India, Russia ink S-400 missile system deal

[Hindustani78]

My bad, of course. We don't have any countermeasures against Pakistani response.

There are already underground chambers constructed by the Indian engineering corps for reloading of the Air Defenses batteries.

If all goes according to plan, Indian S-400 will be operational in next few years.
Just like to add another aspect.
Pakistan successfully conducted the test of it's Ababeel MIRV capable missile some two years earlier.....next.

So both the Iranian and Pakistani Military are having Ababil Missiles. Iranian are having even Ababil UAVs Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industrial Company (HESA) located at Shahin Shahr, Isfahan.

Iraqi Military - Ababil-100 program for indigenous development and production of surface-to-surface missiles with ranges between 100 and 150 kilometers on par Volga/SA-2 surface-to-air missile system to a surface-to-surface application with a range of over 100 kilometers.

A single nuke detonated in upper atmosphere will cripple the entire s400 system due to emf, without inflicting any direct human casualties.

Indian Space Research Organisation Satellites are placed on upper higher orbit 585 kms above , Russian Military and Chinese Military doesnt have missiles to knock down Indian Satellites but Indian Armed Forces do have capablities to knock down Chinese Military and Russian Military Satellites.

China's Jilin-1 satellite in orbit 332 miles (535 kilometers) above Earth.

 

[Ultima Thule]

There are already underground chambers constructed by the Indian engineering corps for reloading of the Air Defenses batteries.



So both the Iranian and Pakistani Military are having Ababil Missiles. Iranian are having even Ababil UAVs Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industrial Company (HESA) located at Shahin Shahr, Isfahan.

Iraqi Military - Ababil-100 program for indigenous development and production of surface-to-surface missiles with ranges between 100 and 150 kilometers on par Volga/SA-2 surface-to-air missile system to a surface-to-surface application with a range of over 100 kilometers.

Ababeel is a MIRV BM with a range of 2200 km, go live in your fairy tales, fantasy world @Hindustani78

 

[Hindustani78]

Ababeel is a MIRV BM with a range of 2200 km, go live in your fairy tales, fantasy world @Hindustani78

September, 22, 2017 - 12:17

Khorramshahr ballistic missile has a range of 2,000 kilometers with ability to carry 1,800 kilograms multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRV), he added.

 

[Ultima Thule]

September, 22, 2017 - 12:17

Khorramshahr ballistic missile has a range of 2,000 kilometers with ability to carry 1,800 kilograms multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRV), he added.

Yo don't know what is you talking about both are different @Hindustani78

Ababeel is a solid fuel missile but Iranian one is liquid fuel missile @Hindustani78

and Ababeel tested before this Iranian missile @Hindustani78

 

[Hindustani78]

Yo don't know what is you talking about both are different @Hindustani78

Ababeel is a solid fuel missile but Iranian one is liquid fuel missile @Hindustani78

and Ababeel tested before this Iranian missile @Hindustani78

Iraqi Military Ababil Missile System is already operational, certain Baath party Iraqi Missile scientists have shifted to Iran and have contributed alot for the Iranian Missile programme but will these missile technology is not helping Russian and Chinese Missile programme.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Iraqi Military Ababil Missile System is already operational, certain Baath party Iraqi Missile scientists have shifted to Iran and have contributed alot for the Iranian Missile programme but will these missile technology is not helping Russian and Chinese Missile programme.

what fool you're @Hindustani78

i'm talking about PAKISTANI ABABEEL BM WHICH EQUIPPED WITH MIRV NOT IRAQI AND IRANIAN BM @Hindustani78

 

[waz]

Cant keep your bigoted upbringing against religion out of discussion.consideing all those Ignorant animals that thanked you also enjoy insulting religion?

Folks, the “Pakistani” @alee92nawaz celebrates the death of Pakistanis by thanking this post . shall we trace and post his address via IP here ?

Well I had him wrong @Peshwa, didn't take him for the bigoted type. I guess the 'Modi effect' is stronger than we thought.

Anyway staying on the topic of virginity, the S-400 certainly did behave like a virgin on its maiden test in combat;
-It missed the targets.
-Shot it's load at nothing.
-Failed to live up to the occasion.

The US went in and saturated the place with missiles, the Israelis come and go as they please, I guess the S-400 has the flue, or the many other default reasons e.g. wasn't switched on, the Russians weren't aiming at US jets blah blah.

 

[Nilgiri]

Well I had him wrong @Peshwa, didn't take him for the bigoted type. I guess the 'Modi effect' is stronger than we thought.

