Syrian air defenses repel Israeli aggression, intercept several hostile missiles over Damascus

[khansaheeb]

Mullahs will be on your throats soon.

The Messenger of Allah(ﷺ) said, Black standards will come from Khurasan (Iran), nothing shall turn them back until they are planted in Jerusalem.

Inshallah, rightly so. But the Guardians of the Jews , KSA and Egypt , will be there to protect them.

 

[Oublious]

We did see it in March, humilated by drone attack. Show us all the missiles what you shot down..

 

[Falcon29]

Perhaps start with posting those promises first and then we can go from there.

Iran Threatens Israel With 'Crushing Response' to Action Against Its Mideast Interests

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...o-action-against-regional-interests-1.8527939

If that was the case, Iran would not have created Hezbollah and would not be creating new fronts against Israel. There are long terms game plans in effect here, for some reason you're not seeing the that.

Maybe part of supporting Hezbollah was to protect vulnerable Shia community of Lebanon at the time? Other than that Hezbollah seems more of a deterrence for Iran's nuclear program.

As for Palestinians in Gaza, they are supported by Iran for popular reasons as it helps Iran narrative build against regional enemies.

Other than that, not sure what long term game plan you are talking about that relates to Israel. You seem to try to tie everything to Israel instead of just being honest that Yemen, Iraq are related to your national interests and power projection against KSA and nothing to do with Israel.

If you guys wanted to liberate Palestine or something you would try taking over Jordan if it was that serious as forum members make it seem like here.

What's the relevance of their power before the conflict? Did Iran yield more or less influence before this internal conflict?

It's very relevant, Iran adapted to situation in Syria and did not plan anything. Syria was stronger than Hezbollah before and there is no attempt to replicate a Hezbollah in Syria against Israel. Your game plan in Syria was emergency measures to protect the regime and maintain its standing. For Hezbollah it was to protect their border and to secure an key ally for them.

The issue here is your expectations regarding with this "proving" is. To those that are watching the situation with a clear view, it is obvious what is happening. You lot think Hezbollah/Syria not replying to few Israeli strikes means they do not want a conflict with Israel at all. Obviously, the reluctance in retaliating is because Syria Army and allies in Syria are in is no position to attack at this time. All retaliation will do is invite more US presence etc right now. Why sacrifice your long term plans for a few short term glory kills?

Actually it's hundreds of sorties and thousands of strikes over past few years.

It is not about my expectations, it is about your guys narrative building on this forum that is also spread in domestic ME arena. You guys simply do not tell the truth about your intentions. Just tell the truth and no one will care. There is no long term plan for Israel, there is a long term plan for Iran to go nuclear and Hezbollah is just used as deterrent for Iran against Israel. Hamas is used so Iran can narrative build along with its allies in Iraq, Yemen, Bahrain and other Arab arenas it seeks to amass influence over through its Shia allies.

Other than that there is nothing. No liberation of Palestine or no planned assault on Israel. But forum members here can't admit that and lambast Arabs for not launching an assault on Israel.

Inshallah, rightly so. But the Guardians of the Jews , KSA and Egypt , will be there to protect them.

KSA and Egypt are guardian of the Jews, how? Because they don't answer to Iran's leadership? What kind of logic is that?

 

[Philosopher]

Maybe part of supporting Hezbollah was to protect vulnerable Shia community of Lebanon at the time? Other than that Hezbollah seems more of a deterrence for Iran's nuclear program.

Creations of Hezbollah was directly to counter Israel. Obviously a powerful group like Hezbollah can achieve other functions, but I am talking at the inception of Hezbollah.

As for Palestinians in Gaza, they are supported by Iran for popular reasons as it helps Iran narrative build against regional enemies.

I think you're under the impression that Iran truly does not care about Israel. You're very wrong. There is certainly a genuine hatred against the Zionist regime in Iran. Just because Iran's Anti-Zionist stance may have garnered it support in the past it does not mean it is all for show.

Other than that, not sure what long term game plan you are talking about that relates to Israel.

The answer to this question lies in the book written by Mr Khamenei himself. You can read it directly from him.

You seem to try to tie everything to Israel instead of just being honest that Yemen, Iraq are related to your national interests and power projection against KSA and nothing to do with Israel.

