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Which nationalities participated in Imam Hosein's (AS) اربعین ?

@mohammad45 Thanks for sharing the pictures and highlighting the event. My cousin is in Karbala right now taking part in Arbaeen procession and my immediate family is in Damascus to commemorate Arbaeen. We were told that Damascus airport is closed and damaged sadly so pilgrims had to transit through Beirut-Damascus by bus. I hope things don't kick off in Lebanon and they return safely IA.
 
@mohammad45 Thanks for sharing the pictures and highlighting the event. My cousin is in Karbala right now taking part in Arbaeen procession and my immediate family is in Damascus to commemorate Arbaeen. We were told that Damascus airport is closed and damaged sadly so pilgrims had to transit through Beirut-Damascus by bus. I hope things don't kick off in Lebanon and they return safely IA.
You're welcome sir

Insha'llah peace appears in Syria and our families can safely travel to both Zeynabiyya and Karbala. As we say زیارت قبول انشاالله. :)
 
and you are moral authority to distribute certificates to members that who is Muslim and who is not ? Andhere nagri mai ek aur Andha .. as i say Shut up if you don't understand my point .
Disrespectful people get insulted both in this life and hereafter...
 
Insha'llah brother,
If you come, please inform me before. I'm not a good host but i can try my best. Be my guest

That's extremely great to hear! I can't wait to meet you brother :) .. I've began saving money for my visit to Karbala and Iran. It would be the most pleasant moment of life see you.
 
That's extremely great to hear! I can't wait to meet you brother :) .. I've began saving money for my visit to Karbala and Iran. It would be the most pleasant moment of life see you.
Me too bro. I wish to meet you asap. Counting the days till that moment.

A great honor for me.

Mashhad is also a great city, please put it in your list too. Imam Reza (AS) is our generous Imam.
 
Me too bro. I wish to meet you asap. Counting the days till that moment.

A great honor for me.

Mashhad is also a great city, please put it in your list too. Imam Reza (AS) is our generous Imam.

Masshad will be the primary destination of mine in Iran brother. I am just confirming whether Iran allows for someone to visit independently for holy purpose or it just allows the carvans from Pakistan. Because someone told me that Iran won't grant me a Visa unless am accompanied by a female like Mother, Sister or Wife. Is that true?
 
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Sorry buddy, but Imam died for Islam , not for himself ... and Islam is Greater than Imam Hussain and Hasan R.S , even bigger than our Beloved Prophet Muhammad Pbuh ..

Your argument is meaningless, 'cause by your logic Allah is superior to everything else including Islam itself, Islam has come to guide us to God and God is bigger than Islam so we should not hold flag of Islam. By this logic the idea of prophethood, Quran and etc would seem unacceptable 'cause God is on the top of everything that include Imam Hussain (as) or Prophet (pbuh) and even Islam itself . . while God says in Quran :

22:32 And whoever honors the symbols of Allah - indeed, it is from the piety of hearts.

What are Symbols of Allah? and as You see we gotta honor them.

He didn't die, actually he and his family and companions were martyred to save religion of Allah against tyranny of Yazid and distortion of Islam. As I wrote the narration of Prophet (pbuh) about Imam Hussain (as) you could see how significant Imam Hussain role was regarding Islam. Prophet (pbuh) said "Hussain is from me and I am from him, whomever loves him God would love him " , first part is understandable 'casue Imam Hussain (as) was indeed grandson of Prophet (pbuh) but second part which is the important part needs to be explained. Prophet (pbuh) meant Imam Hussain (as) will revive what I brought as Islam when it was forgotten and distorted. So Prophet (pbuh) brought Islam but it could have been destroyed without Imam Hussain (as).

And I think Prophet of Islam is bigger than Islam in fact being Muslim without believing in his prophethood has no meaning. as being Muslim without believing in Imam Hussain (as) as Imam has no meaning.
Could you explain Islam minus Prophet (pbuh)?

Lanat on these illegal kids of satan.



What you expect from this Iranian drone? Thankfully we don't have such fanatics in great numbers, they are fuel to Wahhabi and Salafi movements in Muslim world.

Abu Bakr, Omar and Othman being caliphates is a historical fact but Shia believes they were not authorized to take the power or lead people by God and Prophet (pbuh) after Prophet (pbuh) departure. Lady Fatima (sa) being angry at them and not talking to them and her tomb being hidden even after 1400 years is load enough for people to think about it ... people must explain what happened to her that she daughter of Prophet (pbuh) (just in 2 months after Prophet (pbuh) departure) asked Imam Ali (AS) to bury her at night without presence of First and Second caliphates.
She is so important 'cause Prophet (pbuh) said she is the mistress of women of the heaven and is amongst household of the prophet (pbuh) who are purified from any sin by God in Quran. so if she gets angry she does it just for God.
Actually it ain't about being good or bad caliphate I mean even if they had been succeeded to extend Islam to entire planet of Earth still they should have not taken the position that they didn't deserve.
 
