Syrian air defenses repel Israeli aggression, intercept several hostile missiles over Damascus

[Philosopher]

Of course it counts as missiles missing their target,

You measure accuracy by the extend a missile hit/missed its target, you use something Circular Error Probability (CEP). Missiles failing during launch do not count.

are you honestly that dumb?

Given the disaster of a "logic" you portrayed above, I would refrain from asking such question.

It's even worse than simply missing the target. You measure accuracy by bullets fired and bullets hit, not what happened to them mid flight due to their own design.

You've apparently invented your own way of measuring CEP.
let me teach the basics, CEP utilised something called the Mean Squared Root (MSR), this in part relies on normal distribution of impact points i.e hits.

Therefore, trying to claim CEP includes the missile that did not impact i.e failure during flight is nonsensical and has nothing to do with CEP calculations. In order for the calculation to work, you need to have impacts. According to your logic, if I have 5 missiles of missile family we can call x, and they end up being destroyed e.g by the opposing side's air defence, then this means missile x does not even have a CEP because it never hit the target. But this is essentially what you're suggesting, i.e missile that never made it to target due to malfunction should also be considered. This is clearly ludicrous and is not related to the CEP formula/calculation.

At least read a little around the topic first before replying to comments. Start here:

http://ballistipedia.com/index.php?title=Circular_Error_Probable

Doesn't change the facts, 17 missiles were fired, 11 missiles even got to the target vicinity and only 5 hit structures, which might not have been their intended targets anyways, thus, at most 29% accuracy.

Once again, you're making the same amateur errors. Repeating yourself will not solve the false nature of your claims. Even assuming your wikipedia obtained "facts" are correct:

1- You're once again including missile that failed during firing stage. Ballistic missiles are inherently prone to failures, this is why when you fire at targets, you always fire more than is needed. In other words, you take those failures into account.

2- You're pretending to know what the targets of Iran's attack were and claiming Iran missed those. This is folly.

If Iranian missile were indeed of low CEP, then in order for a hit like this to occur:

Iran could have needed to fire potentially 100s of missiles at that very target. A basic understanding of CEP could have told you that. Yet, missile hit it and its neighbouring targets with pin point accuracy.

Which is a valid one considering the Iranian objective is to wipe us out. Not that they're capable of, but I would expect nothing less if they're going full schizo with ballistic missiles at us.

Iran could easily paralyse Israel as a state, according to your own experts. And again, the fact you're resorting to nuclear system when Iran is using conventional warheads shows how vulnerable you are to these systems.

I'm afraid you're not intelligent enough to understand that Syria's current situation is not a factor in regards to a response against an Israeli airstrike because we have been bombing them for decades *non-stop*, from the 80s until now. not decades ago.

It is quite strange indeed that I have to simply comments for you constantly. Let me try this again. My comment has nothing to do with the history of your attacks on Syria, I am explaining to you why today, Iranian backed groups are not retaliating against Israeli attacks.

Israel has intensified its attack on Syria because you consider a second front against in Syria as almost an existential threat. Listen to your own General (Ret)

That's a lie, Russia already had the S-300 and S-400 for many years in Syria, then they sold the S-300 to the Syrians after the Russian IL20 that was thought to be an Israeli F-16.

You're telling me the Syrian air defense force that claims to shoot down an Israeli F-35 and like a dozen F-16s with the S-200 cannot do the same against an F-16 with the S-300?

You say my statement is a lie and go on to comment on somewhere else. I said S-300 in Syria is under Russian control (most probably), where is your counter to that?

Even if the training of the Syrian crew is supposed to be finished by the end of October, Russia could maintain some control over Syrian air-defence through this system.

https://www.iiss.org/blogs/military-balance/2018/11/russia-delivers-s-300-damascus-ambitions


S-200 is Syrian and has been under their control for years. So apples and oranges I am afraid.

 

[Beny Karachun]

We don't need to liberate Palestine by our own hands. Like i said, as non-Arabs we have done enough for them, more than their own Arab brothers.

You won't be able to either.

You measure accuracy by the extend a missile hit/missed its target, you use something Circular Error Probability (CEP). Missiles failing during launch do not count.

Call it reliability then, because at the end of the day, only 5 missiles actually hit something meaningful, out of 17. So fine then, you have pinpoint accuracy *unreliable* missiles, that aren't even guranteed to explode on target.

How much is the missile accuracy worth if it has a 4/17 chance of failing mid air, 1/17 chance of missing the target by 20 kilometers, 1/17 chance of not blowing up on target and 6/17 chance of missing the building it was intending to hit?

1- You're once again including missile that failed during firing stage. Ballistic missiles are inherently prone to failures, this is why when you fire at targets, you always fire more than is needed. In other words, you take those failures into account.

