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Pakistan Navy capable of blocking Strait of Hormuz?

For all your talk the reality is your military is not even as capable as the russians. Even the russians are leaps and bounds ahead of india yet are getting spanked on daily basis by Ukraine.
Russian soldiers were told it's "just a training exercise vro" and dropped in Ukraine without proper logistics or aim. The initial force formed nice long convoys to march to Kiev and were sitting ducks to Ukrainian drones and UCAVs. Then you had Russian armor just randomly being left somewhere due to lack of fuel. Then tanks charging up to strongholds without infantry support, these were easy targets for ATAGMs.
The Russian special forces VDV were the most competent they had and they para dropped them inside Ukraine without any support and logistical base (Hostomel), guess what these soldiers had couple of initial success till getting mowed down by numerically and logistical superior Ukrainian forces. The idea was to conquer Ukraine and Kiev within "3 days or within a week" and Russians expected little to no resistance.
Initial units thought they were going into a training exercise smh they still claim its "Special military operation". Now they want to keep the trained units in reserve and use newly barely trained conscripts ( men barely trained for a week are given a gun and sent to front lines) to serve as cannon fodder to thin Ukrainian forces and strongholds.
Conscription offices are being attacked, the enlistment officers are found dead in various circumstances like suicide, the general populace is beginning to comprehend the human losses and what a shitshow the operation is, Hundreds of thousands already left Russia and people in Russia are trying to escape enlistment.
Their black sea flagship Moskova is at the bottom of the sea by a country which lacks a navy.
Oliogarchs are ending up dead left and rich inside and outside Russia whenever Putin thinks they have served their use or speak against the operation. The money meant for maintenance and army already ended up inside someone's pocket this kleptocracy they had shows the results in their equipment and lack of effectiveness. The high brass thought they could steamroll Ukraine within 3 days.
Tell me how successful the operation has been?
 
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someone resurrected a brain fart from the past.
The GCC and Iran aren't just going to let Pakistan block the strait.
And in case you've forgotten the US has six military bases in the region Oman plus UAE.
I think you need to read again or simply get better glasses. Pakistan will ONLY stop Indian bound oil ships.

Why would Iran and GCC not accept that? Do you think Pakistan gives a fu*k if any country in the region care or not? Tell me ony country in the region that is willing to absorb thermonuclear warheads on its major cities?

"And in case you've forgotten the US has six military bases in the region Oman plus UAE".

That is good. But you do know that you can't use those bases without the permission of the UAE and Oman government. In such a scenario they are not going to allow you to use those bases. If the US even dares to shoot a fire cracker on Pakistani forces blockading the strait of Hormuz. Pakistan will retaliate by blowing those bases you are talking about to the ground. Not by ballistic missiles but by tactical nukes. This will ensure total annihilation of the bases with no hope of survivors.
 
I think you need to read again or simply get better glasses. Pakistan will ONLY stop Indian bound oil ships.

Why would Iran and GCC not accept that? Do you think Pakistan gives a fu*k if any country in the region care or not? Tell me ony country in the region that is willing to absorb thermonuclear warheads on its major cities?

"And in case you've forgotten the US has six military bases in the region Oman plus UAE".

That is good. But you do know that you can't use those bases without the permission of the UAE and Oman government. In such a scenario they are not going to allow you to use those bases. If the US even dares to shoot a fire cracker on Pakistani forces blockading the strait of Hormuz. Pakistan will retaliate by blowing those bases you are talking about to the ground. Not by ballistic missiles but by tactical nukes. This will ensure total annihilation of the bases with no hope of survivors.
I doubt the US will even protect Indian ships at all.

And the Arabian states probably won't either, but even if they did, Pakistan militarily and diplomatically could tank it.

Real problem Pakistan faces is a lack of brains and balls in the leadership.
 
I have heard more and more talk from Pakistan Navy officials about acquiring enough naval capability to be able to selectively blockade Strait of Hormuz essentially choking India of vital fuel supplies in case of war.

If you look at the geography, it seems very plausible that PN will be able to impose a very effective blockade.
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With the development of Gwadar port, the ability to blockade the strait seems more and more possible.
It will be very hard for Indian navy to operate in an area where 13 submarines are lurking and JF-17's armed with CM-400AKG will be on constant patrol.

Once HQ-9 is acquired, Pakistan's writ on the area will be strengthened even more as it will be very hard to send aircraft against P-3C Orions when the area will be covered by HQ-9 missiles.

The only but vital precaution PN will have to take will be to ensure that Strait of Hormuz stays open to normal International shipping, otherwise oil prices will skyrocket and the whole world will be pissed at us. Military intelligence will have to play a very important role in this regard.

