Pakistan And The SU-35 Saga Continues

[Windjammer]

Guys, I know this topic has been discussed to the bone without any outcome, however as most of you would be aware of the new developments surrounding this aircraft. Apart from others, Egypt which ordered 24 SU-35 aircraft and the manufacture of which is almost complete, in fact it's said that some of them have been even painted in Egyptian Air Force's specific colour scheme and logo are now left stranded as along with Egypt, reportedly Algeria and Indonesia have also pulled out of the deal.
Now some well placed sources are saying that Russia has offered the Egyptian aircraft to Pakistan.

While at one time, PAF was very much interested in the type, however due to the changing political environment, PAF is in a limbo. Apart from all else, if PAF goes for the SU-35, it can say goodbye to any prospects of more Vipers or their kits.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1478349496409022466

Let's see how this pans out.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

We should stay away from Russian aircraft, they're cursed. Anyone who flies them losses the engagement.
65
71
80s war against USSR
Arab Israel wars
Gulf war
Abninandan thrashing and many more

 

[The Eagle]

There was only one Twitter Account recently suggested the SU-35 interest by PAF or at-least a rumor. I don't know that how come such a flanker fits the bill for Pakistan given adversaries life long experience and then above all, the supply chain & maintenance concerns. Imagine if Egypt & others backed out; what good it might bring for PAF if we just forget past interest for SU-35s. The issue was more of a tailor made PAF specific version having mix of OEM's equipment & gadget which was apparently denied or there was another argument that such interest was merely to send a message to someone else.

Do you think a large RCS Flanker will somehow be acquired by PAF whereby we already have talks about J-10Cs coming to PAF. In-fact Pakistan does not enjoy a high level defence relations with Russia like China. In my opinion, this interest somehow conflicts PAF's next procurement. Furthermore, just look at the types of ACs in inventory with one more different platform such as J-10CP possibly coming. So, I don't see all these types maintained by PAF given the major issue of finance as well.

If J-10Cs are here, there comes another capability to PAF and furthermore, it will be NGF to retire the aging fleet post 2030.

 

[Windjammer]

There was only one Twitter Account recently suggested the SU-35 interest by PAF or at-least a rumor. I don't know that how come such a flanker fits the bill for Pakistan given adversaries life long experience and then above all, the supply chain & maintenance concerns. Imagine if Egypt & others backed out; what good it might bring for PAF if we just forget past interest for SU-35s. The issue was more of a tailor made PAF specific version having mix of OEM's equipment & gadget which was apparently denied or there was another argument that such interest was merely to send a message to someone else.

Do you think a large RCS Flanker will somehow be acquired by PAF whereby we already have talks about J-10Cs coming to PAF. In-fact Pakistan does not enjoy a high level defence relations with Russia like China. In my opinion, this interest somehow conflicts PAF's next procurement. Furthermore, just look at the types of ACs in inventory with one more different platform such as J-10CP possibly coming. So, I don't see all these types maintained by PAF given the major issue of finance as well.

If J-10Cs are here, there comes another capability to PAF and furthermore, it will be NGF to retire the aging fleet post 2030.

The original argument was that PAF needs a fast jet for long range maritime strike missions.
Although we have the Mirage-5 PA-3s armed with the Exocet Missiles and the JF-17s equipped with the likes of C-802 but operating single engine jets over water is much more hazardous than on land, a glitch over the sea and even if the pilot bails out, there are little to no chance of recovering him....twin engines provide that little extra safety......hence you find most carrier based aircraft are dual engine.

 

[ARMalik]

Highly unlikely specially with J-15s coming soon.

 

[The Eagle]

The original argument was that PAF needs a fast jet for long range maritime strike missions.
Although we have the Mirage-5 PA-3s armed with the Exocet Missiles and the JF-17s equipped with the likes of C-802 but operating single engine jets over water is much more hazardous than on land, a glitch over the sea and even if the pilot bails out, there are little to no chance of recovering him....twin engines provide that little extra safety......hence you find most carrier based aircraft are dual engine.

I agree in regard to utility of dual engine fighter jet as compare to single engine for Sea Missions. However, my point was in regard to having yet another platform, different than already 3 types in inventory, can lead to what we saw with IAF. Instead, I will rather wish for something like J-16 with all its wild weasels .

 

[Windjammer]

500 pages coming soon

I doubt it as it doesn't apply that PAF has shown interest or if they are seriously looking into the offer.
But who knows what goes on behind the scene.

 

[The Eagle]

I doubt it as it doesn't apply that PAF has shown interest or if they are seriously looking into the offer.
But who knows what goes on behind the scene.

OP updated with link to the Tweet I was talking about.

 

[Areesh]

We should stay away from Russian aircraft, they're cursed. Anyone who flies them losses the engagement.
65
71
80s war against USSR
Arab Israel wars
Gulf war
Abninandan thrashing and many more

Russia's bad luck is that their aircraft were flown by the likes of Indian Air Force instead of more professional airforce

Indian airforce can bring humiliation to any aircraft manufacturer. They have been doing this since 1965. Ab to bharati vayu sena expert ho gayi hai kisi bhi aircraft ko zaleel karwanai main

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

I used to like SU 35s a lot but if we are getting J10c, I think that should be more than enough. Many Chinese claim J10c has emerged on top of Su35 and J16s all the time!

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Su-35, one of the most beautifully designed fighter aircraft in service. Second only to the beauty of Su-57.

Pure machine.

 

[Windjammer]

OP updated with link to the Tweet I was talking about.

I was in fact informed of the news at least a week earlier, just came across the image in PAF colours today then decided to share it.

 

[The Eagle]

I used to like SU 35s a lot but if we are getting J10c, I think that should be more than enough. Many Chinese claim J10c has defeated Su35 and J16s all the time!

China operates both and given their findings during exercise; that will be an observation to keep a close eye. Hence, PAF might know well that how it performs and what it is worth of.

I was in fact informed of the news at least a week earlier, just came across the image in PAF colours today then decided to share it.

Ohh.... you mean about that new interest in SU-35?

 

[jupiter2007]

We should stay away from Russian aircraft, they're cursed. Anyone who flies them losses the engagement.
65
71
80s war against USSR
Arab Israel wars
Gulf war
Abninandan thrashing and many more

We have a professional Air Force and they can handle any aircraft. Remember Russia offered MiG-35 to Pakistan few years ago. I think Russia may have approved the Sale of SU-35 to Pakistan that’s why this news is coming out or it maybe to let Uncle Sam know that we have other options available. Pakistan did request for upgrade Kit for F-16s.

 

[Windjammer]

Ohh.... you mean about that new interest in SU-35?

Offering the Egyptian aircraft which have been left stranded.....the likely hood i was told is that Iran might pick them up.