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Asia's balance of power
China’s military rise


There are ways to reduce the threat to stability that an emerging superpower poses

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NO MATTER how often China has emphasised the idea of a peaceful rise, the pace and nature of its military modernisation inevitably cause alarm. As America and the big European powers reduce their defence spending, China looks likely to maintain the past decade’s increases of about 12% a year. Even though its defence budget is less than a quarter the size of America’s today, China’s generals are ambitious. The country is on course to become the world’s largest military spender in just 20 years or so.

Much of its effort is aimed at deterring America from intervening in a future crisis over Taiwan. China is investing heavily in “asymmetric capabilities” designed to blunt America’s once-overwhelming capacity to project power in the region. This “anti-access/area denial” approach includes thousands of accurate land-based ballistic and cruise missiles, modern jets with anti-ship missiles, a fleet of submarines (both conventionally and nuclear-powered), long-range radars and surveillance satellites, and cyber and space weapons intended to “blind” American forces. Most talked about is a new ballistic missile said to be able to put a manoeuvrable warhead onto the deck of an aircraft-carrier 2,700km (1,700 miles) out at sea.

China says all this is defensive, but its tactical doctrines emphasise striking first if it must. Accordingly, China aims to be able to launch disabling attacks on American bases in the western Pacific and push America’s carrier groups beyond what it calls the “first island chain”, sealing off the Yellow Sea, South China Sea and East China Sea inside an arc running from the Aleutians in the north to Borneo in the south. Were Taiwan to attempt formal secession from the mainland, China could launch a series of pre-emptive strikes to delay American intervention and raise its cost prohibitively.

This has already had an effect on China’s neighbours, who fear that it will draw them into its sphere of influence. Japan, South Korea, India and even Australia are quietly spending more on defence, especially on their navies. Barack Obama’s new “pivot” towards Asia includes a clear signal that America will still guarantee its allies’ security. This week a contingent of 200 US marines arrived in Darwin, while India took formal charge of a nuclear submarine, leased from Russia.

En garde

The prospect of an Asian arms race is genuinely frightening, but prudent concern about China’s build-up must not lapse into hysteria. For the moment at least, China is far less formidable than hawks on both sides claim. Its armed forces have had no real combat experience for more than 30 years, whereas America’s have been fighting, and learning, constantly. The capacity of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) for complex joint operations in a hostile environment is untested. China’s formidable missile and submarine forces would pose a threat to American carrier groups near its coast, but not farther out to sea for some time at least. Blue-water operations for China’s navy are limited to anti-piracy patrolling in the Indian Ocean and the rescue of Chinese workers from war-torn Libya. Two or three small aircraft-carriers may soon be deployed, but learning to use them will take many years. Nobody knows if the “carrier-killer” missile can be made to work.

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As for China’s longer-term intentions, the West should acknowledge that it is hardly unnatural for a rising power to aspire to have armed forces that reflect its growing economic clout. China consistently devotes a bit over 2% of GDP to defence—about the same as Britain and France and half of what America spends. That share may fall if Chinese growth slows or the government faces demands for more social spending. China might well use force to stop Taiwan from formally seceding. Yet, apart from claims over the virtually uninhabited Spratly and Paracel Islands, China is not expansionist: it already has its empire. Its policy of non-interference in the affairs of other states constrains what it can do itself.

The trouble is that China’s intentions are so unpredictable. On the one hand China is increasingly willing to engage with global institutions. Unlike the old Soviet Union, it has a stake in the liberal world economic order, and no interest in exporting a competing ideology. The Communist Party’s legitimacy depends on being able to honour its promise of prosperity. A cold war with the West would undermine that. On the other hand, China engages with the rest of the world on its own terms, suspicious of institutions it believes are run to serve Western interests. And its assertiveness, particularly in maritime territorial disputes, has grown with its might. The dangers of military miscalculation are too high for comfort.

How to avoid accidents

It is in China’s interests to build confidence with its neighbours, reduce mutual strategic distrust with America and demonstrate its willingness to abide by global norms. A good start would be to submit territorial disputes over islands in the East and South China Seas to international arbitration. Another step would be to strengthen promising regional bodies such as the East Asian Summit and ASEAN Plus Three. Above all, Chinese generals should talk far more with American ones. At present, despite much Pentagon prompting, contacts between the two armed forces are limited, tightly controlled by the PLA and ritually frozen by politicians whenever they want to “punish” America—usually because of a tiff over Taiwan.

