Taimur: Pakistan's ICBM?

[Hassan Guy]

That india is the only threat to Pakistan is the favourite narrative of the friends of uncle sam. It is an illusion created to make Pakistanis feel safe from greater threats. If india was the only threat israel would not have planned to bomb the Pakistani nukes. Matter of fact, india is no threat to Pakistan because india neither has the capabilities to destroy Pakistan without jeopardizing her own existence nor the courage to do irreversible damage to Pakistan.



Pakistani leaders are not up to the challenge. They don't even dare to test an SLV, let alone an ICBM.

lol

 

[Reichsmarschall]

what are the updates?

There is no Shaheen-III.

what is this?

Not really, I don't think our current Missiles have MIRV capability.

we do have em

 

[Safriz]

what are the updates?


what is this?
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we do have em

So denial of Shaheen 3 Written in 2016 and Denial of MIRV written in 2013, both comments proved wrong..
Hmmm
Who knows...more such claims also get proven wrong in near future?

 

[Mahmood-ur-Rehman]

Why we need ICBM? We have no enemy other than india . India is already in our range.

Then what the America is?

Just because Pakistan is assembling the missiles, doesn't mean that the technology is developed in Pakistan. Pakistan hasn't added a single kilometer to the range of the missiles since a decade.
Also, if Pakistan had the basic rocket technology developed for the missiles, it would have been easy to develop it further for SLVs. There is big difference between developing the technology from scratch and just getting it from others. When the technology is developed, there is a complete know-how on the technology and can be further developed and improved.

We have these to burn your ...........

 

[Asian.Century]

While India has one:

 

[AUz]

Pakistan does not really need an ICBM per say..

A submarine-launched 4000km nuclear ballistic missile with MIRV capability serve the same purpose...

Pakistan needs to have a fleet of 4-6 SSBNs along with 3-5 SSKs all armed with nuclear ballistic and cruise missiles. That would be enough to keep the attackers at bay.

 

[LeGenD]

Fans of ICBM need to realize that it is really expensive and won't make any difference. For reference: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...missiles-obsolete.540429/page-7#post-10676390

Pakistan does not really need an ICBM per say..

A submarine-launched 4000km nuclear ballistic missile with MIRV capability serve the same purpose...

Pakistan needs to have a fleet of 4-6 SSBNs along with 3-5 SSKs all armed with nuclear ballistic and cruise missiles. That would be enough to keep the attackers at bay.

Can we afford SSBNs?

UK and France operate 3 x SSBN each and only one is active at a time in their case. Look at the size of their economy in GDP as well. Too expensive.

Babur SLCM is OK for our needs.

 

[denel]

Fans of ICBM need to realize that it is really expensive and won't make any difference. For reference: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...missiles-obsolete.540429/page-7#post-10676390


Can we afford SSBNs?

UK and France operate 3 x SSBN each and only one is active at a time in their case. Look at the size of their economy in GDP as well. Too expensive.

Babur SLCM is OK for our needs.

Not required. You already have Shaheen series/Ababeel + Babur/Raad. Triad is complete.

SSBN are a mother load of a challenge in terms of radiation, fuel maintenance.

 

[Vergennes]

Fans of ICBM need to realize that it is really expensive and won't make any difference. For reference: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...missiles-obsolete.540429/page-7#post-10676390


Can we afford SSBNs?

UK and France operate 3 x SSBN each and only one is active at a time in their case. Look at the size of their economy in GDP as well. Too expensive.

Babur SLCM is OK for our needs.

Both countries actually operate 4 SSBNs. One permanently at sea to ensure the continuity of the nuclear deterrent and launch missiles in case it receive orders from the President or the Prime Minister for the UK. (Hope this never happens though) More can be deployed in case of increased and serious tensions.


If you want some figures,France spends about €3 to €4 billion each years to maintain its nuclear deterrent force and its two components. (air and naval)

This figure is set to double in the coming years to €6 billion. Having a nuclear deterrent also means keeping it up to date. France will have to spend €37 billion on the next seven years alone to upgrade its nuclear arsenal. The UK is also spending a huge amount of money to update its only naval component. Maintaining such a force require large funds,which Pakistan doesn't have. Let alone about operating 4-6 SSBNs and other fantasies.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

A lot of stories are circulating regarding Pakistan's Ballistic Missile capabilities, designations such as Hatf, Shaheen, Ghauri and Babur have virtually become house hold names, but others such as Tipu and Taimur have also have been mentioned in certain circles particularly Taimur, which was even mentioned by Rumsfeld Commission.
Smoke screen or a raging fire. ?

http://www.daily.pk/Pakistans-nuclear-arsenal-is-expanding-faster-than-any-other-nations9780/-

Hatf is code name Hatf 1 to Hatf 8 and so on.
Shaheen and Ghaur are Series of Solid and Liquid fueled Blastic Missiles
Babur and Raad are Cruise Missiles

And Tipu is according to fee sources 4000 km Ballistic Missile while Taimur is 7000 km (no one knows if they are myth of real but they have been mentioned by many sources especially Taimur)

Other than that there is mention of a 9k and 12k range missiles but no names...