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tall claim if not laughable.. because doing so will mean it will have to go past the American fight fleet and also allocate its limited naval assets to make the blockade effective. meaning it will leave its own waters to a reduced force to defend against an advanced and much bigger Indian force.
 
I doubt the US will even protect Indian ships at all.

And the Arabian states probably won't either, but even if they did, Pakistan militarily and diplomatically could tank it.

Real problem Pakistan faces is a lack of brains and balls in the leadership.

Exactly. US even today backs pak significantly to the detriment of india. US plays the long game. They know pak will benefit them against india in future.

Indians are a pathetic breed. Ask yourself, US refused to go to war against pak even when many troops died in cross border attacks. You think US would risk war with a nuclear armed country with a population of 200+ million?

No one in the world gives $$$ for free yet pak continues to rely on bailouts from ksa and uae. Why? Because pak pretty much gaurantees their security. If tomorrow pak destroyed there ships or even hit bases neither the west nor gcc would do crap other than condemn it lol
 
Exactly. US even today backs pak significantly to the detriment of india. US plays the long game. They know pak will benefit them against india in future.

Indians are a pathetic breed. Ask yourself, US refused to go to war against pak even when many troops died in cross border attacks. You think US would risk war with a nuclear armed country with a population of 200+ million?
Not to protect Indian interests lol, if it's a war between Pakistan and India I heavily doubt it's going to get involved beyond diplomatic statements.

The only use US sees in India, is by indirectly benefiting their own interests. Which could be in the form of challenging China.

But they don't care enough to physically protect India during war.

You think US would risk war with a nuclear armed country with a population of 200+ million?
US think tanks themselves have admitted a direct conflict is out of the question.

But they explore options of incting a Pashtun and Baloch civil war. (TTP and BLA are small-scale versions of this essentially)

 
It seems PN is expanding rapidly. But for this strategy submarines will be essential to offset India's numerical advantage.
We could do with long range satellite guided drones armed with Baburs, that would be good enough against any enemy.
 
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I think you need to read again or simply get better glasses. Pakistan will ONLY stop Indian bound oil ships.

Why would Iran and GCC not accept that? Do you think Pakistan gives a fu*k if any country in the region care or not? Tell me ony country in the region that is willing to absorb thermonuclear warheads on its major cities?

"And in case you've forgotten the US has six military bases in the region Oman plus UAE".

That is good. But you do know that you can't use those bases without the permission of the UAE and Oman government. In such a scenario they are not going to allow you to use those bases. If the US even dares to shoot a fire cracker on Pakistani forces blockading the strait of Hormuz. Pakistan will retaliate by blowing those bases you are talking about to the ground. Not by ballistic missiles but by tactical nukes. This will ensure total annihilation of the bases with no hope of survivors.

you say Pakistan is going to nuke Iran and US bases in UAE,Saudi and Oman. LMFAO, you need to share the love and toss a few at Sri Lanka, India, China and Bangladesh - why discriminate?

you do know Iran considers any hindrance to shipping via Strait of Hormuz by any nation an act of war. Iranian Prime Minister Hoveida said "the Strait of Hormuz is “our jugular vein,” April 1959. Iran themselves tried to blockade the strait in the 1980's during the Iraq-Iran war and got spanked real hard by the US Navy - read about operation praying mantis.

here are some facts for you:

- 20% of global oil supplies transits the strait each year, any disruption will cause oil prices to spike impacting the global economy.
- India imports 48 billion Dollars worth of oil via the strait each year. You think your Arab friends will be happy about losing 48 Billion $s of exports?
- Ships carrying cargo to India is unlikely to fly an Indian flag will Pakistan sink vessels belonging to a third country? What if a Chinese vessel is transporting crude to India will Pakistan sink it? Pre-Galwan, India routinely used Chinese vessels to deliver crude to India.
- Pakistan navy can't blockade a small atoll far from its shores. Blockading the strait of hormuz 800 miles away for months with inadequate fleet oilers or resupply vessels is sheer fantasy.
- India produces enough crude within its borders to meet the needs of its military so a blockade is not going to effect its war fighting ability.
- India holds strategic reserves of crude in the US. Is Pakistan going to block the strait of Malacca?
 
Pakistan will retaliate by blowing those bases you are talking about to the ground. Not by ballistic missiles but by tactical nukes. This will ensure total annihilation of the bases with no hope of survivors.

Perfect, you'll exchange a whole country Pakistan for a few bases if the U.S. retaliates with its nukes.
 
It doesn't need to. A pack of surface to sea missiles can wipe out civilian ships. We saw similar in the Iran-Iraq war.

Indian ships can just sail by the martime areas of Oman. And Oman is a neutral country.
 