No, not at all. Iran's regional interest clearly do not just involve Israel. At the end of the day, all nations try to project their own interest. Iran has shown the ability to do that, that's one of the reason it is being demonised for it.

If you guys wanted to liberate Palestine or something you would try taking over Jordan if it was that serious as forum members make it seem like here.

Liberating Palestine is not an easy task, it does not mean the desire is not there.

It's very relevant, Iran adapted to situation in Syria and did not plan anything. Syria was stronger than Hezbollah before and there is no attempt to replicate a Hezbollah in Syria against Israel. Your game plan in Syria was emergency measures to protect the regime and maintain its standing. For Hezbollah it was to protect their border and to secure an key ally for them.

You're missing the key point that back then, Iran did not yield that much influence in Syria. What makes you think Iran could have created like Hezbollah in Syria back then?

Actually it's hundreds of sorties and thousands of strikes over past few years.

Yes, buy my point still stands.

It is not about my expectations, it is about your guys narrative building on this forum that is also spread in domestic ME arena. You guys simply do not tell the truth about your intentions. Just tell the truth and no one will care.

I have told you nothing but the truth here, whether you accept it or not is not really my responsibility.

There is no long term plan for Israel,

Once again, read the book by Khamenei.

there is a long term plan for Iran to go nuclear and Hezbollah is just used as deterrent for Iran against Israel.

Hezbollah can serve that goal but you're missing the main long term goal as far as Israel is concerned.

Hamas is used so Iran can narrative build along with its allies in Iraq, Yemen, Bahrain and other Arab arenas it seeks to amass influence over through its Shia allies

.

Iran uses Shia not because it only cares about Shia, but because naturally they're more pro-Iran. You think if Iran could have wielded more influence in the Sunni world, that it would not?

Other than that there is nothing. No liberation of Palestine or no planned assault on Israel. But forum members here can't admit that and lambast Arabs for not launching an assault on Israel.

No, you're wrong. Iran right now is in no position to liberate Palestine, but don't confuse that with it not wanting to.

 

[Falcon29]

Creations of Hezbollah was directly to counter Israel. Obviously a powerful group like Hezbollah can achieve other functions, but I am talking at the inception of Hezbollah.

There are more than one factor to supporting Hezbollah in Lebanon, you did not create them they were existing but you supported them from there. Some of it was to protect Shia community of Lebanon during civil war, other part was to counter Israeli occupation, then to maintain influence in Lebanon and have Hezbollah as effective deterrent against Israel which does work. If Hezbollah wasn't there, there could have been a strike on your nuclear program because it's more difficult for you guys to respond to them rather than their neighbor who can unleash lots of firepower on them.

I think you're under the impression that Iran truly does not care about Israel. You're very wrong. There is certainly a genuine hatred against the Zionist regime in Iran. Just because Iran's Anti-Zionist stance may have garnered it support in the past it does not mean it is all for show.

I don't believe it's for a show, Iran and Israel have competing interests in the region. Iran wants to assert itself as leader of region while Israel would prefer status quo in region rather than nuclear arms race. Other than that though it has its limits, you will do what you need to deter Israel/US from your nuclear program. It won't become more than that.

The answer to this question lies in the book written by Mr Khamenei himself. You can read it directly from him.

He has religious audience he needs to pander to. At end of day, however, he is rational and not taking upon himself or Iran to do the unimaginable.

No, not at all. Iran's regional interest clearly do not just involve Israel. At the end of the day, all nations try to project their own interest. Iran has shown the ability to do that, that's one of the reason it is being demonised for it.

Well that is my point, Iran has long term interests and like any other country out there seek to build a stronger nation that will produce tech in future, weapons, infrastructure, innovation and have boosted tourism industry. It is not a country or people that is willing to sacrifice themselves or their history/national identity in order to challenge major powers.

And by sacrifice I don't mean they will be on receiving end of destruction, I mean letting go of their desires to be like any other normal country that continues to advance in fields and is intended to follow a similar model to other nations for the long term. Continue cherishing their national identity and bettering their nation. It's not something they want to throw away.

Liberating Palestine is not an easy task, it does not mean the desire is not there.