2- You're pretending to know what the targets of Iran's attack were and claiming Iran missed those. This is folly.

If Iranian missile were indeed of low CEP, then in order for a hit like this to occur:

Unfortunate that the weapon you so dearly rely on is inherently prone to failure.

I don't know what Iran had targeted. What I definitely know is that Iran has shown us it couldn't scratch a single American soldier with 17 of their ballistic missiles.

That picture means nothing, a broken watch is still correct twice a day, so are your missiles.

It is quite strange indeed that I have to simply comments for you constantly. Let me try this again. My comment has nothing to do with the history of your attacks on Syria, I am explaining to you why today, Iranian backed groups are not retaliating against Israeli attacks.

Israel has intensified its attack on Syria because you consider a second front against in Syria as almost an existential threat. Listen to your own General (Ret)

Whatever mate, for all I care the reason of Iran or Syria not retaliating could be that a UFO has probed Assad, you're the one getting humiliated, and you do nothing in return.

You say my statement is a lie and go on to comment on somewhere else. I said S-300 in Syria is under Russian control (most probably), where is your counter to that?

You have uncertainty in your own words, and you want me to prove it to you?
Fine then
https://www.timesofisrael.com/satel...entire-s-300-air-defenses-likely-operational/

Iran could easily paralyse Israel as a state, according to your own experts. And again, the fact you're resorting to nuclear system when Iran is using conventional warheads shows how vulnerable you are to these systems.

Iran hasn't paralyzed us yet and we haven't nuked them in return,so nothing shows how vulnerable we are, and you haven't proved you can paralyze us. If you could, you would have done that already.

Sure, if Iran will try to paralyze us, we will most definitely paralyze them. You see, your ballistic missiles might take out a power station or two, if they don't blow up midair, land somewhere else, miss their target by 20 kilometers, get intercepted by many layers of air defense, and fail to blow up on impact, like your missiles have a tendency to.

But our ballistic missiles are on another level.

https://www.iiss.org/blogs/military-balance/2018/11/russia-delivers-s-300-damascus-ambitions


S-200 is Syrian and has been under their control for years. So apples and oranges I am afraid.

This is an article from 2018 and the Syrians crew were trained a long time ago.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Defense_Force

Go to the inventory tab. The Syrian's haven't bought the S-300 from the Russians just so they could operate it, in addition to the S-300 and S-400 that were already based in Syria.

 

[Philosopher]

Call it reliability then, because at the end of the day, only 5 missiles actually hit something meaningful, out of 17. So fine then, you have pinpoint accuracy *unreliable* missiles, that aren't even guranteed to explode on target.

It does not matter, like I told you earlier, you always fire more missiles than you need. In the case of Iran, it fired missiles that were older and in storage. You never assume a 100% success rate.

How much is the missile accuracy worth if it has a 4/17 chance of failing mid air,

Even if those numbers were accurate, the reality is a single ballistic missile landing on the target is enough to devastate it.

1/17 chance of missing the target by 20 kilometers, 1/17 chance of not blowing up on target and 6/17 chance of missing the building it was intending to hit?

You're making up your own numbers here. These missiles had a CEP of around 10-15 meter. How does that equate to a 1/17 chance of missing by 20,000 meters?

Unfortunate that the weapon you so dearly rely on is inherently prone to failure.

As are all weapons, I have already explained steps taken to deal with these inherent issues.

I don't know what Iran had targeted. What I definitely know is that Iran has shown us it couldn't scratch a single American soldier with 17 of their ballistic missiles.

A case of pretending to not see the obvious? There was a reason Iran gave them long warning period before attacking.

That picture means nothing, a broken watch is still correct twice a day, so are your missiles.

You have zero understanding of CEP. Hence why you cannot comprehend what it means. Here are multiple accurate strikes in one photo:

If you had any understanding regards to the probability of missiles hitting such a thing by chance according to you, I doubt even you would suffer that embarrassment by making these comments. For a missile with high CEP to hit targets like that, you'd have to fire 100's/1000's to guarantee a hit. How many such misses do you see in that picture?

Whatever mate, for all I care the reason of Iran or Syria not retaliating could be that a UFO has probed Assad, you're the one getting humiliated, and you do nothing in return.

Iran is building a second front as we speak, listen to your leaders and you'll learn the true picture. I bet you made no effort to listen to Gen Amidror.

You have uncertainty in your own words, and you want me to prove it to you?
Fine then
https://www.timesofisrael.com/satel...entire-s-300-air-defenses-likely-operational/

How does that prove the S-300 is not under Russian control?

and you haven't proved you can paralyze us.

The capability is there, that's what matters.

If you could, you would have done that already.

