Imran Khan look 'drained, trapped & hopeless' facing 200+ Bogus Cases | While 25 Crore Pakistanis are in dead sleep, facing all the evil in-justices

[PakAlp]

There you go again with your 'interpretation' of the law! Well, firstly, once an NCM is tabled, it HAS to be voted on. And if it is not then that's a violation of the Const. of Pakistan.

Imran wanted fresh elections? Then he had the right to dismiss the Assemblies before the NCM was tabled. But he didn't. Why? Because he was not as popular as he became after parroting his anti-American rhetoric. In fact, Imran was losing byelections before the NCM drama began.
Imran, the loser, played an unnecessary dirty game with the Const. of Pakistan by 'interpreting' the Const. If laws so fundamental to Pakistan's democracy are so open to the 'interpretations' of sitting PM then there is no need for those laws. Even Imran's supposed friends in the judiciary couldn't accept that.
It is YOU and other Imran followers who are the disingeneous ones. You conveniently 'interpret' laws when it suits you. The same is being done by the PDM now. Karma is a bitch!

You are correct. Imran Khan had the choice to dissolve assemblies before the NCM, he was advised by Sheikh Rasheed to do so because otherwise he was going to be trapped. The law is clear, if you don't have the majority in the parliament then you've lost your PM seat. IK didn't listen, as PTI said back then, we still have the majority.
Once the motion was tabled, Pti panicked and knew IK will be removed so they planned to dismiss it, after dismissal they dissolved the assemblies. As a political party, Pti played immature politics which cost them dearly, they should have dissolved the assemblies a few weeks before the NCM.
Another major mistake was to dissolve provisional assemblies, this made Pti weak and they lost all the power, after dissolving provisional assemblies they then kept on calling for new elections, but also made comments after winning we will dissolve assemblies straight away. Not sure what they were trying to pull, it clearly didn't work.

Like I mentioned, I hope Pti learns from its mistakes and comes back strong, with loyal ticket holders and mature politics, they already lost 150 MNAs,MPAs so it won't be easy finding replacements.

 

[maverick1977]

You are correct. Imran Khan had the choice to dissolve assemblies before the NCM, he was advised by Sheikh Rasheed to do so because otherwise he was going to be trapped. The law is clear, if you don't have the majority in the parliament then you've lost your PM seat. IK didn't listen, as PTI said back then, we still have the majority.
Once the motion was tabled, Pti panicked and knew IK will be removed so they planned to dismiss it, after dismissal they dissolved the assemblies. As a political party, Pti played immature politics which cost them dearly, they should have dissolved the assemblies a few weeks before the NCM.
Another major mistake was to dissolve provisional assemblies, this made Pti weak and they lost all the power, after dissolving provisional assemblies they then kept on calling for new elections, but also made comments after winning we will dissolve assemblies straight away. Not sure what they were trying to pull, it clearly didn't work.

Like I mentioned, I hope Pti learns from its mistakes and comes back strong, with loyal ticket holders and mature politics, they already lost 150 MNAs,MPAs so it won't be easy finding replacements.

PTI came stronger after dissolution, made is abunduntly clear that Napak Fauj is the biggest enemy of the state of Pakistan

 

[Jango]

We get it, you don’t like Imran Khan, good for you. But try to focus on the issue of the Fauji+PDM fascism destroying the country, democracy and rule of law instead of whinging and griping about IK to deflect and justify said fascism.

Looks like it's your first time arguing with him

 

[ziaulislam]

You are correct. Imran Khan had the choice to dissolve assemblies before the NCM, he was advised by Sheikh Rasheed to do so because otherwise he was going to be trapped. The law is clear, if you don't have the majority in the parliament then you've lost your PM seat. IK didn't listen, as PTI said back then, we still have the majority.
Once the motion was tabled, Pti panicked and knew IK will be removed so they planned to dismiss it, after dismissal they dissolved the assemblies. As a political party, Pti played immature politics which cost them dearly, they should have dissolved the assemblies a few weeks before the NCM.
Another major mistake was to dissolve provisional assemblies, this made Pti weak and they lost all the power, after dissolving provisional assemblies they then kept on calling for new elections, but also made comments after winning we will dissolve assemblies straight away. Not sure what they were trying to pull, it clearly didn't work.

Like I mentioned, I hope Pti learns from its mistakes and comes back strong, with loyal ticket holders and mature politics, they already lost 150 MNAs,MPAs so it won't be easy finding replacements.