Well for me desires don't define much, lots of people desires things but won't go out their way to satisfy these desires unless they are sincerely dedicated. Iran does not prioritize liberating Palestine(they don't need to), it prioritizes advancing itself as a nation and to continue through next chapters of Persian history or chapters of Persian civilization which is dear to them and like Japan, Turkey, Spain, Israel, etc.... They are looking to the future which is clinging on to their identity and history and creating new history.

Such people will not undertake riskier adventures and thus lack sincerity. Or they are overstating their cause. You and other Iranians for example, do not envision Iran entering a civilization war in the Middle East(that will change reality of it) that will risk everything on the table, even possibly Iran's sovereignty, because your country and identity is dearer to you. You want to preserve Persian civilization.

Just like the Turks who want to preserve Turkish civilization. Such an risky adventure requires people to fight for an ideological cause in which said ideology is a priority over national identity.

What you really envision is a region very similar to what we have today, in which most nations remain standing and Iran will only undergo such adventure of liberating Palestine in the event Israel was somehow severely weakened and Iran had the least to lose.

Iran uses Shia not because it only cares about Shia, but because naturally they're more pro-Iran. You think if Iran could have wielded more influence in the Sunni world, that it would not?

Well really your leadership is mostly to blame for missed opportunities in Sunni world as they insist of spreading their beliefs in Sunni areas it seeks influence in.

No, you're wrong. Iran right now is in no position to liberate Palestine, but don't confuse that with it not wanting to.

Well like I said, everyone will have wants and desires. Most people on this forum will say they want Palestine liberated but it doesn't mean anything.

There is no reason why any people in region or from Muslim world to liberate Palestine if it is not ideological. Unless some catastrophic war occurs in which Israel/US is blamed and people are forced into such a situation. Otherwise there would need to be an ideological motive and people need to be ready for socio-political change in the region.

Biggest change being say goodbye to your national identity, no longer living with philosophy of attachment to certain civilization and bettering it for the future.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Lets assume those facts are correct. If 4 missiles failed during the firing state and 1 failed to explode, then how does that count in terms of missiles missing their targets i.e accuracy? Furthermore, you're trying to pretend as if you know what Iran was targeting in order to claim it missed that targets. This is the level of accuracy we're talking:

Of course it counts as missiles missing their target, are you honestly that dumb?

It's even worse than simply missing the target. You measure accuracy by bullets fired and bullets hit, not what happened to them mid flight due to their own design.

Doesn't change the facts, 17 missiles were fired, 11 missiles even got to the target vicinity and only 5 hit structures, which might not have been their intended targets anyways, thus, at most 29% accuracy.

Ah the good old "we'll nuke you back" argument.

Which is a valid one considering the Iranian objective is to wipe us out. Not that they're capable of, but I would expect nothing less if they're going full schizo with ballistic missiles at us.

I am afraid you're the one not getting the simple issue of time scale. We're talking about the lack of response from Syria and non-Syrian groups today and you're talking about decades ago.

I'm afraid you're not intelligent enough to understand that Syria's current situation is not a factor in regards to a response against an Israeli airstrike because we have been bombing them for decades *non-stop*, from the 80s until now. not decades ago.

S-300 is most definitely under Russian control. And the S-300 is not a silver bullet system, as you can see, Israel is using tactics to avoid being in it's eyes.

That's a lie, Russia already had the S-300 and S-400 for many years in Syria, then they sold the S-300 to the Syrians after the Russian IL20 that was thought to be an Israeli F-16.

You're telling me the Syrian air defense force that claims to shoot down an Israeli F-35 and like a dozen F-16s with the S-200 cannot do the same against an F-16 with the S-300?

You can choose to believe claims without facts, but we're may not be so willing to buy everything your government or intelligence claims.

Says the man whose government claims to have killed 80 Americans in the bombing in Iraq

 

[Rukarl]

There are more than one factor to supporting Hezbollah in Lebanon, you did not create them they were existing but you supported them from there. Some of it was to protect Shia community of Lebanon during civil war, other part was to counter Israeli occupation, then to maintain influence in Lebanon and have Hezbollah as effective deterrent against Israel which does work. If Hezbollah wasn't there, there could have been a strike on your nuclear program because it's more difficult for you guys to respond to them rather than their neighbor who can unleash lots of firepower on them.



