved laws and developmental projects the Evil King passes he continues to hate him.

Pakistan in all this is of course Sleeping Beauty, Prince Charming continues to kiss but she does not wake up, Mani knows that all he needs to do is keep kissing ;)

The rest of India, unfortunately for him does not believe the fairy story anymore which is why the egotistical little man lost his deposit and came in fourth in the election. Too bad for him....maybe Prince Charming will give him a part of his kingdom to rule when he gets back from his travels to distant lands to gain wisdom.
lolz... that was seriously funny..although I hate sanghis..

sanghi psychos jumping as usual... mani's "deep love" for pakistan is always better than the sanghi deep love for being the coolie of usa governments, and love for capitalism, dogs, religious stupidity, cultural insanity.
did you just sneak in dogs in the list... and think we wont notice.. wtf :o:
@Armstrong dekh kya ho raha hai..
 
did you just sneak in dogs in the list... and think we wont notice.. wtf :o:
@Armstrong dekh kya ho raha hai..

oh, no... why did you call him... now he will call sven and they both will start posting pics of those unspeakable filths.
 
While the man in question has seen the real life and based his write up on his personal experience, most Indians here obviously have no clue, and hence need to resort to knee-jerk reactions.

Tells you very well, what is wrong wit the world today.
 
did you just sneak in dogs in the list... and think we wont notice.. wtf :o:
@Armstrong dekh kya ho raha hai..

I have enormous respect for Mani Shankar Aiyar; from what I've heard him say or read what hes written hes a staunch Indian Nationalist who believes in India - what it stands for and what course of action the Congress party took in the years leading up to '47. But at the same time he doesn't let his Nationalism be defined in such a parochial manner that it revolves around 'Hating Pakistan'. Numerous times I've heard him reiterate India's point of view but be open to listening to ours with patience and without the self-righteous smugness that most jingoists - on both sides - display.

He neither rationalizes India's mistakes nor demonizes Pakistan because of our mistakes. He doesn't take out a weighing scale whenever an Indo-Pak discussion is touched upon to weigh the mistakes of each other to decide whether India has one up on Pakistan or not.

In short - Hes the kind of South Asian who would make this region a better place. If there more Pakistanis and Indians like him our issues would've been resolved long ago and you might be having lunch in Lahore while I could be having dinner in Srinagar !

@scorpionx - What is your view about the man ? :unsure:
 
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I have enormous respect for Mani Shankar Aiyar; from what I've heard him say or read what hes written hes a staunch Indian Nationalist who believes in India - what it stands for and what course of action the Congress party took in the years leading up to '47. But at the same time he doesn't let his Nationalism be defined in such a parochial manner that it revolves around 'Hating Pakistan'. Numerous times I've heard him reiterate India's point of view but be open to listening to ours with patience and without the self-righteous smugness that most jingoists - on both sides - display.

He neither rationalizes India's mistakes nor demonizes Pakistan because of our mistakes. He doesn't take out a weighing scale whenever an Indo-Pak discussion is touched upon to weigh the mistakes of each other to decide whether India has one up on Pakistan or not.

In short - Hes the kind of South Asian who would make this region a better place. If there more Pakistanis and Indians like him our issues would've been resolved long ago and you might be having lunch in Lahore while I could be having dinner in Srinagar !
I wanted you to defend dogs... the four legged ones... :pop:
 
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