Anyway staying on the topic of virginity, the S-400 certainly did behave like a virgin on its maiden test in combat;
-It missed the targets.
-Shot it's load at nothing.
-Failed to live up to the occasion.

The US went in and saturated the place with missiles, the Israelis come and go as they please, I guess the S-400 has the flue, or the many other default reasons e.g. wasn't switched on, the Russians weren't aiming at US jets blah blah.

All systems can be countered. It just depends on how much you deploy intensity wise. US/NATO is one of few that can do that (esp power projection wise)....but also helped by S-400 network not being quite calibrated/grounded (as they are in a home area) when deployed in foreign area. C4I intensity/sensititivity really counts for a lot in the high value/high cap systems.

 

[waz]

All systems can be countered. It just depends on how much you deploy intensity wise. US/NATO is one of few that can do that (esp power projection wise)....but also helped by S-400 network not being quite calibrated/grounded (as they are in a home area) when deployed in foreign area. C4I intensity/sensititivity really counts for a lot in the high value/high cap systems.

Fair points bruv, nothing is a magic bullet and there are other factors at play.

 

[American Pakistani]

dear buffoon, I have been banned numerous times for lesser offences.

Which, buffoon, you might've initiated, unlike here.

 

[Osiris]

Usually , in such situation, enemy launch multiple dummy object or target drone and waste the defence system. But Pakistan has opportunity to test this system in China and test the defence mechanism . Also , every weapon has effective range and detecting range. Effective range , where weapon operator sure that it will hit the target. Even BVR missile with 150 km doesn't mean it will hit the target, it has to come close to target for effective strike.

Firstly every object has distinct radar signature. Radar signature of a JF-17 differs that from that of F-16, which in turn differs that from a drone. Radars these days have inbuilt threat library, which stores the radar signature of different aircrafts/missiles/drones etc. and when needed compare that to incoming threat and positively identify them.

Regardless of the fact, a low subsonic target drones or dummy decoys will flying at a much lower speed than fighter aircraft intending launch ARM.

Regardless of the fact S400 will not be a stand alone system, will be part of much wider air defence network consisting of Fighter aircrafts(to shoot down drone without giving up SAM positions), Akash , Spyder, Barak -8, AAD and PDV.

A JF 17 will be positively identified as soon as it takes off from anywhere in Pakistan, and so will the decoy drones.

A single S400 systems has 4 radars working in conjunction in each other so as to launch and guide 72 missiles at the same time.

So if you have 73 JF-17 and MAR-1 missiles to spare, such that they can launch a co-ordinated attack to overwhelm the defenses on a single S400 system, then of-course you have a solid chance.
Obviously this is based on the hypothesis the S400 system will be working alone without other IAF assets at its disposal.

Weather Chinese will allow you to test against their most advanced SAM, weather you will be able to find any weaknesses to exploit - is all conjecture.

The fact here is the Effective range of Pakistan ARM missiles is 3-4 times shorter than the effective range of S400 missiles.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Well it was ur minister that was crying in UN over India getting S400, saying pak also has a good relationship with Russia so they should consider that.
Let me tell u something, when it comes to India or Pak, nobody gives a shit to Pak probably except china, but then again in trade they would also choose India. Let this reality dawn on u like it has dawned on Pak govt which is why to garner attention they are now accusing Indian govt of using chemical weapons in Kashmir.

You are another buffoon. USA and China are battling out for influence in Pakistan over CPEC.

Pakistan has a geostrategic location. What does India have? A large consumer market and thats it!

 

[danger007]

You are another buffoon. USA and China are battling out for influence in Pakistan over CPEC.

Pakistan has a geostrategic location. What does India have? A large consumer market and thats it!

Strategic location?? US want you guys work for them in Afghan... oh please on what basis. You are saying strategic location? As you guys located right next Afghan?? Do you forget US famous dialogue " Do more".. please tell me how much the so called Strategic location helped your economy..

 

[MultaniGuy]

Strategic location?? US want you guys work for them in Afghan... oh please on what basis. You are saying strategic location? As you guys located right next Afghan?? Do you forget US famous dialogue " Do more".. please tell me how much the so called Strategic location helped your economy..

CPEC you ignorant person. USA is worried about that.

Secondly Pakistan has no to do doing more.

Nice try though.

 

[danger007]

CPEC you ignorant person. USA is worried about that.

Secondly Pakistan has no to do doing more.

Nice try though.

USA is worried about BRI, the chinese initiative.. and chinese motive... cpec is just a project ...Pak yet looking for bailout package from IMF.... feeling proud because other countries trying to gain influence over you... abusing won't help you...