I don't believe it's for a show, Iran and Israel have competing interests in the region. Iran wants to assert itself as leader of region while Israel would prefer status quo in region rather than nuclear arms race. Other than that though it has its limits, you will do what you need to deter Israel/US from your nuclear program. It won't become more than that.



He has religious audience he needs to pander to. At end of day, however, he is rational and not taking upon himself or Iran to do the unimaginable.



Well that is my point, Iran has long term interests and like any other country out there seek to build a stronger nation that will produce tech in future, weapons, infrastructure, innovation and have boosted tourism industry. It is not a country or people that is willing to sacrifice themselves or their history/national identity in order to challenge major powers.

And by sacrifice I don't mean they will be on receiving end of destruction, I mean letting go of their desires to be like any other normal country that continues to advance in fields and is intended to follow a similar model to other nations for the long term. Continue cherishing their national identity and bettering their nation. It's not something they want to throw away.



Well for me desires don't define much, lots of people desires things but won't go out their way to satisfy these desires unless they are sincerely dedicated. Iran does not prioritize liberating Palestine(they don't need to), it prioritizes advancing itself as a nation and to continue through next chapters of Persian history or chapters of Persian civilization which is dear to them and like Japan, Turkey, Spain, Israel, etc.... They are looking to the future which is clinging on to their identity and history and creating new history.

Such people will not undertake riskier adventures and thus lack sincerity. Or they are overstating their cause. You and other Iranians for example, do not envision Iran entering a civilization war in the Middle East(that will change reality of it) that will risk everything on the table, even possibly Iran's sovereignty, because your country and identity is dearer to you. You want to preserve Persian civilization.

Just like the Turks who want to preserve Turkish civilization. Such an risky adventure requires people to fight for an ideological cause in which said ideology is a priority over national identity.

What you really envision is a region very similar to what we have today, in which most nations remain standing and Iran will only undergo such adventure of liberating Palestine in the event Israel was somehow severely weakened and Iran had the least to lose.




Well really your leadership is mostly to blame for missed opportunities in Sunni world as they insist of spreading their beliefs in Sunni areas it seeks influence in.



Well like I said, everyone will have wants and desires. Most people on this forum will say they want Palestine liberated but it doesn't mean anything.

There is no reason why any people in region or from Muslim world to liberate Palestine if it is not ideological. Unless some catastrophic war occurs in which Israel/US is blamed and people are forced into such a situation. Otherwise there would need to be an ideological motive and people need to be ready for socio-political change in the region.

Biggest change being say goodbye to your national identity, no longer living with philosophy of attachment to certain civilization and bettering it for the future.

It is clear by your posts that you are heavily disappointed that Iran is not firing thousands of BM's on Israel right now. Why should they ?

What have the Arab countries in the Persian gulf done to counter Israel except cozying up to them ?

We can't enter a direct war with Israel because the risk of bringing the war to the Iranian mainland becomes too high. Won't risk that until the Persian gulf states stop cozying up to Israel and form a united front.

Till then, it is what it is. Simple as that.

 

[Falcon29]

It is clear by your posts that you are heavily disappointed that Iran is not firing thousands of BM's on Israel right now. Why should they ?

What have the Arab countries in the Persian gulf done to counter Israel except cozying up to them ?

We can't enter a direct war with Israel because the risk of bringing the war to the Iranian mainland becomes too high. Won't risk that until the Persian gulf states stop cozying up to Israel and form a united front.

Till then, it is what it is. Simple as that.

Why should I be disappointed? Iran doesn't need to do anything. I am, however, giving accurate representation of Iranian policy in region in order to counter fantasy land some members live in.

 

[Rukarl]

Why should I be disappointed? Iran doesn't need to do anything. I am, however, giving accurate representation of Iranian policy in region in order to counter fantasy land some members live in.

As a non-Arab nation, Iran has done enough for Palestinians, even much more than some Arab states. Enough said.

 

[Falcon29]

As a non-Arab nation, Iran has done enough for Palestinians, even much more than some Arab states. Enough said.

You don't seem to get it, no one is asking Iran to do anything. We are giving people reality of Iranian policies in region which in most cases has nothing to do with Israel. Problem is members on this forum who pretend otherwise.

