Muslims safer in India than anywhere else in world: Yogi Adityanath

[The_Showstopper]

Maybe you haven't experienced enough to know the truth. Why do you think the West is more radicalised & a recruitment haven for the baddies of Middle east? & India being one of the most populous Muslim country...but still the least radicalised? 'cause you live in a country which gives enough space for everyone to live peacefully. Start appreciating that instead of picking holes in it.

That's your POV, not necessarily a fact.... There are many reasons for radicalization... Most of those radicals are from middle east which is a boiling pot ravaged by war brought on them by the West(Atleast that is what they believe). India also suffered radicalization in 90's and early part of 21st century for obvious reasons which isn't the case now. Start accepting facts, I don't have to run away from facts just to prove that I am a patriot. I appreciate things when they are due and a Non-Resident Emigrant doesn't have to teach me that....

 

[JanjaWeed]

That's your POV, not necessarily a fact.... There are many reasons for radicalization... Most of those radicals are from middle east which is a boiling pot ravaged by war brought on them by the West(Atleast that is what they believe). India also suffered radicalization in 90's and early part of 21st century for obvious reasons which isn't the case now. Start accepting facts, I don't have to run away from facts just to prove that I am a patriot. I appreciate things when they are due and a Non-Resident Emigrant doesn't have to teach me that....

It's a fact.. Prove me otherwise that India is much more radicalised than the west & recruitment safe haven compared to the west. Let me knock some sense into your peabrain. It's not just the people from Middle East who are the radicalised lot in the West. You have folks from South Asia & North Africa too who get their head poisoned & pack their bags to the Middle East to fight the west. What excuse do you have for them?
I'm not saying you are running away from facts...but standstill with your head burried deep & refusing to see the light where you live.

 

[The_Showstopper]

The tolerance is higher because here they represent true minority, lesser than 1% in most of the nations. The lack the force to rise against the secular law of the land and try to implement their own laws of living. They don't live in 'ghetto' environment as they do in India, in most cases.

So where was the tolerance when Sikhs who form a "true minority" were butchered in India...? Muslims are into ghetto as they feel secure, something which even hindus do and I've seen many such cases.

Wait till the day their percentage crosses 15% in US, starts to form ghetto in suburb NYC or Boston, then we shall speak about the tolerance of the western civilization.

Please wait and watch....

 

[Screambowl]

So where was the tolerance when Sikhs who form a "true minority" were butchered in India...? Muslims are into ghetto as they feel secure, something which even hindus do and I've seen many such cases.


Please wait and watch....

You do not know the whole story buddy.

Bhindarwala was a congress representative in Punjab. Who was ignored by Indira gandhi during elections because of political decisions. He took the path of militancy very late, after several talks with the congress, and it was congress only who supported him, when congress failed to solve their internal rivalry.

The problem got worse when Bhinderwla ordered to butcher Hindus in a bus by sorting them out from sikhs.

 

[The_Showstopper]

It's a fact.. Prove me otherwise that India is much more radicalised than the west & recruitment safe haven compared to the west.

When India had its share of radicalization(90's & 21st century beginning), you've seen many bombs going off and was a recruitment haven for anti-India forces which thankfully is not the case now but compare that to the ever lasting war in middle east, you get a continuous breed of radicals ready to blow themselves up...

Let me knock some sense into your peabrain.

The next time you make a personal attack, armchair f@cktard like you will be in my ignore list....

It's not just the people from Middle East who are the radicalised lot in the West. You have folks from South Asia & North Africa too who get their head poisoned & pack their bags to the Middle East to fight the west. What excuse do you have for them?

South Asian(Pakistanis & Afghans) have American occupation and North Africans get to see regular interference by the West in their countries so it is obvious that they get radicalized against them. But can you see the Indian muslims staying in west getting radicalized? Can we get a reason for that?

I'm not saying you are running away from facts...but standstill with your head burried deep & refusing to see the light where you live.

OK be happy with your "assessment"

You do not know the whole story buddy.