Iran is not irrational to start such a conflict. Why give you an excuse to use your nukes (like you said)?

if they don't blow up midair, land somewhere else, miss their target by 20 kilometers, get intercepted by many layers of air defense, and fail to blow up on impact, like your missiles have a tendency to.

According to your wikipedia or actual proof in the ground? The proof I am saying is Iran pin pointed single shelters etc, never-mind giant powerplant. By the way, go tell the Pentagon and your own experts Iranian missile are not accurate/reliable given they're saying the opposite to your wikipedia derived "facts". I am sure they at-least know what CEP means. What do you think?

But our ballistic missiles are on another level.

Your missiles that are barely tested? The CEP of your missiles will be quite large anyway given they carry non-conventional warheads.

 

[Aspen]

Sure, if Iran will try to paralyze us, we will most definitely paralyze them. You see, your ballistic missiles might take out a power station or two, if they don't blow up midair, land somewhere else, miss their target by 20 kilometers, get intercepted by many layers of air defense, and fail to blow up on impact, like your missiles have a tendency to.

But our ballistic missiles are on another level.

If Israel is living in a mirage of invincibility, that is even better for its enemies. The complacency of Israel is the advantage of its enemies. We should let Israel get comfortable and lull it into a false sense of security. I hope that Israelis keep thinking they are invincible, so that everyone will be even more surprised when its enemies decide to shatter this aura of a glass mirage.

 

[Philosopher]

This is an article from 2018 and the Syrians crew were trained a long time ago.

And?

Go to the inventory tab. The Syrian's haven't bought the S-300 from the Russians just so they could operate it, in addition to the S-300 and S-400 that were already based in Syria.

No good enough sorry. You don't know the terms of their agreement so you're just making assumption.

 

[Aspen]

You are clearly out of touch with reality, Iran proved their capability by their deadly accurate strike in Iraq. Their long range IBMs are just as accurate, they also have cruise missiles. As for Pakistan's ability don't even think about it, as we can wipe you off the map in minutes.

Israel is a paper tiger. If they are cut off from US support, their defenses will evaporate against an enemy like Iran.

All those shiny F35's can be disabled by the US with the press of a button.

Israel only talks boldly because of US support. Take away US support and I doubt Israel would be making threats to Iran. Without America, Israel is nothing.

US support is the only reason Israel has not already been wiped off the map.

Iran can bomb Israel into irrelevancy so its fine if Israelis want to delude themselves into thinking they will be able to respond to Iran at all unless America comes to rescue the poor Israelis.

 

[khansaheeb]

We did see it in March, humilated by drone attack. Show us all the missiles what you shot down..

Are you siding with Israel?

I don't think he said that.
I think he means that if liberating Palestine was all that meaningful to Iran, it would have done it already, provided it has the calability to do so or course.

But he says it's not, and that people in this forum think Iran is just going to launch all of it's ballistic missiles as a part of some great plan Iran has worked out for decades now.

3000 Hezbos defeated the entire Israeli army, what chance do you stand against 10000 IRGC and Hezbos??

 

[Aspen]

Syrian air defenses intercept Israeli missiles

https://twitter.com/x/status/1254597015482167297

 

[Beny Karachun]

3000 Hezbos defeated the entire Israeli army, what chance do you stand against 10000 IRGC and Hezbos??

Imagine being this retarded lol

 

[Beny Karachun]

And?

My friend you might have some degree of autism and you deny Russia sold Syria the S-300 and trained Syrian crews for it, I guess I will leave that.

https://m-jpost-com.cdn.ampproject....the-s-300-will-they-ever-use-it-report-584563

It does not matter, like I told you earlier, you always fire more missiles than you need. In the case of Iran, it fired missiles that were older and in storage. You never assume a 100% success rate.

Ahahahah reliability doesn't matter? It matters more than CEP, it's the thing that ensures your missile lands on target and not some random village on the way to your target.

Yea obviously you can't assume a 100% success rate, Iranian missiles are garbage.

Even if those numbers were accurate, the reality is a single ballistic missile

Yea but you gotta hit the target first

You're making up your own numbers here. These missiles had a CEP of around 10-15 meter. How does that equate to a 1/17 chance of missing by 20,000 meters?

Just stating the facts, 17 missiles launched, 1 of them missed the target by 20 kilometers.

As are all weapons, I have already explained steps taken to deal with these inherent issues.

Definitely not to that degree.
It's just that Iranian quality is garbage that can only achieve a 29% hit ratio.

The steps you suggested to take rely on an infinite supply of missiles, which you don't have.

You have zero understanding of CEP. Hence why you cannot comprehend what it means. Here are multiple accurate strikes in one photo:

If you had any understanding regards to the probability of missiles hitting such a thing by chance according to you, I doubt even you would suffer that embarrassment by making these comments. For a missile with high CEP to hit targets like that, you'd have to fire 100's/1000's to guarantee a hit. How many such misses do you see in that picture?