 

[Rukarl]

You don't seem to get it, no one is asking Iran to do anything. We are giving people reality of Iranian policies in region which in most cases has nothing to do with Israel. Problem is members on this forum who pretend otherwise.

You are saying Iran is not doing anything for Palestine, it is just pursuing its own interests. That is false.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Iran Threatens Israel With 'Crushing Response' to Action Against Its Mideast Interests

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...o-action-against-regional-interests-1.8527939



Maybe part of supporting Hezbollah was to protect vulnerable Shia community of Lebanon at the time? Other than that Hezbollah seems more of a deterrence for Iran's nuclear program.

As for Palestinians in Gaza, they are supported by Iran for popular reasons as it helps Iran narrative build against regional enemies.

Other than that, not sure what long term game plan you are talking about that relates to Israel. You seem to try to tie everything to Israel instead of just being honest that Yemen, Iraq are related to your national interests and power projection against KSA and nothing to do with Israel.

If you guys wanted to liberate Palestine or something you would try taking over Jordan if it was that serious as forum members make it seem like here.



It's very relevant, Iran adapted to situation in Syria and did not plan anything. Syria was stronger than Hezbollah before and there is no attempt to replicate a Hezbollah in Syria against Israel. Your game plan in Syria was emergency measures to protect the regime and maintain its standing. For Hezbollah it was to protect their border and to secure an key ally for them.




Actually it's hundreds of sorties and thousands of strikes over past few years.

It is not about my expectations, it is about your guys narrative building on this forum that is also spread in domestic ME arena. You guys simply do not tell the truth about your intentions. Just tell the truth and no one will care. There is no long term plan for Israel, there is a long term plan for Iran to go nuclear and Hezbollah is just used as deterrent for Iran against Israel. Hamas is used so Iran can narrative build along with its allies in Iraq, Yemen, Bahrain and other Arab arenas it seeks to amass influence over through its Shia allies.

Other than that there is nothing. No liberation of Palestine or no planned assault on Israel. But forum members here can't admit that and lambast Arabs for not launching an assault on Israel.



KSA and Egypt are guardian of the Jews, how? Because they don't answer to Iran's leadership? What kind of logic is that?

You know? I like you. Always objective and straight forward. Wish more people were like you here.

 

[Falcon29]

You are saying Iran is not doing anything for Palestine, it is just pursuing its own interests. That is false.

I am saying that Iranian policies in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Bahrain, Nigeria, etc... are not part of an Iranian grand policy against Israel. What makes a militia/tribe go on conquest of Yemen, for example? I understand if they have legitimate qualms with government or form of government, but when you go far beyond what is deemed necessary and your leadership is pushing out rhetoric that suggests he has ulterior motives then you can see what Iranian sectarian policies are. And it is not about Israel.

 

[Beny Karachun]

You are saying Iran is not doing anything for Palestine, it is just pursuing its own interests. That is false.

I don't think he said that.
I think he means that if liberating Palestine was all that meaningful to Iran, it would have done it already, provided it has the calability to do so or course.

But he says it's not, and that people in this forum think Iran is just going to launch all of it's ballistic missiles as a part of some great plan Iran has worked out for decades now.

 

[Rukarl]

I am saying that Iranian policies in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Bahrain, Nigeria, etc... are not part of an Iranian grand policy against Israel. What makes a militia/tribe go on conquest of Yemen, for example? I understand if they have legitimate qualms with government or form of government, but when you go far beyond what is deemed necessary and your leadership is pushing out rhetoric that suggests he has ulterior motives then you can see what Iranian sectarian policies are. And it is not about Israel.

I think you are too young and don't understand who is fighting for what cause. Every group or country you mentioned till now have all legitimate reasons.

Nigeria ? Since when is Iran involved in Nigeria ?

I don't think he said that.
I think he means that if liberating Palestine was all that meaningful to Iran, it would have done it already, provided it has the calability to do so or course.

But he says it's not, and that people in this forum think Iran is just going to launch all of it's ballistic missiles as a part of some great plan Iran has worked out for decades now.

We don't need to liberate Palestine by our own hands. Like i said, as non-Arabs we have done enough for them, more than their own Arab brothers.