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Thats according to us. For our Sunni brothers, all four caliphs are termed Amir ul Momineen, considered honorable and the best among the companions of the Prophet.

I think that issue is that we all staunchly believe in what we read in our books and hear from our learned, and considered that to be only truth, when the fact is that neither one of us was present during those times. And since that is the case, it is utterly foolish to lambaste any historical personality until their evilness can be clearly demonstrated. And this is definitely not the case with the first three caliphs. We Shia might have different opinion regarding the choice of the Muslim leadership after the Prophet (and that is what Imamate/Caliphate is all about), but it should not lead to the cursing of personalities venerated by the fellow muslims brothers under any circumstances. Basically, this is not the way of the Prophet and his family.

Also, as far as the Shia historical references are concerned, it has been clearly mentioned that Imam Ali never drew sword against the three caliphs, helped them when ever asked and always gave them good advice for the benefit of Muslims. So do the people who bad mouth the caliphs want to be greater shias than Imam Ali.

Islam is from Allah swt and hence believing in self proclaimed amirol momineens as Islamic is a sin and against the teachings of Islam. Most muslims will correct themselves in due course due to rising awakening and will realize the truth. Rest who believe in whatever caliph is his own deed. some even believe in caliphate of daeshi amirol momineen abu bakr baghdadi and fighting for him.

The Imams of the Pious household of Holy Prophet PBUH are Not self-proclaimed Imams but are appointed by Allah swt and are the symbol and source of unity for the Human beings especially Muslims.

This Arbaeen march is a proof how much Imam Hussain a.s. is loved by the people from all religions.

انسان كو بيدار تو هو لينے دو (Just Let the Humans awake)
ہر قوم پکارے گی ھمارے ہیں حسینؑ (Every nation will say Hussain a.s is Ours)

Allama Dr. Iqbal and Imam Hussain 1

Allama Dr. Iqbal on Syeda Fatima and Imam Hussain 2
 
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Islam is from Allah swt and hence believing in self proclaimed amirol momineens as Islamic is a sin and against the teachings of Islam. Most muslims will correct themselves in due course due to rising awakening and will realize the truth. Rest who believe in whatever caliph is his own deed. some even believe in caliphate of daeshi amirol momineen abu bakr baghdadi and fighting for him.

The Imams of the Pious household of Holy Prophet PBUH are Not self-proclaimed Imams but are appointed by Allah swt and are the symbol and source of unity for the Human beings especially Muslims.

This Arbaeen march is a proof how much Imam Hussain a.s. is loved by the people from all religions.

انسان كو بيدار تو هو لينے دو (Just Let the Humans awake)
ہر قوم پکارے گی ھمارے ہیں حسینؑ (Every nation will say Hussain a.s is Ours)

Allama Dr. Iqbal and Imam Hussain 1

Allama Dr. Iqbal on Syeda Fatima and Imam Hussain 2

Brother, this is more of an historical issue than a religious one. None of us was present then, and therefore cannot know for sure what actually transpired. The best one can say is that this is the way he/she understands the early Islamic history.

We should not inflame an already combustible situation. Instead, the fires of hatred should be doused. Peacemakers have been blessed by Prophets through out the history. And it is even more important in these times when we have fires of sectarianism just about to engulf the whole region.

Finally, the love of the Prophet and his family (PBUT) is more important than say to judge certain historical figures about whom we can only conjecture. For me that is what really matters. And Allah is the best of the judges.
 
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Masshad will be the primary destination of mine in Iran brother. I am just confirming whether Iran allows for someone to visit independently for holy purpose or it just allows the carvans from Pakistan. Because someone told me that Iran won't grant me a Visa unless am accompanied by a female like Mother, Sister or Wife. Is that true?
As i read in this website bro, only these nationalities are allowed to visit Iran without visa, visa-free for a short time :
Syria, Turkey, Lebanon, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Bolivia, Armenia and Egypt.
http://hipersia.com/news.cfm?id=727

But others have to first visit Iranian embassy and receive the visa.

Iranian ambassador to Pakistan has made efforts to ease the process of issuing visa to Pakistani pilgrims and their family.
Translation of an other website :
http://www.irna.ir/fa/News/82711023
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Special facilities for issuing Arbaeen visas to Pakistani nationals by Iran
ISLAMABAD - IRNA - The ambassador to the Islamic Republic of Iran in Islamabad has said that expelling the issue of a health certificate for Pakistani citizens and making the affairs speed up the issuance of Arbaeen pilgrims visa, explaining the visa procedure for Pakistani pilgrims and their religious tourists.