Wrong
PTI didn't do many mistakes apart from not quietly waiting for general elections with punjab and KP govt in action. It did dissolve those assemblies because it thought army won't get involved

Reason PTI was hesitant was because it knew it wasn't popular people wanted
Sheir aik wari fair

Even now 1/3 of people in Punjab support PMLN 1/3 PTI and 1/3 are disgruntled PMLN supporters (due to inflation recently)


PTI knew if it dissolves assembly it will lose so it couldn't risk it

 

[maverick1977]

He is resilient, and powerful, Allah's power will be with him.

 

[Bossman]

All you Youthias should only have one prayer that Allah gives Imran Khan some brains, the ability to work hard and the he realizes that he is being controlled by a she devil i.e. Pinky Aunti.

When he was the PM, he never showed up for work before 11 am and left by 5. He is a lazy narcissist bum.

I am angry at him because God gave him a great opportunity but he screwed up big time.

 

[Path-Finder]

But then most of population is okay with it
They are okay with army ruling directly or indirectly

are you sure? because the opposite is true. its just that people are cowardly. 250 million vs less than a million.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Behind Imran Khan 100%

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

You’re not a third party but someone who has paid absolutely no attention to what has been going on in Pakistan for the last 1.5 years, whether it is the outright refusal of the PDM to hold provincial elections per the constitution after ordered by the Supreme Court or the blatant disregard for court order after court order releasing innocent political prisoners and the fascist crackdowns that are clearly caught on CCTV and mobile phones and all over social media.

Even the Fauj+PDM Junta supporters in the media don’t try to pretend that none of that occurred, hiding instead behind disingenuous arguments of WHY IK was ousted unconstitutionally and that ‘he brought the fascist crackdown upon himself’.

So, you’re either ignorant of the facts or are pretending to be ignorant, and in both cases you have no business commenting and poisoning this discourse. Go brush up on whats happening in Pakistan and the ‘facts on the ground’ first.

You didn't get my points, Sir.

I am fully aware of other politicians' corruption, and the army is currently against Imran Khan. Additionally, elections ought to be held on time because it is what the Pakistani people in general should be entitled to.

Okay, since I am not the best person to argue here as a third person, I will just say that Imran Khan behaved and acted in the same way that the current government is acting now. and he will do the same if he gets the chance. I even recall the ordinance that he fought to pass.

Pakistani Authorities Give Imran Khan a Taste of His Own Medicine

Reviled for silencing political opponents while in office, the former prime minister gets a muzzle of his own.

foreignpolicy.com

Pakistan moves to stifle social media dissent – DW – 02/24/2022

Pakistan's new social media-related cybercrime ordinance has drawn ire from civil society activists who say the "draconian" legislation is likely to be used against government critics.

www.dw.com

I am not endorsing anyone here, and while I am aware that other political figures are fundamentally crooked, I do not believe that this automatically qualifies Imran Khan as the great candidate. I am judging Imran khan based on his 3 and half years of performance. I don't trust any of his political games and statements from the past 1.5 years.

The same person was ready to give Bajwa a new extension if he supported him. The same person tried everything get support during his last days in office.

When he was thrown out, the same Bajwa became for him "Mir Jafar", so suddenly USA got involved (after a year, took U-turn on his statement), oh dear, it looks like total drama and dirty games from the outside, if I am not a Pakistani.

I firmly believe that for Pakistan's citizens to have a better future, they need to look beyond Sharif, Bhutto, and Imran Khan which practically seems impossible as of now.

 

[Bossman]

You didn't get my points, Sir.

I am fully aware of other politicians' corruption, and the army is currently against Imran Khan. Additionally, elections ought to be held on time because it is what the Pakistani people in general should be entitled to.

Okay, since I am not the best person to argue here as a third person, I will just say that Imran Khan behaved and acted in the same way that the current government is acting now. and he will do the same if he gets the chance. I even recall the ordinance that he fought to pass.

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Pakistani Authorities Give Imran Khan a Taste of His Own Medicine

Reviled for silencing political opponents while in office, the former prime minister gets a muzzle of his own.

foreignpolicy.com

Pakistan moves to stifle social media dissent – DW – 02/24/2022

Pakistan's new social media-related cybercrime ordinance has drawn ire from civil society activists who say the "draconian" legislation is likely to be used against government critics.

www.dw.com

I am not endorsing anyone here, and while I am aware that other political figures are fundamentally crooked, I do not believe that this automatically qualifies Imran Khan as the great candidate. I am judging Imran khan based on his 3 and half years of performance. I don't trust any of his political games and statements from the past 1.5 years.

