The curious case of UAE statement

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

not sure what anyone expected a positive statement from UAE.
but someone ought to tag the asshole ambassadors with what is going on.But then thay are all kanjars & baigharats so let them be. As long as Pakistan & Kashmiris believe in their cause, we will give them hell.

 

[Dubious]

When you argue with someone, Don't let your moderation come in the way. Debates should only be censored if they violate Forum rules. You cant let your bias come in the way.If your patience is running out, then don't debate so that you can perform a better moderator job

If you have no clue about a subject you shouldn't put your leg in it.
Some of the comments were moved from a different thread and have been resolved you beating a dead issue is desperation at most...

 

[The Eagle]

The problem my dear friend is you can window dress this as much as you want. But. but it won't alter one fact. sometimes being neutral is not being neutral. If my friend had a argumant with another person my involvement would not be neutral. It would be biased. Next time israel thumps the Palestinians do you think a neutral statement by Pak FM would be acceptable? Like "Pakistan implores both Israel and Palestinians to show restraint and has full confidence both sides will resolve the matter"?

Yes, you can say that UAE is looking through the prism of profit/loss and becaudse of that it has to be wary that it does not offend India. That would be fine. At least there would be non of this intoxicated rubbish about "brotherhood" flying around. Thus far only China has been forthright in it's statement. Followed by Turkey. This should teach everybody the misplaced idea of ummah. As people can see there is no correlation between Muslim countries and support on Kashmir. As I already stated thus far the athiests in Beijing have been the most robust in support of Kashmir.

All this exposes threadbare how geo-politics works. Self interest. Profit/loss. Not religions.

We have two statements at hand to evaluate. At least I wouldn't take one to judge friendship like this.

Furthermore, a neutral statement does favour Kashmir cause which has to be resolved through bilateral agreement and in view of UNSC resolution. In current times, one shouldn't expect such blunt friends of the street type favours but there are lot of forces working in close proximity together to help out each other. The Ummah thing is just a brain tumor of few that made it a taunt to vent frustration due to some other reasons. By definition of Brotherhood, every Muslim is responsible for the safety of others and one will not be held answerable for the wrong of other Muslim so whatever happening diplomatically is not the exact situation of whatever being dealt behind closed doors.

People may be reading too much into whatever being told but there are things happening based upon Muslim cooperation.

You can stand to your point of view but it doesn't mean the facts or exact position. People have been proven wrong time and again in this regard. The Ummah taunt is nothing but a vicious justification of fascist liberals to mock Islam at large.

Had it been the case of stance of whole State of UAE, I will recommend you to read in detail about resident evils within Pakistan that leaves no chance to divide Pakistan and create rift within our ranks as well as with our foreign friends. You will come to know that how many of them have poisoned our relations due to their own idiocy so by the same, shall everyone start boycotting Pakistan? No, it doesn't happen that way rather we make adjustments and update our friends to make them understand. The profit loss argument or any other childish game, is too weak to begin with let alone treating the same to design our foreign diplomacy.

Using cellphone so I am unable to proof read hence, pardon any typo/mistake.

 

[The SC]

There's nothing against Pakistan in the statement, which appears more out of context.
However, if some one in GoP believes otherwise, than it should be taken up at official level!
Why all the storm is limited to this forum and simmering ever since.

Regarding Gulf News it's a privately owned news agency and they have loads of foreign staff, they have sales and following of among Indians.
I totally brand this news as editor's skills, just to please some one. I see nothing official here!
We should also consider, how other news reported that instance, at least one more!

At the same time, we all know GCC do not believe in interfering in constitutional matters of any foreign state. Neither they expect others to interfere in their constitutional affairs.

The same official statement as the UAE:
Saudi Arabia Calls for Peace in Kashmir

Thursday, 8 August, 2019 - 04:45

Asharq Al-Awsat

Saudi Arabia has urged parties to the conflict in the Kashmir region to maintain peace and stability.

The Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by the Saudi Press Agency that the Kingdom is following up the situation in Jammu and Kashmir resulting from India's abolition of Article 370 of the Constitution, which guarantees the region’s autonomy.

While expressing its concern over the latest developments, the Kingdom affirms that the conflict should be settled peacefully in line with the relevant international resolutions, a Foreign Ministry source said.

The Kingdom calls on the parties concerned to maintain peace and stability in the region and to take into account the interests of its people, the source added, according to SPA.

https://aawsat.com/english/home/article/1848676/saudi-arabia-calls-peace-kashmir

 

[waz]

Look let's just leave analysing the statements.

The thing here is that the ambassadors of every other Muslim nation have stayed mute in India e.g. Saudi, Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia etc yet this Banna felt the need to rubber stamp India's move.
Ok it's personal opinion, hasn't this idiot been told that any statement from a serving government official can be taken as state policy?
Right let's say it was a mistake and the UAE statement (which sugar coats the issue.) corrects everything, why hasn't the ambassador being reprimanded, removed etc. This is an immense gaff.

 

[BATMAN]

Look let's just leave analysing the statements.

The thing here is that the ambassadors of every other Muslim nation have stayed mute in India e.g. Saudi, Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia etc yet this Banna felt the need to rubber stamp India's move.
Ok it's personal opinion, hasn't this idiot been told that any statement from a serving government official can be taken as state policy?
Right let's say it was a mistake and the UAE statement (which sugar coats the issue.) corrects everything, why hasn't the ambassador being reprimanded, removed etc. This is an immense gaff.