America’s response should mix military strength with diplomatic subtlety. It must retain the ability to project force in Asia: to do otherwise would feed Chinese hawks’ belief that America is a declining power which can be shouldered aside. But it can do more to counter China’s paranoia. To his credit, Mr Obama has sought to lower tensions over Taiwan and made it clear that he does not want to contain China (far less encircle it as Chinese nationalists fear). America must resist the temptation to make every security issue a test of China’s good faith. There are bound to be disagreements between the superpowers; and if China cannot pursue its own interests within the liberal world order, it will become more awkward and potentially belligerent. That is when things could get nasty.
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Asia's balance of power: China
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How will china's foreign policy evolve in coming years?
Will it change its policy of non-military alliance?
Will it try to project its growing power to distant parts of the world(through military bases)? or just focus on East Asia.
Isn't China already "contained" by the US through Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, India and Taiwan?
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More involvement of China in the ME is certainly welcome, but its ability to project power across the world is too weak for now to counter US/Israel influence.
 
China's defense budget of 1.28% of her GDP is considered low at this stage of her economic developments. She needs a strong military just to protect her commercial interests from this world full of vultures.

One also wonder what's the intention of Britain, who began misleading propaganda against China's benign military spending with The Economists ( quite a few anti China articles recently) and Reuters( the article on China defense budget 2012 didn't remove for months). Did Obama bought a new puppy?
 
Asia's balance of power
China’s military rise


There are ways to reduce the threat to stability that an emerging superpower poses

20120407_LDP001.jpg


NO MATTER how often China has emphasised the idea of a peaceful rise, the pace and nature of its military modernisation inevitably cause alarm. As America and the big European powers reduce their defence spending, China looks likely to maintain the past decade’s increases of about 12% a year. Even though its defence budget is less than a quarter the size of America’s today, China’s generals are ambitious. The country is on course to become the world’s largest military spender in just 20 years or so.

Much of its effort is aimed at deterring America from intervening in a future crisis over Taiwan. China is investing heavily in “asymmetric capabilities” designed to blunt America’s once-overwhelming capacity to project power in the region. This “anti-access/area denial” approach includes thousands of accurate land-based ballistic and cruise missiles, modern jets with anti-ship missiles, a fleet of submarines (both conventionally and nuclear-powered), long-range radars and surveillance satellites, and cyber and space weapons intended to “blind” American forces. Most talked about is a new ballistic missile said to be able to put a manoeuvrable warhead onto the deck of an aircraft-carrier 2,700km (1,700 miles) out at sea.

China says all this is defensive, but its tactical doctrines emphasise striking first if it must. Accordingly, China aims to be able to launch disabling attacks on American bases in the western Pacific and push America’s carrier groups beyond what it calls the “first island chain”, sealing off the Yellow Sea, South China Sea and East China Sea inside an arc running from the Aleutians in the north to Borneo in the south. Were Taiwan to attempt formal secession from the mainland, China could launch a series of pre-emptive strikes to delay American intervention and raise its cost prohibitively.

This has already had an effect on China’s neighbours, who fear that it will draw them into its sphere of influence. Japan, South Korea, India and even Australia are quietly spending more on defence, especially on their navies. Barack Obama’s new “pivot” towards Asia includes a clear signal that America will still guarantee its allies’ security. This week a contingent of 200 US marines arrived in Darwin, while India took formal charge of a nuclear submarine, leased from Russia.

En garde

The prospect of an Asian arms race is genuinely frightening, but prudent concern about China’s build-up must not lapse into hysteria. For the moment at least, China is far less formidable than hawks on both sides claim. Its armed forces have had no real combat experience for more than 30 years, whereas America’s have been fighting, and learning, constantly. The capacity of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) for complex joint operations in a hostile environment is untested. China’s formidable missile and submarine forces would pose a threat to American carrier groups near its coast, but not farther out to sea for some time at least. Blue-water operations for China’s navy are limited to anti-piracy patrolling in the Indian Ocean and the rescue of Chinese workers from war-torn Libya. Two or three small aircraft-carriers may soon be deployed, but learning to use them will take many years. Nobody knows if the “carrier-killer” missile can be made to work.

