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Move to fast-track two submarine projects gathers steam
NEW DELHI: There is finally some urgency being shown to rescue India's ageing and depleting underwater combat arm. The approval for two long-pending projects, one for construction of six advanced diesel-electric submarines and the other for six nuclear-powered ones, is well on the cards now.

Sources said the finance ministry has asked the defence ministry to "club" the separate projects to "draft a single note" for the requisite nod from Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS). "The two projects have been languishing for long in the files being exchanged between the two ministries. The government seems serious about fast-track approvals this time," said a source.

The approvals, when they come, will not be a day too soon since India is down to just 13 old diesel-electric submarines, barely half of which are operational at any given time, and a single nuclear-propelled submarine INS Chakra on lease from Russia without any long-range missiles.

It takes at least seven to eight years for the first submarine to roll out once its construction project actually gets underway. The two projects will together entail a cost of well over Rs 1 lakh crore spread over 10-15 years.

'Project-75India' for the six conventional submarines, armed with both land-attack missiles and air-independent propulsion (AIP) for greater underwater endurance, was granted "acceptance of necessity'' in November 2007, as was reported earlier by TOI.

But the global tender to select the foreign collaborator for it is yet to be even issued. As per the existing plan, the first two submarines will be imported to save time, while three will be constructed at Mazagon Docks (Mumbai), and the sixth at Hindustan Shipyard (Visakhapatnam).

The project to build the six SSNs (nuclear-powered attack submarines, usually without nuclear-tipped missiles), in turn, is to be undertaken at the secretive ship-building centre (SBC) at Vizag. India's first three SSBNs (nuclear-powered submarines with nuclear ballistic missiles) are already being built at the SBC to complete the country's nuclear weapons triad - the capability to fire nukes from land, air and underwater. The expertise gained in the construction of the SSBNs will help the SSN project, said sources.

The first SSBN, the 6,000-tonne INS Arihant, is slated to go for extensive sea trials soon after its miniature 83 mw pressurized light-water reactor, which went "critical" in August last year, attains "full power" in another month or so. The second, INS Aridhaman, is also to be "launched into water" soon with its hull and basic structure ready.

China, incidentally, has five nuclear and 51 conventional submarines. It is poised to induct up to five JIN-class SSBNs, with their new 7,400-km range JL-2 missiles, over the next few years.

India, however, has miserably failed in this arena. It was in 1999 that the CCS had approved a 30-year submarine-building plan, which envisaged induction of 12 new submarines by 2012, followed by another dozen by 2030.

But 15 years later, not a single new submarine has been inducted because of politico-bureaucratic apathy. The first programme, Project-75, was finalized only in 2005 to build six French Scorpene submarines at MDL. It's already running over four years behind schedule, with the first Scorpene now slated for delivery by November 2016 and the other five rolling out thereafter every 8-10 months. Moreover, the Rs 1,800 crore contract to buy 98 heavy-weight torpedoes to arm the submarines is also yet to be inked.
Move to fast-track two submarine projects gathers steam - The Times of India

Well Rs 50000 Crores for 6 SSN seems acceptable considering the Arihant class cost 970 Million USD each

But 50000 Crore for 6 SSK seems way too expensive
 
The project to build the six SSNs (nuclear-powered attack submarines, usually without nuclear-tipped missiles), in turn, is to be undertaken at the secretive ship-building centre (SBC) at Vizag.
:o::o: Never heard of it before.
 
:o::o: Never heard of it before.
I have been hearing of this project since 2011
But funding requirements for this have been declared today
Maybe the design phase has finally been completed and we could see the funds being released this year for the start of construction
 
For Fast track why not mod increase the number 6 to 9 of Scorpene submarine
 
Nepra for 1 bn Dollar is very cheap. But at-least 5.
 
We better Buy 2-3 more scorpene off the shelves from france we build the rest
 
I have been hearing of this project since 2011
But funding requirements for this have been declared today
Maybe the design phase has finally been completed and we could see the funds being released this year for the start of construction
can you post any sources from the past?
 
Finally there is some movement. The CBGs, SSBNs etc. are sitting ducks in a pitched battle unless actively supported
by SSNs. Now, about the design of the SSN - three possible considerations are being heard of >>

1) Design based on French DCNS Barracuda-class SSN concept.
2) Russian offer for largely downsized (to fit the requirements) Akula-type design
3) Slightly downsized version of Arihant design, Russians are believed to have offered to help in the design process.

For me, either 1 or 3 appear the best bets...1 if you want ultra-modern innate design capabilities, or 3 if you want
maximum commonality and heavy cost-saving.
 
FINALLY something on the submarine division. It is such a painful thing to see our subs sink and then that loser Anthony actually sitting mum in the parliament.
 
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FINALLY something on the submarine division. It is such a painful thing to see our subs sink and then that loser Anthony actually sitting mum in the parliament.

AKA should be tried in court for criminal neglect & incompetence in matters regarding national security.
 
Modi can fast track it all he wants. Its just publicity.

Its not happening. There is severe depletion of treasury. The Govt has no money. They have to bring down the fiscal deficit first. I expect that this will not be signed before 3 years at the very least - when the fiscal deficit is below 3% and the Govt has money to spend.
 
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Modi can fast track it all he wants. Its just publicity.

Its not happening. There is severe depletion of treasury. The Govt has no money. They have to bring down the fiscal deficit first. I expect that this will not be signed before 3 years - when the fiscal deficit is 3% and the Govt has money to spend.

Indeed, unless someone is going to give them to us in dahej.:p:

Scrap the damn 75i project, get the folks to rev up SSN version of the Arihant.
 
Indeed, unless someone is going to give them to us in dahej.:p:

Scrap the damn 75i project, get the folks to rev up SSN version of the Arihant.
Actually, I dont agree that we need a lot of SSN's.

The new diesel-electric subs with AIP are extremely good. They are far more silent than SSN's and with their range has vastly improved. Pretty good for independent action groups.

SSN's are today just needed to accompany a CBG or for extremely long distance patrols.
I'd argue we dont need more than 6-8 SSN's.
 
Actually, I dont agree that we need a lot of SSN's.

The new diesel-electric subs with AIP are extremely good. They are far more silent than SSN's and with their range has vastly improved. Pretty good for independent action groups.

SSN's are today just needed to accompany a CBG or for extremely long distance patrols.
I'd argue we dont need more than 6-8 SSN's.

Vastly improved range my friend still does not equate to the footprint of a SSN, there is a reason that most countries which can graduate to SSNs do so, after a point absolute acoustic stealth is over taken by sheer persistence on station and the ability to bring to bear more munition than most conventional subs will carry on to a target. At the end of the day nothing stalks the blue better than a SSN, even with AIP fitment a conventional sub just does not have the carrying capacity for stores and logistics to dominate a body of water.

But, yes, no more than 6-9 SSNs are required atm, but then neither are that many conventional subs once a goodly number (4-5) SSNs come online, littoral protection and brown water ops can be handled by fewer conventional subs, 3 more scorpenes after the first 6 should do it, granted we settle upon an AIP module for them.
 
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