Bhindarwala was a congress representative in Punjab. Who was ignored by Indira gandhi during elections because of political decisions. He took the path of militancy very late, after several talks with the congress, and it was congress only who supported him, when congress failed to solve their internal rivalry.

The problem got worse when Bhinderwla ordered to butcher Hindus in a bus by sorting them out from sikhs.

Look mate, I am not looking at the reasons. I just pointed this out because certain posters over here claim that minorities in India are much safer than in the rest of the world.

 

[Screambowl]

Look mate, I am not looking at the reasons. I just pointed this out because certain posters over here claim that minorities in India are much safer than in the rest of the world.

They are safe because they live as a minority.

No minority dares to go against the majority in other countries. Try it, there will be heavy protests.
In India, the scenario is very different. Switzerland has banned Mazjid towers, France has banned Hijab. Try doing it in India, there will be communal riots. Why not in France or Switzerland, fear of deportation? Halal meat is banned in Sweden or Holland one of these, no protests and no uproar. Do it in India , and see what happens.


So there is a difference in India and other countries, where Minority lives like Minority.

 

[The_Showstopper]

They are safe because they live as a minority.

No minority dares to go against the majority in other countries. Try it, there will be heavy protests.
In India, the scenario is very different. Switzerland has banned Mazjid towers, France has banned Hijab. Try doing it in India, there will be communal riots. Why not in France or Switzerland, fear of deportation? Halal meat is banned in Sweden or Holland one of these, no protests and no uproar. Do it in India , and see what happens.


So there is a difference in India and other countries, where Minority lives like Minority.

Firstly muslims aren't new to India, they are native to this country which isn't the case with those western countries. Muslims of Switzerland or for that matter France don't share a long history like muslims in India do. Muslims of these countries have foreign ethnicity whereas Indian muslims and Hindus share common ancestry. So how do you intend to impose these restrictions on your native populace? For Native French/Swiss, muslims are outsiders from different country. Muslims are minority in numbers but they are as much Indians as Hindus are, they own this land as much as hindus do....

 

[Screambowl]

Firstly muslims aren't new to India, they are native to this country and share a long history which isn't the case with those western countries. Muslims of Switzerland or for that matter France don't share a long history like muslims in India do. Muslims of these countries have foreign ethnicity whereas Indian muslims and Hindus share common ancestry. So how do you intend to impose these restrictions on your native populace? For Native French/Swiss, muslims are outsiders from different country. Muslims are minority in numbers but they are as much Indians as Hindus are, they own this land as much as hindus do....

It is not just about Muslims, it is about every minority living abroad. They behave like a minority only. And never try to go against the majority, even in the court of Law.

Coming to Muslims, well Europe has much older and strong connections with the Muslims than Hindus.

 

[The_Showstopper]

It is not just about Muslims, it is about every minority living abroad. They behave like a minority only. And never try to go against the majority, even in the court of Law.

Living abroad!!! That answers your point. Are muslims of India from Abroad? No they are not, they are one among other Indian Hindus. Everyone including Hindus/muslims/Sikhs have to live by the European rules if they are to live in there.... So how do you compare that scenario with India.

Coming to Muslims, well Europe has much older and strong connections with the Muslims than Hindus.

Not the Northern Europe, only the South which includes Turkey. They fought wars but almost all muslims were exclusively Arabs/North Africans/Central Asians. Can you show me if muslims existed in Nordic, Germanic or other European states barring Turkey before 1000-1200 years. Hindus and muslims as I said earlier share same ancestry, Can we say the same about Europeans?

 

[haviZsultan]

This is not a fact. India covers up much of its atrocities which are conducted against muslims. I do not think muslims are safe in their own hometowns, like Lucknow Hyderabad and other places. The Gujarat and Mumbai massacres prove beyond doubt that the muslims, though usually untroubled can be attacked at any time and be slaughtered.

Then there is POTA which allows Indian agencies and police to arrest any muslim. In fact it has become a tool in the hands of police and they go around arresting everyone and anyone.