The same person was ready to give Bajwa a new extension if he supported him. The same person tried everything get support during his last days in office.

When he was thrown out, the same Bajwa became for him "Mir Jafar", so suddenly USA got involved (after a year, took U-turn on his statement), oh dear, it looks like total drama and dirty games from the outside, if I am not a Pakistani.

I firmly believe that for Pakistan's citizens to have a better future, they need to look beyond Sharif, Bhutto, and Imran Khan which practically seems impossible as of now.

#uck off Indian your #ucking opinion is not needed on matters related to Pakistan go worry about Manipur, Haryana and Delhi the rape capital of the world

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I will just say that Imran Khan behaved and acted in the same way that the current government is acting now

That is precisely where you’re either ignorant or deliberately being disingenuous - nothing like what is occurring now happened during IK’s time in government.

Feel free to provide examples detailing a similar crackdown on the PMLN and/or PPP during IK’s government. The Foreign Policy article uses a lot of rhetoric but is short on actual examples and assigns blame to IK where the fault was with the Fauj. Journalists like Toor and Matiullah were abducted by the Fauj for being critical of the Fauj. I recall because the PTI govt at the time pushed for the release of said journalists and did not have a clue as to who did it when those abductions occurred.

Nor are there any examples of the PTI government outright refusing to follow court orders like the PDM has done repeatedly.

The issue here remains the Fauj - it needs to be castrated and sent back to the barracks and forced to accept civilian supremacy, or it will keep manipulating domestic politics and destroying democracy and the rule of law in Pakistan and therefore eventually destroy Pakistan.

 

[aviator_fan]

PAF retaliated and downed the Indian fighters in broad daylight but IK released the Indian pilot in hurry. Why?

IK tried to create alternate OIC angering KSA.

Pakistan-Saudi rift: What happened?

Pakistan’s criticism of Saudi-led Muslim bloc OIC for its inaction on the Kashmir issue has threatened their ties.

www.aljazeera.com

IK tried to kill CPEC and Pakistan Army stepped in to reassure China.


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“At all costs”: How Pakistan and China control the narrative on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor | Brookings

The tight control of the narrative on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) by both China and Pakistan and a lack of transparency on its terms prevents proper accountability of the venture.

www.brookings.edu

IK gave the measured response to an attack that caused no loss of life on Pakistan side. Most non-active warring countries release downed pilots quickly. Syrians did it within a week when US Navy aircraft attacked its SAM sites in Bekaa Valley (where Syrians did lose lives).

You don't deserve to use IK as a yard stick of defence against India. What you should be reminded of if NS coward who when Kargil operation started took his fat tail to the White House to plea the US for end of hostilities.

 

[Meengla]

You are correct. Imran Khan had the choice to dissolve assemblies before the NCM, he was advised by Sheikh Rasheed to do so because otherwise he was going to be trapped. The law is clear, if you don't have the majority in the parliament then you've lost your PM seat. IK didn't listen, as PTI said back then, we still have the majority.
Once the motion was tabled, Pti panicked and knew IK will be removed so they planned to dismiss it, after dismissal they dissolved the assemblies. As a political party, Pti played immature politics which cost them dearly, they should have dissolved the assemblies a few weeks before the NCM.
Another major mistake was to dissolve provisional assemblies, this made Pti weak and they lost all the power, after dissolving provisional assemblies they then kept on calling for new elections, but also made comments after winning we will dissolve assemblies straight away. Not sure what they were trying to pull, it clearly didn't work.

Like I mentioned, I hope Pti learns from its mistakes and comes back strong, with loyal ticket holders and mature politics, they already lost 150 MNAs,MPAs so it won't be easy finding replacements.

Thank God, there are still Imran fanbois with some 'balance'. Otherwise, if Imran were to shoot someone in front of the Pakistan's Supreme Court, the argument would be Imran 'interpreted' that as a threat.

All you Youthias should only have one prayer that Allah gives Imran Khan some brains, the ability to work hard and the he realizes that he is being controlled by a she devil i.e. Pinky Aunti.
When he was the PM, he never showed up for work before 11 am and left by 5. He is a lazy narcissist bum.
I am angry at him because God gave him a great opportunity but he screwed up big time.

Not just that but a man who Tweets about 'the only think missing these days is hiking with my sons' just as '10,000' workers of PTI were being imprisoned while the great Khan had not even seen his sons for 3.5 years. His hypocrisy and opportunism is astounding--especially coming from a guy who carries a prayer bead and constantly talk about Riyasat e Medina.