20120407_LDM938.png


As for China’s longer-term intentions, the West should acknowledge that it is hardly unnatural for a rising power to aspire to have armed forces that reflect its growing economic clout. China consistently devotes a bit over 2% of GDP to defence—about the same as Britain and France and half of what America spends. That share may fall if Chinese growth slows or the government faces demands for more social spending. China might well use force to stop Taiwan from formally seceding. Yet, apart from claims over the virtually uninhabited Spratly and Paracel Islands, China is not expansionist: it already has its empire. Its policy of non-interference in the affairs of other states constrains what it can do itself.

The trouble is that China’s intentions are so unpredictable. On the one hand China is increasingly willing to engage with global institutions. Unlike the old Soviet Union, it has a stake in the liberal world economic order, and no interest in exporting a competing ideology. The Communist Party’s legitimacy depends on being able to honour its promise of prosperity. A cold war with the West would undermine that. On the other hand, China engages with the rest of the world on its own terms, suspicious of institutions it believes are run to serve Western interests. And its assertiveness, particularly in maritime territorial disputes, has grown with its might. The dangers of military miscalculation are too high for comfort.

How to avoid accidents

It is in China’s interests to build confidence with its neighbours, reduce mutual strategic distrust with America and demonstrate its willingness to abide by global norms. A good start would be to submit territorial disputes over islands in the East and South China Seas to international arbitration. Another step would be to strengthen promising regional bodies such as the East Asian Summit and ASEAN Plus Three. Above all, Chinese generals should talk far more with American ones. At present, despite much Pentagon prompting, contacts between the two armed forces are limited, tightly controlled by the PLA and ritually frozen by politicians whenever they want to “punish” America—usually because of a tiff over Taiwan.

America’s response should mix military strength with diplomatic subtlety. It must retain the ability to project force in Asia: to do otherwise would feed Chinese hawks’ belief that America is a declining power which can be shouldered aside. But it can do more to counter China’s paranoia. To his credit, Mr Obama has sought to lower tensions over Taiwan and made it clear that he does not want to contain China (far less encircle it as Chinese nationalists fear). America must resist the temptation to make every security issue a test of China’s good faith. There are bound to be disagreements between the superpowers; and if China cannot pursue its own interests within the liberal world order, it will become more awkward and potentially belligerent. That is when things could get nasty.
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Asia's balance of power: China
...............................................

How will china's foreign policy evolve in coming years?
Will it change its policy of non-military alliance?
Will it try to project its growing power to distant parts of the world(through military bases)? or just focus on East Asia.
Isn't China already "contained" by the US through Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, India and Taiwan?
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More involvement of China in the ME is certainly welcome, but its inability to project power across the world is too weak for now to counter US/Israel influence.

Xi Jinping is coming in power drastic.
could by.
no military bases.
yes east asia, pacific, africa.
nope not contained.

I have to disagree staying out of the Middle East is something that is needed and other then trade and oil china will stay completely out of the middle east.
 
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A Chinese Sub

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A Korean Sub

Do you notice something different about them?

A delegate of Japanese Maritime SDF officers were once given a tour of a Chinese destroyer as a part of military exchange. The officer who toured the Chinese destroyer reported that that warship was built by people who never fought a naval war before, for it had so many design errors and "no no"s with them.
 
20120407_LDP001.jpg

A Chinese Sub

South-Korean-Submarines.jpg

081021_p4_top.jpg

A Korean Sub

Do you notice something different about them?


Yea, the Chinese sub look all business and scary while the Korean one is for shows. I can here the music. When do the cheerleaders come out?
 
Xi Jinping is coming in power drastic.
could by.
no military bases.
yes east asia, pacific, africa.
nope not contained.

I have to disagree staying out of the Middle East is something that is needed and other then trade and oil china will stay completely out of the middle east.


China should have at least some kind of secured refueling facilities in Xishan and a bigger island Spratly group. Hambantola in Sri Lanka is a perfect locale for her Naval and merchant ships to use as a pit stop if she can gain access. Seychelles is also nice.
 
China's defense budget of 1.28% of her GDP is considered low at this stage of her economic developments. She needs a strong military just to protect her commercial interests from this world full of vultures.

One also wonder what's the intention of Britain, who began misleading propaganda against China's benign military spending with The Economists ( quite a few anti China articles recently) and Reuters( the article on China defense budget 2012 didn't remove for months). Did Obama bought a new puppy?
If its defence budget is 1.28% then its very low indeed, but I read somewhare that China doesn't declare its real defence budget and infact its much higher than that.
In any case, I think China needs to spend a huge amount on social programs to maintain order and thats why it can't afford high percentage for defence.
 
