Petraeus: US would destroy Russia’s troops if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine

[Abid123]

I agree, this week or the next, we might see Tactical nuke on Ukrainian Bridge formations..

What makes you say that?

 

[ARMalik]

US Generals are Such Bull-shitters ! It is the other way around -Putin will eat you alive. Putin has just started, and this will end really badly for the Yanks and its LGBT supporters.

 

[maverick1977]

What makes you say that?

Massive retreat by Russian forces on all fronts... They are not able to hold on to ukranian advance, unable to hold lines. 3 retreats in 1 week. the Scale Ukranian are moving in and decimating Russian army, Russia can possibly resort to Tactical nuke to hold a line.

 

[gambit]

To the best of my knowledge, technology is not really a problem. The problem is fuel. North korea, for instance is not really a very technologically advanced country, nor it is really rich and they alone built a 100 kt device and possibly several bombs. If and when there are few countries willing to co-operate, it will allow them to build the weapons.
The only way they can be stopped if others control fuel really really hard. But if enough countries are willing to violate NPT and FMCT, there is no stopping the development of weapons in a number of countries.

Technology is a problem. The reason why NKR is able to have a nuclear weapons program is because NKR have Chinese assistance and financially focused, meaning get the nukes at the expense of everything else. But this only make NKR nominally a nuclear weapons state. The weapons program is not sustainable in the long term because of (a) dependency on someone else and (b) nationally poor. Iraq had a better chance of being a sustainable nuclear weapons state because of oil revenue.

Russia is the threat that may bring forth many new nuclear weapon countries. Any country with some russian population and a pro-democracy government will feel threatened if Russia explodes nukes on ukraine.

The alternative is to have mutual defense agreements. As of now, it is too early to tell, but the 'could' or 'possible' here is that instead of the world having new nuclear weapons states, Russia inadvertently helped create more alliances lead by a few nuclear weapons states. There is no guarantee that there will not be rogue states who will pursue their own defense paths, but again, that lead back to the main issues of being technologically sophisticated and nationally wealthy enough to get out on one's own.

Presently, there is not even promissory note. Russia does not have a policy of not using those weapons against a non nuclear state. Neither does USA. Only thing that had prevented violation of NPT was possible economic sanctions. If those become weak and they will become weak if sufficient nations go rogue as far as NPT is concerned then NPT is dead.

I analogized the Russian military to that of a mechanic whose skills consists of only knowing how to do an oil change but anything more difficult, take the 'nuclear' option, aka scrap the motor. Everyone, including non-US allied, know that the US has the conventional capability to take on anyone with greater than 50/50 odds beat them. In other words, we have the know-how to repair every aspect of the motor. While that is not an official promissory note from our part, that knowledge constitutes a sort of promise that if you piss US off, we will only kick down your door instead of bulldozing your house. From that perspective, the US is a better alternative than Russia, and if you chose to go nuclear, then we will have that bulldozer readied.

 

[jhungary]

Massive retreat by Russian forces on all fronts... They are not able to hold on to ukranian advance, unable to hold lines. 3 retreats in 1 week. the Scale Ukranian are moving in and decimating Russian army, Russia can possibly resort to Tactical nuke to hold a line.

It would be stupid to nuke Ukrainian Brigade formation.

First of all, their brigade is separated and spacing out, you seldom see 2 brigades move in the same direction, the battlespace is too far to have tactical nuke effective. On the other hand, it does not change anything if you eliminate 2 Brigade on a 10 Brigade front. There are 10 brigades on the frontline in Kherson, 19 on Kharkiv/Luhansk, and then there are around 10 in reserve somewhere they can use and redeployed. Nuke, unless you use enmass, probably would not have done much, and if you do use enmass, that will be very likely to tick the NATO off. You can't use say five 20kn device and not expect NATO intervene.

Second of all, nuke will blow back to their own line if you use it on the frontline brigade, you really can't escape the nuke if and when used, and they can't pull back say 10km in one day to get out of blast zone.

 

[maverick1977]

It would be stupid to nuke Ukrainian Brigade formation.

First of all, their brigade is separated and spacing out, you seldom see 2 brigades move in the same direction, the battlespace is too far to have tactical nuke effective. On the other hand, it does not change anything if you eliminate 2 Brigade on a 10 Brigade front. There are 10 brigades on the frontline in Kherson, 19 on Kharkiv/Luhansk, and then there are around 10 in reserve somewhere they can use and redeployed. Nuke, unless you use enmass, probably would not have done much, and if you do use enmass, that will be very likely to tick the NATO off. You can't use say five 20kn device and not expect NATO intervene.

Second of all, nuke will blow back to their own line if you use it on the frontline brigade, you really can't escape the nuke if and when used, and they can't pull back say 10km in one day to get out of blast zone.

i am sure experts know how to use it... 5000 men bridage companies spread around, sure will concentrate... Ukranian brigades are working in rotation, month deployed and a month rest. ...

 

[jhungary]

i am sure experts know how to use it... 5000 men bridage companies spread around, sure will concentrate... Ukranian brigades are working in rotation, month deployed and a month rest. ...

If your idea of "Nuke" means Nuclear Artillery, you may as well stick with TOS-1, thermobaric weapon works a lot better than sub-kiloton munition, it's more effective.

I was talking about kilo-ton nuke, between 5 to 20.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

If your idea of "Nuke" means Nuclear Artillery, you may as well stick with TOS-1, thermobaric weapon works a lot better than sub-kiloton munition, it's more effective.

I was talking about kilo-ton nuke, between 5 to 20.

TOS-2 is more mobile. TOS-1A is sort of like M270. TOS-2 is sort of like HIMARS.

 

[Abid123]

It would be stupid to nuke Ukrainian Brigade formation.

First of all, their brigade is separated and spacing out, you seldom see 2 brigades move in the same direction, the battlespace is too far to have tactical nuke effective. On the other hand, it does not change anything if you eliminate 2 Brigade on a 10 Brigade front. There are 10 brigades on the frontline in Kherson, 19 on Kharkiv/Luhansk, and then there are around 10 in reserve somewhere they can use and redeployed. Nuke, unless you use enmass, probably would not have done much, and if you do use enmass, that will be very likely to tick the NATO off. You can't use say five 20kn device and not expect NATO intervene.

Second of all, nuke will blow back to their own line if you use it on the frontline brigade, you really can't escape the nuke if and when used, and they can't pull back say 10km in one day to get out of blast zone.

Nobody is going to intervene even if Russia nukes all of Ukraine into stone age. Even if the radiation spreads to other countries. Which it will.

 

[jhungary]

Nobody is going to intervene even if Russia nukes all of Ukraine into stone age. Even if the radiation spreads to other countries. Which it will.

Sure, whatever you say, dear

 

[Abid123]

Sure, whatever you say, dear

People like you are the ones that think that Russia destroyed the Nord Stream lol.

 

[jhungary]

People like you are the ones that think that Russia destroyed the Nord Stream lol.

Yes, whatever you say, dear

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Anglos love nukes. Ruskies not having it.

 

[BHAN85]

If Eurasian countries blow up each other, USA just would watch it and will make a party to celebrate it.

 

[nahtanbob]

Nobody is going to intervene even if Russia nukes all of Ukraine into stone age. Even if the radiation spreads to other countries. Which it will.

say what you want ... you are not in charge of making decisions