Fellow Pakistanis: Let's Turn LOC = IB ?

[nForce]

i think agreement for this solution was ready long before but indian gov refuse to sign at final moments

Can you elaborate a little more on this??

 

[cheekybird]

[ Mods: Please don't delete this! Start a new one elsewhere if appropriate but we need to discuss this NOW].

Guys,
See this:
Military admits ‘shortcomings’ on Bin Laden intel – The Express Tribune
After hearing the first official response as in the above link, I feel that the generals of Pakistan, by deciding to give a stern warning to Americans today and by demanding a reduction in size of Americans officials inside Paksitan, have decided to continue with the hardening of stance since the Raymond Davis episode. Even the OBL fiasco has not changed that course.
The generals' response should put to rest all the theories about Pakistani direct help in the OBL operation. Yes, 'intelligence' was provided--but, of course, Americans want 'more'.

Read all the events leading from the Raymond Davis to OBL death. There was a hardening on both sides. That after 6 years of being in target Americans got OBL now is very significant.

So what should Pakistan do? We can debate the merits or the morality issues till the cows come home but, in my opinion, peace inside Pakistan and Afghanistan is not going to be established until Pakistan establishes peace with India. That will involve recognizing the Indian demand of converting the Line of Control in Kashmir to an International Border.

I know, it sounds desperate, perhaps 'unpatriotic'. But Pakistan cannot win a war against India-America combined especially after Pakistan has lost its image--despite so many sacrifices.

Let's make peace with India. Peace with honor for both Kashmir Pundits and Kashmiri Muslims. Make 'borders irrelevant', per Manmohan Singh himself.

U R KIDDING .....RIGHT?

 

[cheekybird]

[ Mods: Please don't delete this! Start a new one elsewhere if appropriate but we need to discuss this NOW].

Guys,
See this:
Military admits ‘shortcomings’ on Bin Laden intel – The Express Tribune
After hearing the first official response as in the above link, I feel that the generals of Pakistan, by deciding to give a stern warning to Americans today and by demanding a reduction in size of Americans officials inside Paksitan, have decided to continue with the hardening of stance since the Raymond Davis episode. Even the OBL fiasco has not changed that course.
The generals' response should put to rest all the theories about Pakistani direct help in the OBL operation. Yes, 'intelligence' was provided--but, of course, Americans want 'more'.

Read all the events leading from the Raymond Davis to OBL death. There was a hardening on both sides. That after 6 years of being in target Americans got OBL now is very significant.

So what should Pakistan do? We can debate the merits or the morality issues till the cows come home but, in my opinion, peace inside Pakistan and Afghanistan is not going to be established until Pakistan establishes peace with India. That will involve recognizing the Indian demand of converting the Line of Control in Kashmir to an International Border.

I know, it sounds desperate, perhaps 'unpatriotic'. But Pakistan cannot win a war against India-America combined especially after Pakistan has lost its image--despite so many sacrifices.

Let's make peace with India. Peace with honor for both Kashmir Pundits and Kashmiri Muslims. Make 'borders irrelevant', per Manmohan Singh himself.

U R KIDDING .....RIGHT?

 

[F-16_Falcon]

Never!


Pakistan will continue to fight for people of Kashmir till Qayamat. Kashmiri sisters , mothers and brothers we are always there to fight for you. We will fight with bharat , america , nato , israel and other zionist forces who want to separate you from us.

 

[SpArK]

Never!


Pakistan will continue to fight for people of Kashmir till Qayamat. Kashmiri sisters , mothers and brothers we are always there to fight for you. We will fight with bharat , america , nato , israel and other zionist forces who want to separate you from us.

I too agree with you.

 

[Pukhtoon]

We are proud of you Meengla !!




Geo Meengla Geo Katdin Group !!

 

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Never!


Pakistan will continue to fight for people of Kashmir till Qayamat. Kashmiri sisters , mothers and brothers we are always there to fight for you. We will fight with bharat , america , nato , israel and other zionist forces who want to separate you from us.

Sucks that the whole country suffers with people like you running around.

Which Bharati, Zionist, American, NATO forces are you gonna fight in Singapore my little pakistani pataka?

 

[AvidSpice]

We are proud of you Meengla !!




Geo Meengla Geo Katdin Group !!

You hail people like Osama..and You abuse people people who show a way. A way to a better world. Way to go man.