Special facilities for issuing Arbaeen visas to Pakistani nationals by Iran
According to IRNA, the rich culture and love of the Iranian people to the martyrs have caused the Iranian people to receive the convoy of Arbaeen pilgrims from Pakistan as a brother and a beloved guest, in order not to feel alienated.

According to Iranian officials, last year, 42,000 Pakistani pilgrims arrived in Iran for participation in the ceremony of Muharram and Arbaeen through the Mir-iwa border, which is expected to increase this year.

Iran's ambassador to Pakistan, Mehdi Honarodost, said in an interview with IRNA on Saturday, explaining Iran's efforts to speed up and provide the issuing of ministries for Pakistani pilgrims, Arbaeen Hosseini, said the actions are expected to be more than 200,000 visas for Pakistani pilgrims Arbaeen will be issued at the embassy of Iran and the four Consulate General of Iran.

He removed the provision of health certificates for Pakistani citizens, increased hours of work for the Embassy's Consular Section to address Pakistani citizens' requests and electronic processes, an effective step in managing time, reducing the length of the ministry's issuance and shortening intermediaries, adding that removing profiteers And the mediation that imposed high costs on the applicant was another achievement of Iran's recent move to facilitate the issuance of visas.

Honardoust noted: In a new way, visa applicants in the country, with access to the Internet and online registration, apply for a visa and receive an appointment to the consulate in the date and time that the system offers them, and no later than two days after Delivering your documents will receive your visa.

He said the Iranian embassy in Pakistan, through the implementation of measures such as eliminating the health certificate for Pakistani citizens and receiving electronic applications, provided a lot of facilities for the pilgrims of the Atabaat aliat and holy Mashhad of that country, and in this regard, with follow up and obtaining permits In Tehran, one of the serious barriers to issuing a visa, which provided health and safety certificates, was removed from the visa requirement. (Mashhad visa is eased too)

Iran's Ambassador to Pakistan, in another part of his speech, said that every year during Muharram and safar, increasing demand from the people of Pakistan to travel to Iran's pilgrimage sites and travel to the atabat aliat. The issuance of visas was subject to the rules and regulations of notification And the Iranian embassy in Pakistan and the four consulates in Peshawar, Karachi, Lahore and Quetta have reduced their visa time to two working days by boarding their work.

Iran's ambassador to Pakistan emphasized: At peak hours, around 400-450 visas are issued annually by the Consular Section of the Iranian Embassy in Islamabad for Pakistani pilgrims to Arbaeen this year.

The Embassy and Representative Office of the Iranian Consulate General in Pakistan, two years ago, issued 100,000 visas and 150,000 last year for arbaeen pilgrims, which is expected to increase by 200,000 this year with measures taken.

At the end of his speech, the issuance of visa applications was also an effective step in reducing visa time and saving time for Pakistani citizens.

According to IRNA and according to Iranian embassy officials in Pakistan, since last week about 36 thousand visas for Pakistani pilgrims Those who want to travel to the Atabat aliat in the days of Arbaeen That number was from the Iranian Consulate General in Peshawar 13,500, Karachi 10,500, Lahore 5,000, Quetta 2,500, and Islamabad 4,000 have been issued.

According to statistics, 18,500 Pakistani pilgrims from the 24th of September this year to October 30th entered the territory of the Islamic Republic of Iran through the Mirjawa border crossing.

The arrival of these pilgrims to the Islamic Republic of Iran during this time has been carried out by bus and foot, and the facilities for resting these pilgrims at the border crossing of Mirjawa are foreseen.

Seventy-seven thousand and 744 pilgrims with 176 Pakistani buses and 10,000 pilgrims on foot, arrived in Sirjan and Balouchestan from the border of Mirjawa.

Sistan and Baluchistan is the only way for Pakistan to connect to Central Asia, Europe, as well as Iraq and its heart, Karbala, whose border after the victory of the Islamic Revolution has opened to the pilgrims of Pakistan to reach this heart of the earth and Pakistani pilgrims on the way To reach the destination of the beloved, they step on the territory of Sistan and Baluchistan and spend some nights in this province.

Used google translate. There might be grammatical error, hope it helps you bro.
 