I have to disagree staying out of the Middle East is something that is needed and other then trade and oil china will stay completely out of the middle east.

I read that China soon will be the world's largest consumer of oil. For economic stability to continue, there needs to be a garanteed supply of oil, with the US having military bases in the Arabian gulf(40% world oil supply), can China afford to stay away? Maybe untill she decides to fight the US over Taiwan.
 
If its defence budget is 1.28% then its very low indeed, but I read somewhare that China doesn't declare its real defence budget and infact its much higher than that.
In any case, I think China needs to spend a huge amount on social programs to maintain order and thats why it can't afford high percentage for defence.

That's about right from my friends whose parents are in Chinese missle program. During 80s and 90s the defense budget was so low that armies had to do business to get money. A lot of talents left defense industry. I was told by my friend's father that after Jiang is in power, money started to pour in and huge progress was made since then to modernize.

Also, a lot of the defense budget is spent on personels as you know China has the largest army. I feel China should cut the land army in half, it is really unlikely any country will invade China from land.

In general I am not against spending money on defense as long as it is not spent to purchase foreign weapons unecessarily. Of couse social programs should not suffer from the spending.

Western articles tend to send the message that "China is responsible for potential arm race". But they usually don't question why US spend more than the rest top 9 countries combined. Also, being defensive doesn't mean one cannot have attacking capabilities, nowadays no country can defend itself unless it can hurt the aggressors.
 
If its defence budget is 1.28% then its very low indeed, but I read somewhare that China doesn't declare its real defence budget and infact its much higher than that.
In any case, I think China needs to spend a huge amount on social programs to maintain order and thats why it can't afford high percentage for defence.


Every country is guilty of minimizing her defense budgets.

In fact( I don't have the figures with me), China's defense budget is a small comparing to what she spends on: education and social programs, R&D, healthcare, and etc.

Maintaining orders is not a problem at all despite all these exaggerations about Tibet and Xinjiang. To create enough jobs for the newly employs are the most crucial for social harmonies.
 
we should develop more and more strategy weapons, such as nuclear weapons. why russia is so powerful while it's not a economic power? because it has the second largest nuke weapons in the world. no body can look down upon it. china should learn from russia on this topic.
 
china should spend 5% of gdp on military.

1.28%???? thats a f**king national disgrace.

wen jiabao and hu jintao have neglected the chinese military like the Qing dynasty.

military power is the most important power for any country, economies collapse and recover but if you have a weak military, vultures will invade you and will never recover economically. when the soviet union economy collapsed, the russians still had a powerful military so nobody could invade russia, and in a decade or so, the russian economy recovered once it had its default.

china needs the most powerful military, both offensive and defensive.
we also need to build bases in certain areas of the world to protect our interests.
if other countries dont like it, we dont care what they think.
we should do what we want, when we want.
 
china should spend 5% of gdp on military.

1.28%???? thats a f**king national disgrace.

wen jiabao and hu jintao have neglected the chinese military like the Qing dynasty.

military power is the most important power for any country, economies collapse and recover but if you have a weak military, vultures will invade you and will never recover economically. when the soviet union economy collapsed, the russians still had a powerful military so nobody could invade russia, and in a decade or so, the russian economy recovered once it had its default.

china needs the most powerful military, both offensive and defensive.
we also need to build bases in certain areas of the world to protect our interests.
if other countries dont like it, we dont care what they think.
we should do what we want, when we want.

maybe we dont need some bases in other countries. but we very much need to have the strategy weapons to let the enemies know that fighting with China will harm itself very much. Like russia, it sent military to Syria, nobody can stop her. It is not as powerful as the uncle sam, but it can protect its interests well.
 
anyone trying to catch up with dragon will fail drastically
 
The real China's defense budget is around $120~160 billion a year, roughly 2.5% of GDP.

Having said this, China's military is surprisingly expensive to run. While one would think China's military gear cost a fraction of the US ones, they also last a fraction, and stuff like jet engines have to be replaced every 1000 hours, instead of 3~4000 hours like US jets. So the PLA's acquisition and maintenance is roughly the same as the US budget, which explains why China's military power still can't match that of the US.
 
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