 

[Meengla]

No, I am not kidding.
I have seen more united nations led to their ruins by egotistical approaches by their leaders. Saddam led a once prosperous Iraq of 1979 to its ruin. Belgrade had to be bombed by NATO before its leaders decided to pull back. Qaddafi ruining Libya.
History of full of these 'moral' leaders and the path of destruction they leave behind.
I am dead serious! Perhaps in 1977 when the outside influence in Pakistan was minimal, perhaps in 1977 when Pakistani trusted and followed their elected leader; perhaps in 1977 when the Jihadi jinns were no let lose that leader could have boasted about the 'eat grass' argument. Not now. Too late for that.
Give peace to the Kashmiris of all religion. Ensure water is not used as weapon. Move on guys. Move on!

 

[Bhairava]

LOC ----> IB - the only solution atleast marginally acceptable to India. If Pakistanis too are willing why not ? Great idea. It will atleast stop the outsider nations from fingering both of us and promoting the enmity further for their own vested interests.

Since the thread starter says "Fellow Pakistani" I will desist from commenting further.

Never!
Pakistan will continue to fight for people of Kashmir till Qayamat. Kashmiri sisters , mothers and brothers we are always there to fight for you. We will fight with bharat , america , nato , israel and other zionist forces who want to separate you from us.

Looking from a Enemy POV, I completely agree with you.

With people like you in Pak, we dont need to worry about your country.What better than an enemy who is delusionally paranoid ?

 

[Perceptron]

Never!


Pakistan will continue to fight for people of Kashmir till Qayamat. Kashmiri sisters , mothers and brothers we are always there to fight for you. We will fight with bharat , america , nato , israel and other zionist forces who want to separate you from us.

With the way your country is progressing, looks like Balochistan and FATA will also be difficult to be saved ; Kashmir ka kya phir achaar daloge ? The best thing Pakistan can do now is to be still, and take the blows as it comes (it can duck at its best) ; Any form of jab-hooks that Pakistan tries, would lead to further embarrassment and widespread ridicule. First try to get rid of the TTP cancer that is sending your men to shahadat and then figure out the duration of Qayamat.

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Never!


Pakistan will continue to fight for people of Kashmir till Qayamat. Kashmiri sisters , mothers and brothers we are always there to fight for you. We will fight with bharat , america , nato , israel and other zionist forces who want to separate you from us.

With the way your country is progressing, looks like Balochistan and FATA will also be difficult to be saved ; Kashmir ka kya phir achaar daloge ? The best thing Pakistan can do now is to be still, and take the blows as it comes (it can duck at its best) ; Any form of jab-hooks that Pakistan tries, would lead to further embarrassment and widespread ridicule. First try to get rid of the TTP cancer that is sending your men to shahadat and then figure out the duration of Qayamat.

 

[F-16_Falcon]

I know, it sounds desperate, perhaps 'unpatriotic'. But Pakistan cannot win a war against India-America combined especially after Pakistan has lost its image--despite so many sacrifices.

Do not be so naive. We have capability to win war against them but we just need proper leadership and increased defence budget. If we get leader we can beat them in a year.

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I know, it sounds desperate, perhaps 'unpatriotic'. But Pakistan cannot win a war against India-America combined especially after Pakistan has lost its image--despite so many sacrifices.

Do not be so naive. We have capability to win war against them but we just need proper leadership and increased defence budget. If we get leader we can beat them in a year.

 

[nForce]

we are not land hungry as indians dear.we just stand with kashmiris as they occupaid by force .lol at indian land we have enough thousands of KMs empty land .

Its not about the land area that one country is controlling.Kashmir is more like the ground for an ego-fight between the two nations.Pakistan wants to win over the land as an icon of victory over a bigger neighbour,no matter whatever excuses are being provided for it,be it standing beside other fellow muslims,be it pursuing Jinnah's dream.Similarly,India does not want to let go of it,for similar reasons,a matter of ego and pride.Frankly,if any political party in power in India,lets go of Kashmir,then it will probably be committing the greatest political suicide this region has ever seen.

The problem that arises due to this relentless fight is,both the nations are suffering by a huge margin.Huge losses are incurred each year in terms of loss of lives ,infrastructure,military spending.
Its best to turn the LOC to IB and put and end to the fighting,border infiltration etc..

 

[Poison]

Never!


Pakistan will continue to fight for people of Kashmir till Qayamat. Kashmiri sisters , mothers and brothers we are always there to fight for you. We will fight with bharat , america , nato , israel and other zionist forces who want to separate you from us.

As an Indian i love people like you in Pakistan... we need more people like you in GOP...

 

[AvidSpice]

Do not be so naive. We have capability to win war against them but we just need proper leadership and increased defence budget. If we get leader we can beat them in a year.

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Do not be so naive. We have capability to win war against them but we just need proper leadership and increased defence budget. If we get leader we can beat them in a year.

Thats actually what's stopping your development. Ask a soldier who has fought a battle what it's like.