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Disgusting
these scums are abusing sahabas
I hadn't seen this clip. It's ridiculous man. Obviously it is condemned.
Moreover those pilgrims are there for visiting Imam Hosein's holy shrine. What i see, is a silly sound forgery. Why should they say lanat on Rashidun? Isn't it the irony? That's a silly sounding to undermine Sunni presence in Arbaeen.
Tell the guy that provided this stupid clip to try better for the next time. The sound looks to be a teamwork and if you look at the people sitting there, their mouth has not that sign of sound/poem. It means they should try better for the next time.

BTW, Sunnis in Karbala know the truth. Ask them if you could find them, tell them and you will see they are laughing
 
are you calling Caliph Omar the Amirul Momineen a bad ruler? FYI our beloved Prophet was also Arab


Oh but it does allows you to abuse khulfa e Rashideen in your religious gathering
No one is allowed to abuse the companions and family of the holy Prophet (Peace be upon him). Who ever does that is ungrateful & disrespectful person and will earn the wrath of Almighty Allah.
 
Your argument is meaningless, 'cause by your logic Allah is superior to everything else including Islam itself, Islam has come to guide us to God and God is bigger than Islam so we should not hold flag of Islam.

That is exactly what i believe in , Allah is above everything Including Islam , Prophets even Quran itself ..

By this logic the idea of prophethood, Quran and etc would seem unacceptable 'cause God is on the top of everything that include Imam Hussain (as) or Prophet (pbuh) and even Islam itself

Prophets are messengers of Allah appointed by Allah to deliver his message to his Creation , but don't forget Prophets are Allah's creation , and even Prophet Muhammad Pbuh who is sent as a Mercy for Mankind recite Astaghfar and Seeks Allah forgiveness , Now tell me is there anything that Muhammad pbuh did in his life to seek Forgiveness ? but Allah is above and bigger than everything including Muhammad pbuh and Islam , But But that does not mean you don't have to respect Prophet or Prophets, i love and respect Prophet with my heart but i will never ever put anyone on par with Allah , so for me there is no Hussain RA flag or Muhammad pbuh Flag, there is only One flag that is Islam .. Muhammad pbuh bring the message of Islam and Hussain RA died for the same message .. if you have a problem with this than i have nothing else to say you are free to believe or worship anyone you like ..

He didn't die, actually he and his family and companions were martyred to save religion of Allah against tyranny of Yazid and distortion of Islam. As I wrote the narration of Prophet (pbuh) about Imam Hussain (as) you could see how significant Imam Hussain role was regarding Islam. Prophet (pbuh) said "Hussain is from me and I am from him, whomever loves him God would love him " , first part is understandable 'casue Imam Hussain (as) was indeed grandson of Prophet (pbuh) but second part which is the important part needs to be explained. Prophet (pbuh) meant Imam Hussain (as) will revive what I brought as Islam when it was forgotten and distorted. So Prophet (pbuh) brought Islam but it could have been destroyed without Imam Hussain (as).

who deny the respect or importance of Hussain and Hasan RA ? i didn't .. God love people who love prophet but that does not mean you commit shirk while putting Allah and prophet at the same position , we bow ( do Sajda ) to Allah not to Muhammad Pbuh ..
and i disagree with you that Islam would be destroyed without Hussain RA cause again , Allah's faith did not be destroyed , if Islam did not finished After Prophets Death , It was Hussain RA sacrifice that give a new life to Islam and the moral was the same point i am urging here, that Hussain RA refused to bow down to the tyranny and false Caliph except Allah .. he didn't sacrifice his family so his name would remain alive , because his name would even without that sacrifice is far greater than one can imagine .. His act of Sacrifice was for Allah not for himself , you Praise Allah above all , by following the leads of your role model Muhammad Pbuh , His Companions and his grandsons .

And I think Prophet of Islam is bigger than Islam in fact being Muslim without believing in his prophethood has no meaning. as being Muslim without believing in Imam Hussain (as) as Imam has no meaning.
Could you explain Islam minus Prophet (pbuh)?

If by Prophet you mean only Muhammad Pbuh than i disagree, Cause Islam is not a new Religion brought by Muhammad pbuh, It was the continuation of the same message Adam Pbuh bring, and through a chain of Prophets Allah keep deliver these messages to his creation .. the only difference Muhammad pbuh has that he was sent to the whole Mankind , and as source of Mercy but other than that there is no difference in Muhammad , Moses or Esa Pbuh , all are brothers and equal in the eyes of Allah ( i hope so ) .
Islam without Muhammad pbuh would be same as Judaism without Moses pbuh .. Muhammad pbuh was a source of delivering the message , he was blessed by God but not God himself ... don't mixed Islam with Christianity where they believe in divinity of Esa as Jesus as God in flesh or Son of God , our prophet never claim anything of that sort .
 

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