Okay, since I am not the best person to argue here as a third person, I will just say that Imran Khan behaved and acted in the same way that the current government is acting now. and he will do the same if he gets the chance. I even recall the ordinance that he fought to pass.

Short of selling his immediate blood relations, Imran would anything to gain power. Period. The guy is a psychopath and unhinged. And IF--a big IF-- the Establishment and Imran patch up tomorrow, you'd see the tune of not only Imran but also of this forum changes.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

That is precisely where you’re either ignorant or deliberately being disingenuous - nothing like what is occurring now happened during IK’s time in government.

Feel free to provide examples detailing a similar crackdown on the PMLN and/or PPP during IK’s government. The Foreign Policy article uses a lot of rhetoric but is short on actual examples and assigns blame to IK where the fault was with the Fauj. Journalists like Toor and Matiullah were abducted by the Fauj for being critical of the Fauj. I recall because the PTI govt at the time pushed for the release of said journalists and did not have a clue as to who did it when those abductions occurred.

Nor are there any examples of the PTI government outright refusing to follow court orders like the PDM has done repeatedly.

The issue here remains the Fauj - it needs to be castrated and sent back to the barracks and forced to accept civilian supremacy, or it will keep manipulating domestic politics and destroying democracy and the rule of law in Pakistan and therefore eventually destroy Pakistan.

My typographical error, I apologize. I meant to say that he will act in the same way that current politicians behave. I can use Gen. Musharraf's regime transition as an example of his support for him.

Feel free to read the judges' comments; I won't mention some of the court statements they made during Imran Khan's administration, during which a few leaders were imprisoned and there was no choice for a court bell and they were not culprits as stated by courts.

Again, I apologize; I was deliberately avoiding discussing the PAK military establishment because I have an entirely different viewpoint and would deviate from the issue. but let me add that.

Although it is not a recent issue, Pakistan's independence marked the beginning of it. There were minimal security issues because India was the biggest threat, followed by Afghanistan, Iran and China.

It led to the supreme commander of the PAK military apparatus in Pakistan, whose subsequent establishment forbade any other political entity from becoming more powerful than them in Pakistan.

Again, I'm not sure whether I need to mention that during the course of the previous 70 years in Pakistan, the establishment has persuaded many people to believe and act upon falsehoods. For instance, the Soviet Union used the desire for warm water as an excuse to enter the Afghan War and projected India as the greatest threat etc etc even after the 1970s to always stay supreme in Pakistan.

Civilian supremacy, You've only just started talking about it. I still struggle to relate to Imran Khan and the current circumstances. I believe that Imran khan is just playing his political play cards, better way to understand - (Mujhe kyun NIkala - part 2) - so now he is against the establishment and playing his tricks for the past 1 and a half years.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Civilian supremacy, You've only just started talking about it. I still struggle to relate to Imran Khan and the current circumstances. I believe that Imran khan is just playing his political play cards, better way to understand - (Mujhe kyun NIkala - part 2) - so now he is against the establishment and playing his tricks for the past 1 and a half years.

I understand your skepticism.

I will however point you to an article (link to the thread at the end of this post) in the Friday times. The publication is owned by Najam Sethi who is extremely close to Nawaz Sharif. Sethi has a colorful past (fought against the Army in the early Baloch rebellions) and was (like many other pro-democracy and anti-Fauj voices before IK came into power) quite the vociferous critic of the Fauj’s constitutional overstepping.

While the article contains the usual Imran Khan bashing, pay attention to how the author describes the political dynamics of Pakistan pre and post 2018 elections and nonchalantly talks about the Fauj’s manipation and rigging of Pakistans political process. The author almost sounds wistful and nostalgic about what he sees as the upending of a corrupt patronage based political process where broader voter enthusiasm was deliberately suppressed and the remaining electorate controlled via periodic largesse doled out as necessary, to keep a small core voter base willing to show up on election day- what many of us derogatorily refer to as the Biryani voters.

The point I am trying to make, going back to your skepticism, is that if this shift in the mindset of a good chunk of the electorate is genuine and permanent, then IK will have to govern accordingly (if he is allowed to pariticpate in free and fair elections and the results are accepted by the Fauj) or end up losing that support and go the route of the PMLN & PPP, which he can’t sustain like the Sharif’s and Zardaris.

The only way we’ll find out if IK will follow what he’s preaching right now (about upholding democracy, the rule of law and civilian suptemacy) is if the Fauj+PDM Junta allow free and fair elections and let him fail or succeed on his own.

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