Those are the 5 hits I've been talking about, out of the 17 fired, where are the rest?
Here's one, not only did it miss, but it also didn't explode

A case of pretending to not see the obvious? There was a reason Iran gave them long warning period before attacking.

Is that why they reported on 80 American casualties, which is clearly a lie?

The capability is there, that's what matters.

In case you have that capability we will wipe you from the face of the earth. We don't believe that would be necessary because you don't have that capability.

Iran is not irrational to start such a conflict. Why give you an excuse to use your nukes (like you said)?

How many times do we need to bomb them until they will finally paralyze us, as you say they're capable of?

Your missiles that are barely tested? The CEP of your missiles will be quite large anyway given they carry non-conventional warheads.

I don't know about our ballistic missile CEP but I don't think we need it to be that small for a MIRV warhead anyway.

Syrian air defenses intercept Israeli missiles

https://twitter.com/x/status/1254597015482167297

Firing blindly again.

If Israel is living in a mirage of invincibility, that is even better for its enemies. The complacency of Israel is the advantage of its enemies. We should let Israel get comfortable and lull it into a false sense of security. I hope that Israelis keep thinking they are invincible, so that everyone will be even more surprised when its enemies decide to shatter this aura of a glass mirage.

It's you that live a mirage, you think we will just be vaporized and then life will be better for you.

 

[yavar]

General (Ret)

This guy is mentally retarded

Just watched video from 9:30

Quote “ Boko Haram means the holy book which means Quran
“End quote


The guy well know lier retard,

But Israeli members here try to make post about iranian General.


But by making foolish post the reality on ground will not change.

 

[Trench Broom]

Now with the oil prices being negative, the Iranian terror regime is under more and more pressure.

I'm not sure pistachio exports will make up for the deepening economic crises in Iran.

Still while the masses of Iran are dying from their heroin addiction, lethal moonshine, Covid-19 and poverty - the mad Mullahs with the stolen wealth of the country are still pissing away money on Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, Gaza etc. Everyone but the Iranian people.

What a sick regime.

 

[yavar]

Here's one, not only did it miss, but it also didn't explode
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this is another one for Iranian members to learn not to bother
he posted Pic of fuel tank and body BM missile which after warhead separation landed, in place which has landed there is no sign REV.

the retard says explode,

one should tell the retard if the missile explode it will burn the body and fuel tank, the piucture is so clear so ..............

Now with the oil prices being negative, the Iranian terror regime is under more and more pressure.

Really?? We produce 200,000 barrels day before price drop to Zero so explain here what has it change ? How is it effecting Iran ?? Please give us some number and figures??

 

[Hack-Hook]

Very soon Iran is going to move ballistic missiles to Syria, lets see how Israel attacks then.

what for, our balistic missile , quasi balistic missile , cruise missiles and drones can reach Israel from Iran . why send them to sysria . syrya already have m-600 which is second generation fateh-110 with the range of 250km . if they want to attack Israel , they use them.
we also gave them Fajr-5 with 80km of range

 

[Hack-Hook]

It did.

no we didn't

It sure does mean that when Israel reports on Iranian casualties and the trucks and weapons are Iranian, especially if it's the thousandth time it does it.

show me the funeral for those Iranian . every one knew how we held funeral for defender of the shrines. or you also believe Iranian soldiers are just Aliens in old Sci-Fi movies and evaporate after death ?

What deadly accurate strike
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4 Missiles failed in flight, 1 didn't explode, and another one missed by 20 kilometers.
6 out of 17 missiles. That's already 65% success rate.
Now out of the 11 that hit the air base, only 5 managed to hit an actual building or a garage or something or significance. So only 29 percent of the missiles actually hit their probably intended target. And we're talking about an airbase with no missile defense system.
The only casualties that were inflicted were traumatical and not physical.
I would call this attack a fail.


Do you want us to extract the body remains from Syria and deliver them to Iran for confirmation? Our intelligence says they're Iranian. I believe them.

funny part we didn't even fired 11 Qiamin that operation and in all previous operation it was Qiam which showed Failure not Fateh missile family

29% accuracy at most in Iran's recent strike at Iraq.

tell that to the soldiers in Ain-Alasad and Pejak terrorists in Iraq Kurdistan .

Those are the 5 hits I've been talking about, out of the 17 fired, where are the rest?
Here's one, not only did it miss, but it also didn't explode

do you knew USA military contradict you and that part of the Wikipedia you are qouting is based on claims of a web site called "popular mechanic" and "National interest"

Didn't knew missiles bodies are also supposed to explode.
for thousandths of time we separate warhead from body of the missile in our missiles.