 

[Armchair]

So, this is my speculation that the subs from China will include 2 SSBNs built loosely on the basis of the same platform. I would imagine they will be armed with something at least with 4000 km range.

 

[Sifar zero]

Avertissement de redirection

 

[Sifar zero]

Army Strategic Forces Command (ASFC) * SUPARCO

Pakistan began developed its first SLV in 1998. On March 2001, Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan announced that Pakistani scientists were in the process of building the country's first Satellite Launch Vehicle (SLV) and that the project had been assigned to SUPARCO. Dr. Abdul Majid, then-chairman of SUPARCO, confirmed Dr. Khan's statement and said " Pakistan envision a low-cost SLV and Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) in order to launch light-weight satellite into low-earth orbits. Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan also added that" Pakistan has very robust IRBMs which can launch geostationary orbiting satellites. During the IDEAS 2002 defense exhibition Pakdef spotted two similar models of Pakistani Satellite Launch Vehicles. The first model points out a possible three stage of Satellite Launch Vehicle (SLV). Judging from other similar SLV's, it is estimated that it can place a payload weighing around 80-100 kilogram to an orbit 450-490 kilometers above Earth's surface. However the exact data remains unknown. The second model of the SLV seems similar to the first model however, with four extra boosters ( ? Abdali). Pakistan successfully test-fired in four times a Shaheen-2 surface-to-surface ballistic missile. It has a range of 2,700 kilometres. It were the first test flights of the two stage solid-fuel Shaheen-2. The Shaheen-2 is the longest-range missile tested by Pakistan so far. Shaheen-2 is not an advanced version of Shaheen-1, which has a range of 700 kilometres. It is reported that the Shaheen 1 and 2 missiles have been developed by the Pakistan National Defence Complex (PNDC) with assistance from SUPARCO, the Pakistan space research organisation, and from the Atomic Energy Commission. The Shaheen-1 (Hatf-4) is probably a copy of China's M-9 export-missile. The Shaheen-2 (Haft-6) is probably a copy of China's two-stage export-missile M-18. The Shaheen-2 uses like the M-18, two aerospace solid rocket motors developed by China Hexi Chemical & Mechanical Company. A relevant motor for the first stage is the L-SpaB-140B with diameter of 1.40 m. The future space launch vehicle Taimoor (three stage solid-fuel, diam. 1.40 m) can transport a little scientific payload in a Low Earth Orbit. Meanwhile, a new Shaheen-III successfully tested in 2015. It is an improved Shaheen-2 with an about 1.7 m stretched first stage. Thus also an increased performance of a satellite-launcher would be possible.

Old models of Pakistani space launchers​

Pakistan have a Space Launch Vehicle !

2017, January 24 -- Pakistan has reported the test-launch of a new missile called "Ababeel". The published images documented that is a Shaheen-III missile, on which was added a solid third stage. A fourth stage (space tug) is likely.
As a result, Pakistan now has a SLV for the transport of orbital payloads. The Ababeel (Taimoor) is very similar to the Chinese Kuaizhou-1A. It is composed of a Shaheen-III with the two upper stages of the KZ-1A. The performance of the Taimoor corresponds approximately to the Israeli Shavit-2.

2018, January 30 -- Allegedly on this day a second launch has been made, which have failed.

The fairing has a white color !​

 

[arjunk]

We will not test or reveal any ICBM until and unless we have any valid threat outside Shaheen-III's range. We already have Israel and India in range and that's already made uncle sam pissy.

 

[Zarvan]

We will not test or reveal any ICBM until and unless we have any valid threat outside Shaheen-III's range. We already have Israel and India in range and that's already made uncle sam pissy.

Sorry to differ, but the moment we come out of grey list of FATF. Pakistan should test ICBM if it's ready. USA and NATO are already a threat, and we need take precautionary measures against them.