But still it is closer to the truth than saying muslims have full rights in India. Generally some find themselves secure.

 

[Screambowl]

Living abroad!!! That answers my question. Are muslims of India from Abroad? No they are not, they are one among other Indian Hindus. Everyone including Hindus/muslims/Sikhs have to live by the European rules if they are to live in there.... So how do you compare that scenario with India.

Yes, why not. After few decades, their grand children will be the native of that country. The point is, if you are a religious minority, you are watched, whether you are native or not.

Not the Northern Europe, only the South which includes Turkey. They fought wars but almost all muslims were exclusively Arabs/North Africans. Can you show me if muslims existed in Nordic, Germanic or other European states barring Turkey before 1000-1200 years. Hindus and muslims as I said earlier share same ancestry, Can we say the same about Europeans?

Northern Europe is Scandinavia and England. We are in the west and italy, greece, spain is the south. Turkey is the east.

The syeds in Muslim community do not have the same ancestor , so does not Mirzas.. Only Sheikhs are the converted ones in India.

The point is not about whose ancestors whose blood lineage. The point is about religious Minority. Even Jews have similar ancestry with the Muslims.

 

[LaBong]

The tolerance is higher because here they represent true minority, lesser than 1% in most of the nations. The lack the force to rise against the secular law of the land and try to implement their own laws of living. They don't live in 'ghetto' environment as they do in India, in most cases.

Wait till the day their percentage crosses 15% in US, starts to form ghetto in suburb NYC or Boston, then we shall speak about the tolerance of the western civilization.

But would you say majority in USA are intolerant towards Blacks? Do you see intolerance towards blacks or latinos because of Harlem or Bronx?

 

[The_Showstopper]

Yes, why not. After few decades, their grand children will be the native of that country. The point is, if you are a religious minority, you are watched, whether you are native or not.

We aren't speaking of few decades but many centuries. They will be native but their ancestry would still be Non-European. Look this is getting complicated. How can compare you India's majority-minority relationship with West's without considering other factors?

The syeds in Muslim community do not have the same ancestor , so does not Mirzas.. Only Sheikhs are the converted ones in India.

The point is not about whose ancestors whose blood lineage. The point is about religious Minority. Even Jews have similar ancestry with the Muslims.

So who are Syeds and Mirzas? Who are their ancestors? Now you tell me how do you compare religion with ethnicity/ancestry? You say Jews have similar ancestry with muslims. Do South Indian muslims share the same ancestry with Arab Jews?

 

[LaBong]

The syeds in Muslim community do not have the same ancestor , so does not Mirzas.. Only Sheikhs are the converted ones in India.

That's not true. There are many who just assumed the Syed title and even if for the authentic ones, there is no Arab trace left after so many generations of mixing.

 

[Screambowl]

That's not true. There are many who just assumed the Syed title and even if for the authentic ones, there is no Arab trace left after so many generations of mixing.

I am aware of that. But I am telling that sayed have arabic lineage, and so mirzas. Who actually have. But this is not about lineage. It is simply about religious minority. Native or non native.

We aren't speaking of few decades but many centuries. They will be native but their ancestry would still be Non-European. Look this is getting complicated. How can compare you India's majority-minority relationship with West's without considering other factors?


So who are Syeds and Mirzas? Who are their ancestors? Now you tell me how do you compare religion with ethnicity/ancestry? You say Jews have similar ancestry with muslims. Do South Indian muslims share the same ancestry with Arab Jews?

The point is not about syeds, mirzas, or what ever the lineage or ethnicity is. ( I posted about syeds and Mirzas just to make it clear that there are people who are Muslims and do not share ancestry in India.) The point is about religious Minority.
The west does not allow people to convert into Islam because the missionaries have more influence. If you are christian and not a Muslim, your situation will be definitely different. It is a known fact. Only Ignored by extra liberal and unaware people in India

Why do Jews are still considered even after centuries infidel by the Muslims, and if Jews are in Minority in an Islamic state, what would be their situation, irrespective of being native or not.