Indian rubber stamp for you:
"We are concerned about reports of detentions and urge respect for individual rights and discussion with those in affected communities,"

Keep living in some virtual world.

 

[war&peace]

Look let's just leave analysing the statements.

The thing here is that the ambassadors of every other Muslim nation have stayed mute in India e.g. Saudi, Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia etc yet this Banna felt the need to rubber stamp India's move.
Ok it's personal opinion, hasn't this idiot been told that any statement from a serving government official can be taken as state policy?
Right let's say it was a mistake and the UAE statement (which sugar coats the issue.) corrects everything, why hasn't the ambassador being reprimanded, removed etc. This is an immense gaff.

Bro you won't get a straight answer but a label of being hater ...may be you get spared because you're a mod but if you were not then definitely you would have that label stuck on your forehead.

 

[BATMAN]

@The SC
Note the overwhelming hypocrisy.

 

[waz]

Indian rubber stamp for you:
"We are concerned about reports of detentions and urge respect for individual rights and discussion with those in affected communities,"

Keep living in some virtual world.

State the source.
As for me living in the virtual world, I probably do more in a week for our causes than you done in a year...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Look let's just leave analysing the statements.

The thing here is that the ambassadors of every other Muslim nation have stayed mute in India e.g. Saudi, Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia etc yet this Banna felt the need to rubber stamp India's move.
Ok it's personal opinion, hasn't this idiot been told that any statement from a serving government official can be taken as state policy?
Right let's say it was a mistake and the UAE statement (which sugar coats the issue.) corrects everything, why hasn't the ambassador being reprimanded, removed etc. This is an immense gaff.

I am sorry but even 'neutral' is a insult. Leave asides the Pakistan and India power posturing. Can we just for a second look objectively at Kashmir and Kashmiri's?

• 8 million Kashmiri.
  
• 35,000 soldiers moved into the Valley on top of 10s of Ks already there.
  
• Entire Valley turned into a open prison.
  
• Communications cut.
• No internet
• Curfew imposed
• All Kashmiri leaders arrested
• etc

Does this fcukin look like "neutral' to you? And parties to the conflict? Excuse me I did not know the Kashmiri's have a army fighting the Indian Army? Excuse me did they send 35,000 soldiers to New Delhi. This statement makes it look like two equal sides have boot up each others sides. the reality is millions of civilians are under the boot of Indian Army.

There is no "parties to the conflict". There is ONLY victims and abusers. Would anybody here have the cruality to call Palestinan victims in West Bank and IDF soldiers as "parties to conflict" and adhere to neutrality between IDF occupiers and Palestian vicxtims? Seriously. This picture remind you of what is happening in the Valley??? Only worse. At least West Bank is open to media.

 

[BATMAN]

State the source.
As for me living in the virtual world, I probably do more in a week for our causes than you done in a year...

I only know of one source i.e. gulf news there i don't find anything stated by ambassador against Pakistan. This is why i said virtual world where you read anti Pakistan statement, which are non existent in real world.

Apparently ambassador is being answering some unknown questions, by unknown reporter.

 

[Kaniska]

If any of my friend is neutral in my conflict with my neighour then either i am wrong in determining who is friend or foe or i have hurt the sentiment of my friend for which he is neutral in my conflict with my rivals.

So Pakistan has to find our what can be the reaso out of the 2..

 

[Longhorn]

I don't know why we are looking to others for support and help. Every country in the world regardless of religion or geographical proximity is concerned with one thing and one thing only, it's own perceived interest.
We have got into this rut of looking to others to bail us out, whether on economic or diplomatic issues.
No one is going to do it for us.
We are paying for decades of incompetence, dishonesty, corruption, maladministration and injustice.
Our ruling classes have neglected to forge a coherent, united narrative or consensus. They have neglected to take decisions in the best interests of Pakistan and Pakistanis. We have failed to fix the roof when the sun was shining.
The only way left for us is to fight. I agree with what Fawad Chaudry said in his speech that wars are not fought to be won or lost, they are fought for the dignity of nations. It is better go have fought and lost than never fought at all. At the very least we need to arm the Kashmiris in defiance of the threat of war from the Indians. If a war is then imposed on us the result will be far from a foregone conclusion.
Pakistan stands at a crossroads. One path leads to respect, dignity and a vindication of Pakistan's entire raison d'etre the other to perpetual humiliation and irrelevance,
If we fail to stand up now for our beliefs and rights then we will continue to be the whipping boy for the world which our political masters have conspired to turn us into.

 

[Khafee]

State the source.
As for me living in the virtual world, I probably do more in a week for our causes than you done in a year...

Not true. @BATMAN with help from Pindi was instrumental in initiating a crackdown on this in Switzerland.

Just because he doesn't blow his own trumpet, you shouldn't insult him.

 

[Vapnope]

The last thing we need from so called muslim brother countries are homeopathic statements which in turn are in favor of India.

There is complete censorship in valley, food and medicine supplies are cut. The official word is to keep Kashmiri casualty figure below 10k and here these people are telling to maintain peace. Why don't they tell India to lift curfew if they are that much concerned about the situation? Why not raise this issue of pallet guns being used at protestors?

We have a problem with Malala's statement but we never grew a spine to call out these friendly countries siding with India almost everytime.