If India normally receives 70-80% of its crude oil through this route, then this will be ideal place to stop the most important commodity.
Most of the ships transporting oil for India are from other countries and they fly flags of those countries. Does PN have enough clout and resources to intercept each and every ship? Unlikely.

India currently has approx 10 days worth of oil under strategic reserve. Indian refineries maintain a crude reserve of 64 days. Total reserve available is for 74 days. That is a phenomenal capability.

Even if Pakistan attempts such a blockade India would have enough time to find a military solution to such a blockade within few days. More so considering reach of IN vs reach of PN. All this while Indian wheel will keep moving with the oil reserves.

Diplomatically Middle East, Iran and US would also be against any such attempt by Paksiatn.


Far fetched theory but impractical and likely to fail emphatically.
 
Most of the ships transporting oil for India are from other countries and they fly flags of those countries. Does PN have enough clout and resources to intercept each and every ship? Unlikely.

India currently has approx 10 days worth of oil under strategic reserve. Indian refineries maintain a crude reserve of 64 days. Total reserve available is for 74 days. That is a phenomenal capability.

Even if Pakistan attempts such a blockade India would have enough time to find a military solution to such a blockade within few days. More so considering reach of IN vs reach of PN. All this while Indian wheel will keep moving with the oil reserves.

Diplomatically Middle East, Iran and US would also be against any such attempt by Paksiatn.


Far fetched theory but impractical and likely to fail emphatically.

If We'd be talking about Gulf of Aden / Red sea then it would have been a far fetched theory. But we are talking about Strait of Hormuz. Its geography makes it extremely easy for PN to do this.

In every previous engagement PN never had capability to do so because of below reasons:
- Had only a single base Karachi and No naval base at western side of the coast.
- Only had a single or couple submarines and few warships with no missile capability.

Now Gwadar & Ormara bases can easily send a couple of corvettes or a submarine just 100 miles to do the job.

The "military" solution you are talking about will cost india a lot. India would require sending a much more massive fleet and hence would require to divide its forces to do this job. Also entire strait of Hormuz is under air cover of PAF fleet and that's enormous advantage.
 
If We'd be talking about Gulf of Aden / Red sea then it would have been a far fetched theory. But we are talking about Strait of Hormuz. Its geography makes it extremely easy for PN to do this.

In every previous engagement PN never had capability to do so because of below reasons:
- Had only a single base Karachi and No naval base at western side of the coast.
- Only had a single or couple submarines and few warships with no missile capability.

Now Gwadar & Ormara bases can easily send a couple of corvettes or a submarine just 100 miles to do the job.

The "military" solution you are talking about will cost india a lot. India would require sending a much more massive fleet and hence would require to divide its forces to do this job. Also entire strait of Hormuz is under air cover of PAF fleet and that's enormous advantage.

Not even now..

PN navy has no solution to protect against brahmos with 600km range..PN surface ships are not much equipped with enough SAM systems, mostly will be used for defensive and protect the own EEZ and maritime boundry with back by PAF.

Mostly, PN submarines will be used for offensive operations... If IN will try to blockade the sea routes
 
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I think you need to read again or simply get better glasses. Pakistan will ONLY stop Indian bound oil ships.

Why would Iran and GCC not accept that? Do you think Pakistan gives a fu*k if any country in the region care or not? Tell me ony country in the region that is willing to absorb thermonuclear warheads on its major cities?

"And in case you've forgotten the US has six military bases in the region Oman plus UAE".

That is good. But you do know that you can't use those bases without the permission of the UAE and Oman government. In such a scenario they are not going to allow you to use those bases. If the US even dares to shoot a fire cracker on Pakistani forces blockading the strait of Hormuz. Pakistan will retaliate by blowing those bases you are talking about to the ground. Not by ballistic missiles but by tactical nukes. This will ensure total annihilation of the bases with no hope of survivors.
Yeah, that's not going to happen. Pakistan military, specifically the ones who control the country, are defanged and on the US payroll. It would be best if you had balls for what you're saying, and Pakistan hasn't nor the brains to do that. Like many people, I was under the illusion that we would wreck the region in case Jeet attacks, but Nah. Pakistan is the South Asian version of Egypt. The corrupt westernized elite rules the country and ensures it stays subservient to the regional enemy because uncle Sam throws money at this elite to keep everyone else down. These guys are incapable of thinking that strategically - hell, they continue to walk around with that pimp stick like they are colonial viceroys doing the bidding of the Gora sahib. All points to this. Just glad I'm not asleep anymore.

btw, I'm to the right of the most right-wing Pakistani. It pains me to say the above.
 
Even if Pakistan Navy would be militarily capable of blocking strait of Hormuz, the entire western world, GCC and Iran would on you, even if its just for 'Indian Ships' ! Too much global money invested in these routes
 

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